Originally posted by Mr Master
Perhaps White Phoenix of the Crown but no other incarnation of Phoenix has had more Phoenix power than Rachel.The actual Phoenix Force (Avatar-less) tells Rachel,
[B]"ALL I have become, You ARE Too"
"My Essence is Bonded to Your Spirit, the Burden of Power, will be YOURS"The Phoenix Force itself (Avatar-less) told Rachel,
"You are the ONE TRUE PHOENIX"Actually Galactus's was NEVER defeated by anyone in Excalibur #25.
Big G's INTENTION was to just separate the Phoenix Force from Rachel,
but Roma told him he could NOT because,
when Galactus began this process this happened:
"Galactus the Stars .... they are going out"
Then Roma says,
"THAT CHILD (Rachel Summers) IS PHOENIX, Living Embodiment of ONE of the Primal Forces, you can no more divide her spirit from flesh than you can life from death, there is a natural order to her being (EXISTENCE) as to yours, and all creation"
Is Roma in other words saying,
you can't separate the Phoenix from Rachel. ✅
WHY?
Because "THAT CHILD (Rachel Summers) IS PHOENIX"
continues in the next post ... [/B]
i hate to question such logic 😈 but you just stated yourself that galactus planned to separate the phoenix force from rachel yet you go on in the next post to say that he was killing the phoenix force yet it states on panel he merely wished to separate its power from flesh and further proof IN ABOVE STATEMENTS when merged with the phoenix force one becomes an actually primal force and upon break this merger GALACTUS was also breaking the ETERNAL PATTERN the phoenix ROLE.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Roma then says,Galactus then says,
"my sustenance is living Planets, the Phoenix can Obliterate an entire Cosmos"Then Death responds with,
"and FROM that DEATH (Obliterate an entire Cosmos) bring about New Life (SPARK the Big Bang) but you're CHANGING that, [B]BREAKING the ETERNAL PATTERN
"Galactus said, the "Phoenix CAN Obliterate AN entire Cosmos"
Death responds, "and FROM THAT Death" (Obliterate AN entire Cosmos)
"BRING about NEW LIFE" (SPARK the Big Bang)
This is the Eternal Pattern
So,
the "Eternal Pattern" is Phoenix Force's ROLE in the Universe,
to exist as the "SUSTENANCE of the STARS"
and cyclically SPARK the Big Bang,
which "Obliterates a Cosmos and brings about New Life"
"Phoenix is both the SPARK that IGNITES CREATION (Big Bang)and the Final Fire that consumes it" (Obliterate an entire Cosmos)
So the "Eternal Pattern" is obviously the Phoenix Force's ROLE in the Universe, to exist as the "SUSTENANCE of the STARS"
and cyclically SPARK the Big Bang which "Obliterates a Cosmos and brings about New Life"Galactus was about to erase the PF from existence!
ERASE the Phoenix Force, and you BREAK that Pattern. [/B]
tell me EXACTLY where did you get that galactus was erasing the phoenix force from existence weres your panel proof were is it stated. as anyone with eyes can read it ACTUALLY STATES galactus wishes to separate the FORCE from rachel and what you seem not to understand is that while merged with the FORCE its avatar gains a cosmic importance and by breaking this form he was again as i stated in previous posts breaking the ETERNAL PATTERN now where you get he was erasing the FORCE from existence i dont know maybe you can explain to me better you could try reading the panel evidence that supports my claims.
Originally posted by Mr Master
When the WATCHER & DEATH said this to Galactus,"Is that your wish Galactus? ... to condemn the Cosmos to ultimate extinction, and yourself to an Eternity in an Infinite Void, can even you endure such desolation?"
"unless that's what you really want? ... You've handed so many over to my care, why not lay down your burdens, and JOIN them?"Galactus responds with,
"I am Supreme unto myself, I will NOT be bound Reaper, by Entity or Concept"
Watcher says,
[B]"Yet Phoenix LIVES"
Galactus responds,"FOR the PRESENT ... --- (What does this sound like to you?)
