Ok, I took a break from the forum. I come back, and I see that more fun stuff has been put up. I had to think about whether or not to respond to any of it, but it's not in my nature to let a good debate go by. Willo, I hope you don't mind, but I shall commence to counter your points and add a few of my own. 😄
One writer said that there was never a love triangle, the other has said that the triangle has been resolved by the end of DMC.
Therefore, it is logical to conclude that the ending will be W/E. Why?
aside from the beginning, where she protects Will from Norrington, what else of Elizabeth's actions show how she feels about Will? I'm covering Elizabeth's actions because we've already covered that Will would die for her.
-- Talking about the proposal with the maid. Obviously the maid knows that Elizabeth likes Will. How could she know this, unless there has been interaction between them before, or unless Elizabeth has spoken before (and probably often) of Will.
-- Taking Will's name when she goes aboard the Pearl. The writers have even said this is her testing the name out, like how girls doodle out "Mrs. Will Turner" into their notebooks.
-- Her refusal to tell Barbossa Will's name or where he is located. She is not going to give up Will. Would you do that for just a crush? Would you square off with an undead pirate and his crew just for some person you barely know?
--Elizabeth drops everything in the middle of battle to try to free Will from below-decks. She is nearly killed because she blocks everything out for Will.
-- Watch her face after the Interceptor blows up. She is utterly, absolutely devestated. Watch her reaction to Barbossa when she thinks Will is dead. Watch her face when Will shows up.
-- Elizabeth's desperate attempt to get off the island. She risked both herself and Jack to burn the rum, the food, the shade...to go after Will.
-- Elizabeth agrees to marry James...to save Will.
-- Elizabeth leaves the Dauntless, and frees the crew of the Pearl. Why? Not because she really likes them; she needs their help...to save Will.
-- She distracts Norrington so that Will can do what he needs to in order to save Jack.
-- She stands in between James and Will. Then, she is concerned when James seems to be calling Will out.
-- She kisses Will. I never saw a problem with the kiss, and after watching it numerous times over today, I still don't. It's a slow, gentle, romantic kiss. I'm not sure at all how else it should have been played, because anything else would have been grossly out of place.
It really feels more like this criticism is meant to undermine the W/E ship simply because there is very little else you could do to attack it. No offence, Willo. I just can't see a problem with the kiss that makes you dislike it so much, except that it's W/E and not J/E.
Need more?
In DMC, Elizabeth:
-- Wants to marry Will.
-- Runs away from her father to go warn Will that Beckett is going to try to kill him. ( I would mention the papers here as well, but everyone gets huffy on the matter if Liz is just taking them for herself. 😛 )
-- Commandeers a ship to go to Tortuga, because she knows that's where Will went first.
-- Goes to Jack and says she wants to find the man she loves. Then she demands to know where Will is. It is in this moment that you can hear how tired she is, how drained. All she wants is to find Will. She WANTS Will.
-- She allows herself to want the chest most in the world and uses the compass thusly. It wavers only once; on the Pearl. The writers have even stated that on the beach, it never stops pointing to the chest, she just can't figure out where it is.
-- She lights up when she sees Will. She throws her arms around him and hugs him tight. Then she kisses him and clings to him. Relief, joy, complete happiness...that is what she shows in that scene. Then she remains connected to Will, until she finds out Jack betrayed Will.
-- She runs to Will when Norrington throws him down. She's obviously worried about him, but then she gets mad because he asks her to guard the chest when she feels that there are other important issues at hand.
-- Even though she's annoyed with Will, she goes after the chest, because Will asked her to guard it. She certainly didn't need it, so why would she even bother with it?
-- She sees Will slumped over the boat, and she immediately forgets the battle (again) in order to try to revive him. Jack has to remind her that they're in dire straights, otherwise she would have been totally focused on Will.
-- She is still beside Will when he wakes up on the Pearl. The writers said a good amount of time has passed, so she's probably been beside him the whole time. Then when he wakes up she gently eases his head off the deck, touches his forehead where he has that scar from DJ's crew, and she helps him to stand.
-- She will NOT shoot Will. She won't do it. She knows she should, he's even telling her that she should, but she won't do it. She can't do it. Jack has to do it for her, and I think that's part of why she's clinging onto him so much; because if it goes badly, she'll need someone to hold onto while her world is destroyed.
-- She kisses another man and chains him up -- to save Will.
Is that enough? Almost everything she does is for Will. Sure, she flirted with Jack...but does flirting mean that everything she feels for Will is gone? Obviously not, since she is willing to risk everything to save him.
The last example I have is from At World's End. It could be a good-bye kiss, but man...they are in the middle of a battle, they could die at any second, the ship is being pummelled by waves and they forget about everything to kiss.
That's the third time they've kissed and basically ignored everything happening around them. I cannot honestly figure out how anyone could say that Elizabeth has no feelings for Will, when it seems quite obvious that she does.
And if it is only that she promised to watch over him...don't you think she went to quite a few extremes in order to fulfill that particular vow?
No, when the writer says that there is no love triangle, what he's saying is that there is no Jack and Elizabeth.
This concludes this part of my long-winded essay. Part two will be up later, wherein I shall discuss J/E and their relationship, and how it does not remotely add up to love (at least on Elizabeth's part).