Possibly solved the mystery of the compass

Yes. I mean he's not lying to her about the compass. The whole "Will's gone but it's not my fault" is of course a lie. I was just referring to the compass.

I get what your saying but in that scene when Jack gives here the compass he already has to change what she wanted the most(to save Will) into finding the chest of Davy Jones, in the commentary T&T kind of say that, and then in the scene where it points to Jack one of the writers say that it probably only pointed to him for a second which is true because it does go back to pointing the chest.

I think if Liz wanted Jack and to find the chest then the compass would have started spinning like it was when Jack held it

^^ I get what you're saying, murphy83.

In Isla del Cruces, The compass pointed at Jack at first, then when she dropped it on the ground, it pointed to the chest. It was still in Liz posession until another person picks it up and is now in control of the compass.

The compass finally pointed to the chest as in like maybe wanting to save Will and not to deal with wanting Jack. The compass was starting to get whaky like the way it was doing it to Jack.

maybe i am stupid but i was thinking about this whole compass thing and suddenly one thing came to my mind...and it´s - couldn´t the compas point to the FREEDOM ??? ...I don´t know but it makes sense to me...T&T said that the compass in the whole three movies points to the one thing... it seems very interesting to me...ehat the thing it could be ??...and i think it in fact could be the freedom - In CotBP it pointed to Isla de Muarta coz that time it meant freedom for jack...then in DMC Gibbs said something like it hasn´t worked since they left Port Royal because that time Jack wasn´t sure what the freedom presents now because he felt something to Elizabeth but he didn´t want to admit it and he didn´t want to feel something he felt "unusual" 🙂 then when Elizabeth had it in her hands , Jack tell her it points to the thing you want most in this world...yeah because he thought or knew that she wants freedom and also save will by finding the chest of davy jones-kind of freedom to save someone from something you give him a freedom...and then when liz holds it second time on the deck and it points to Jack...it means that time freedom for her that maybe JAck is her freedom or he represents freedom for her...and in the end in the longboat Jack holds it (when he is trying to escape , he thinks "yeah now i will be free"😉 but then he looks at the compass and at first he is surprised but then...then he smiles yeah now he knows his freedom isn´t "coward escape" or freedom as being totally free without any feelings to other people but there , now , he understands that his freedom is being a good man , he understands he has to do the right thing , his freedom now isn´t the Pearl but being a good man...and perhaps to have a feelings to other people to have a relationship...to have a woman , only one woman , who Jack could truly love - that IS also kind of freedom...and after all on the deck in the end Jack told Gibbs "She´s only the ship , mate !" it doeasn´t represent the freedom for him anymore...now it´s something else...(or somebody,I hope 😛 ) ...
I think it makes sense...And btw T&T said mm..something like...AWE is examination what the pirate really is and how free he can be ..and then we finally find out why jack had to die and why elizabeth did what she did .... or something like that ... god i don´t know where it is ...but we had it here ... try to find this article and check it ....i think you remember ....it´s interesting ...
I know maybe my theory has some deficiencies but i can imagine it that the compass somehow points to the freedom...

Would you say it points to freedom even if a character has convinced him/herself they want something more? Also, they could view something as giving them freedom when in fact it might not.

But an intangible idea also brings up the same problems of does the compass point the way to get what you want, the means to get what you want or just a symbolic interpretation of what you want?

I've been reviewing the quotes from the writers about the compass. Ted flat out states that the compass only points to material objects. Which does and doesn't make sense in some respects. The compass was pointing at the chest the whole time, but the only thing that matters is where the owner of the compass thinks it's pointing.

On the other hand, if it only points at material objects, then how do you explain the way it wobbled back and forth for Jack in the beginning of the film. He wanted to find the chest, or at least some sort of solution to his problem, yes. But then, that discounts the theory entirely that it was pointing towards Elizabeth in Port Royale. Unless of course, Jack thinks of Elizabeth as a treasure. Not all treasure is silver and gold.

I don't like the compass 🙂

*pulls hair*

again, i have a headache and now after trying to read this thread now i have a migrane! 🙁

"On the other hand, if it only points at material objects, then how do you explain the way it wobbled back and forth for Jack in the beginning of the film. He wanted to find the chest, or at least some sort of solution to his problem, yes. But then, that discounts the theory entirely that it was pointing towards Elizabeth in Port Royale. Unless of course, Jack thinks of Elizabeth as a treasure. Not all treasure is silver and gold."-----savvysparrow

Only points to material things? That makes no sense at all. "It shows you what you want most in this world....but only if you can see it and touch it! So if you want world peace, forget about it!" Honestly, they should have extended the scene where Jack explains it just to make sure the audience got it. Only material things? The writers have blatantly stated in the commentary it wavers towards Elizabeth when Jack holds it, so that can't be true. People aren't material objects.

Another point, if it only pointed to material objects, why would Jack have to change what Elizabeth wants to make sure she wants the chest? If it can't point to Will anyway, it won't take much convincing to get it to point to the chest.

but if it point to will then jack would never get the chest so he had to convince liz to want the chest so they could go get it. jack used her to his advantage on that one

That's what I'm saying. If there was no way on earth it could point to people, he wouldn't have to convince her to have it point to the chest. Do you see? It wouldn't have taken as much convincing on his part because he had to convince her she wanted the chest and not Will. If he knew it couldn't point to Will anyway, there was no reason to change what she really wanted.

wait wait wait, i just got into this thread, now how are u figuring that the compass doesnt point to people?

oh i get it my bad willo! 😮

Someone earlier said that the compass points only to material objects, which I have to disagree with. The writers make it perfectly obvious in the commentary that it can in fact point to people.

yea, i was going to say, nowhere does it say or prove that it only point to material objects only

Savvysparrow cites the writers saying that, but I don't think they're right in their own story.

That's why I always say I love 'em and respect 'em, but I'm not a suck up to 'em 😉.

Only material things sounds silly to me. I didn't know Liz was a walking material.

lol^^

materials does sound a bit silly.

it is what you want most (noun), a person, place or thing.

Originally posted by willofthewisp

Only points to material things? That makes no sense at all. "It shows you what you want most in this world....but only if you can see it and touch it! So if you want world peace, forget about it!" Honestly, they should have extended the scene where Jack explains it just to make sure the audience got it. Only material things? The writers have blatantly stated in the commentary it wavers towards Elizabeth when Jack holds it, so that can't be true. People aren't material objects.

Another point, if it only pointed to material objects, why would Jack have to change what Elizabeth wants to make sure she wants the chest? If it can't point to Will anyway, it won't take much convincing to get it to point to the chest.

I swear I'm not making this up. It's one of the posts on word player. I have it saved somewhere. I'll try to dig it up. But I think it's a load of crock because how would they explain Jack's weeble wobbling compass? Other than it doesn't matter so much where the compass was pointing, but rather where Jack thought it pointed.