... the day is yours Starchilde, and with it,
an awareness of your Role (the ETERNAL PATTERN) in the Scheme of Things"
The ETERNAL PATTERN, is Phoenix's ROLE in the Universe, Galactus was going to END that PATTERN by ERASING the Phoenix Force from existence,
just like the Official Marvel Handbook clearly states, Roma,
"WARNED Galactus NOT to SLAY Phoenix II"
Phoenix II means the SECOND Phoenix, which is Rachel Summers.
SO once and for all,
the ETERNAL PATTERN was going to be BROKEN, and the STARS were GOING OUT.
and when Roma said this:
"Galactus the Stars, they are going out"
"THAT CHILD (Rachel Summers) IS PHOENIX, Living Embodiment of ONE of the Primal Forces, you can no more divide her spirit from flesh than you can life from death, there is a natural order to her being (EXISTENCE) as to yours, and all creation"
Roma was referring to Phoenix being ERASED from existence, and it's CANON!
(an excerpt from the Roma's OFFICIAL Marvel Universe Handbook Bio)
Bibliography - Excalibur #25 -"WARNED Galactus NOT to SLAY Phoenix II" (Rachel Summers)
MR MASTER i hate to burst your bubble by the last time i checked i believed PHOENIX two was RACHEL SUMMERS NOT THE PHOENIX FORCE so thank you for better supporting my case he was slaying the phoenix two in doing such a forcibly separation now tell me where did you get RACHEL SUMMERS AKA PHOENIX TWO from the phoenix force because they are not exactly the same ones a human the other's a primal force.
Originally posted by citannah17
MR MASTER i hate to burst your bubble by the last time i checked i believed PHOENIX two was RACHEL SUMMERS NOT THE PHOENIX FORCE so thank you for better supporting my case he was slaying the phoenix two in doing such a forcibly separation now tell me where did you get RACHEL SUMMERS AKA PHOENIX TWO from the phoenix force because they are not exactly the same ones a human the other's a primal force.
The Phoenix Force tells Rachel,
"ALL I have become, You ARE Too"
"My Essence is Bonded to Your Spirit, the Burden of Power, will be YOURS"
The Phoenix Force itself told Rachel:
"You are the ONE TRUE PHOENIX"
http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/p/phoenixiii.htm
"Two different beings calling themselves Phoenix and possessing extraordinary psionic powers are known to have appeared in this universe. The first was a cosmic entity known as the Phoenix Force which duplicated for itself and assumed the form and consciousness of Jean Grey, who is also known as Marvel Girl, one of the original members of the X-Men, a team of superhuman mutants. The second Phoenix is a human being, Rachel Summers"
This is why we should read Comics before asssaulting claims. 🙂
A couple things:
There’s no indication that in any confrontation between Phoenix and Galactus that Phoenix was using all of the power at her disposal. When Galactus decided to separate the Force from Rachel, she gave up the fight. The second time Phoenix met Galactus blow for blow.
Another thing to consider is that as Galactus fights he loses steam, while the more Phoenix uses power, the more powerful she becomes. This was Jean Grey’s problem (too much power too soon) as well as Rachel’s (not drawing on the Force for fear of becoming like Dark Phoenix).
I’ve been one of the people to always challenge the concept of a full-powered Galactus. What is such a thing? Galactus after he’s fed? How much does he have to eat to be full-power? Is there really such a thing? I don’t think we’ve seen it on panel. And what can a well fed, fully powered Galactus do that a regular Galactus can’t? What is there to prove that Galactus will become this über-powerful entity that so many claim he will be? As powerful as Eternity? Both have gotten their butts punked by being much lower on the food chain, as has Phoenix, so that’s not saying much. Is it power, or is it role/function that he acquires by attaining this level that we have yet to see? At this point, all I’ve seen is conjecture. Does anyone have scans that show what Galactus will become?
Originally posted by Cosmic Flame
A couple things:There’s no indication that in any confrontation between Phoenix and Galactus that Phoenix was using all of the power at her disposal. When Galactus decided to separate the Force from Rachel, she gave up the fight. The second time Phoenix met Galactus blow for blow. [/B]
I never claimed Galactus can defeat Phoenix in those scans,
those scans pertain to a separate debate I was having, whether or not the Phoenix Force can be Erased, evidently it can but the Universe in it's Natural State would suffer as a result.
In any case that dude reposted them, challenging the fact,
Rachel did give herself willingly, that's inconsequential concerning the Phoenix Force itself, the fact that Galactus was Erasing the PF from existence assures us it can happen.
Galactus' intention was to separate the Force from Rachel, he soon learned that was impossible, because as Roma stated, "That Child IS Phoenix"
This is why the Stars were "going out" in the Universe, because the PF in it's Natural State is the sustenance of the Stars:
And even the Natural Big Bang of a Universe, which the PF "sparks" to ignite, was threatened:
Together, this harmony is called the "Eternal Pattern"
Here it is from the Concepts and Roma herself stating exactly what I just said:
According to Death, only the beings that need Stars will die, it seems Death and higher ups are unaffected by Phoenix's non-existecne.
Meh, then again, so many uber cats can make their own Universe and sustain it themselves,
heck a whole Multiverse and more can be created by certain individuals.
Originally posted by Cosmic Flame
I’ve been one of the people to always challenge the concept of a full-powered Galactus. What is such a thing? Galactus after he’s fed? How much does he have to eat to be full-power? Is there really such a thing? I don’t think we’ve seen it on panel. And what can a well fed, fully powered Galactus do that a regular Galactus can’t? What is there to prove that Galactus will become this über-powerful entity that so many claim he will be? As powerful as Eternity? Both have gotten their butts punked by being much lower on the food chain, as has Phoenix, so that’s not saying much. Is it power, or is it role/function that he acquires by attaining this level that we have yet to see? At this point, all I’ve seen is conjecture. Does anyone have scans that show what Galactus will become?
The most powerful version of Galactus was from a another Timeline,
The Black Celestial messed with G' hunger, made it insatiable,
Galactus began to feed uncontrollably, the Universe was getting swallowed
and according to Reed, even entire UniverseS would not be enough calm his hunger.
Originally posted by Mr Master
The Phoenix Force tells Rachel,"ALL I have become, You ARE Too"
"My Essence is Bonded to Your Spirit, the Burden of Power, will be YOURS"
The Phoenix Force itself told Rachel:
"You are the ONE TRUE PHOENIX"
http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/p/phoenixiii.htm
"[B]Two different beings calling themselves Phoenix
and possessing extraordinary psionic powers are known to have appeared in this universe. The first was a cosmic entity known as the Phoenix Force which duplicated for itself and assumed the form and consciousness of Jean Grey, who is also known as Marvel Girl, one of the original members of the X-Men, a team of superhuman mutants. The second Phoenix is a human being, Rachel Summers"This is why we should read Comics before asssaulting claims. 🙂 [/B]
but your whole statement is IRREVELANT considering this conversation between rachel and the phoenix force HAPPENED AFTER the whole GALACTUS situation or maybe you should read up on your comics because you seem really CONFUSED about the situations concerning issue #25 maybe you should re-read instead of intrepeting things that aren't even on panel.
Originally posted by Mr Master
I never claimed Galactus can defeat Phoenix in those scans,those scans pertain to a separate debate I was having, whether or not the Phoenix Force can be Erased, evidently it can but the Universe in it's Natural State would suffer as a result.
In any case that dude reposted them, challenging the fact,
Rachel did give herself willingly, that's inconsequential concerning the Phoenix Force itself, the fact that Galactus was Erasing the PF from existence assures us it can happen.
Galactus' intention was to separate the Force from Rachel, he soon learned that was impossible, because as Roma stated, "That Child IS Phoenix"
This is why the Stars were "going out" in the Universe, because the PF in it's Natural State is the sustenance of the Stars:
And even the Natural Big Bang of a Universe, which the PF "sparks" to ignite, was threatened:
Together, this harmony is called the "Eternal Pattern"
Here it is from the Concepts and Roma herself stating exactly what I just said:
According to Death, only the beings that need Stars will die, it seems Death and higher ups are unaffected by Phoenix's non-existecne.
Meh, then again, so many uber cats can make their own Universe and sustain it themselves,
heck a whole Multiverse and more can be created by certain individuals.
The most powerful version of Galactus was from a another Timeline,
The Black Celestial messed with G' hunger, made it insatiable,
Galactus began to feed uncontrollably, the Universe was getting swallowed
and according to Reed, even entire UniverseS would not be enough calm his hunger.
you keep insisting on that the phoenix force was being erased tell me where is your proof you have none it SAYS IN THE COMIC BOOK that a separation was occuring and you know you'd think if your logic was even remotely correct if the phoenix force was actually dieing why didn't DEATH itself whom was present at this event mention this death of the phoenix force how come he didn't state once that the phoenix force was dieing explain that or why didn't the watcher state it or even roma how come she didn't say the phoenix force was dieing or shall i say being erased.
Originally posted by citannah17
but your whole statement is IRREVELANT considering this conversation between rachel and the phoenix force HAPPENED AFTER the whole GALACTUS situation or maybe you should read up on your comics because you seem really CONFUSED about the situations concerning issue #25 maybe you should re-read instead of intrepeting things that aren't even on panel.
Actually you're confused homie.
I know exactly when the PF talked to Rachel
and I know exactly when Galactus was Erasing her ass from existence.
The fact still remains,
Rachel was Phoenix in BOTH occasions, same principle applies.
Originally posted by citannah17
you keep insisting on that the phoenix force was being erased tell me where is your proof you have none it SAYS IN THE COMIC BOOK that a separation was occuring and you know you'd think if your logic was even remotely correct if the phoenix force was actually dieing why didn't DEATH itself whom was present at this event mention this death of the phoenix force how come he didn't state once that the phoenix force was dieing explain that or why didn't the watcher state it or even roma how come she didn't say the phoenix force was dieing or shall i say being erased.
As you wish. 🙂
Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually you're confused homie.I know exactly when the PF talked to Rachel
and I know exactly when Galactus was Erasing her ass from existence.
The fact still remains,
Rachel was Phoenix in BOTH occasions, same principle applies.
is it really fact or you making assuptions you know what i'll just ask one thing of you show me something a scan or panel where it EXACTLY STATES GALACTUS WAS ERASING THE PHOENIX FORCE FROM EXISTENCE and im not talking about the phoenix two i'm talking about THE PHOENIX FORCE ITSELF you can't because your either intrepeting the panels you posted wrong or as usual stating what exactly what you WANT to be on the panels even though all with EYES can clearly see you are making it up but from what i don't really know.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually you're confused homie.I know exactly when the PF talked to Rachel
and I know exactly when Galactus was Erasing her ass from existence.
The fact still remains,
Rachel was Phoenix in BOTH occasions, same principle applies.
actually HOMIE if you knew all of this as you claim then you wouldn't be confusing the two because according to your logic the phoenix force had already left rachel because thats when they talked BUT then why would GALACTUS show up trying to separate the two if the two had already spoken when the phoenix force left her. its simple logic really if you just THINK about it INSTEAD of making up things thats not on panel OR even stated or hinted at in the comic book itself read up on your own panels you posted then get at me.
Originally posted by citannah17
show me something a scan or panel where it EXACTLY STATES GALACTUS WAS ERASING THE PHOENIX FORCE FROM EXISTENCE and im not talking about the phoenix two i'm talking about THE PHOENIX FORCE ITSELF you can't because your either intrepeting the panels you posted wrong or as usual stating what exactly what you WANT to be on the panels even though all with EYES can clearly see you are making it up but from what i don't really know.
Dude, you're buggin out.
If the Stars were TURNING OFF ... which the Phoenix Force SUSTAINS,
and the "ETERNAL PATTERN" was in jeopardy, which the Phoenix Force intiates,
WHAT does that tell you?
🙄
Look, believe what you wish,
if you didn't get the simple explanation with the evidence, circles are inevitable.
It's Friday, I'm not going to explain this simplicity over and over again. 🙂
Originally posted by citannah17
actually HOMIE if you knew all of this as you claim then you wouldn't be confusing the two because according to your logic the phoenix force had already left rachel because thats when they talked BUT then why would GALACTUS show up trying to separate the two if the two had already spoken when the phoenix force left her. its simple logic really if you just THINK about it INSTEAD of making up things thats not on panel OR even stated or hinted at in the comic book itself read up on your own panels you posted then get at me.
Just like I finished predicting:
firefirefireph
I'm out of here, enjoy yourself. 😎
