galactus vs phoenix

Meh,

I'll leave you with this one.

When Galactus released the Phoenix Force,

which WAS Rachel Summers according to Roma, (and the Phoenix Force itself in later issues)

This occurs:

Galactus responds with,

"I am Supreme unto myself, I will NOT be bound Reaper, by Entity or Concept"

Watcher says,

"Yet Phoenix LIVES"

Galactus responds,

"FOR the PRESENT ... --- (What does this sound like to you?)

... the day is yours Starchilde, and with it,

an awareness of your Role (the ETERNAL PATTERN) in the Scheme of Things"

hm

Why would the Watcher say,

"Yet Phoenix Lives"

if it's Life-Force was never in danger due to Galactus?

Galactus even replies, "For the Present" (as to say, For Now I'll let her Live)

Satisfied?

Good day friend. swank

The use of the word "yet" implies that regardless of what was being done to it, it was not destroyed, as in it was too powerful even for that. The way I understand it, Galactus saying for the present goes to the Phoenix cycle of death and rebirth, which he now understands when he says he knows the role the Phoenix plays.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Meh,

I'll leave you with this one.

When Galactus released the Phoenix Force,

which WAS Rachel Summers according to Roma, (and the Phoenix Force itself in later issues)

This occurs:

Galactus responds with,

"I am Supreme unto myself, I will NOT be bound Reaper, by Entity or Concept"

Watcher says,

[B]"Yet Phoenix LIVES"

Galactus responds,

"FOR the PRESENT ... --- (What does this sound like to you?)

... the day is yours Starchilde, and with it,

an awareness of your Role (the ETERNAL PATTERN) in the Scheme of Things"

hm

Why would the Watcher say,

"Yet Phoenix Lives"

if it's Life-Force was never in danger due to Galactus?

Galactus even replies, "For the Present" (as to say, For Now I'll let her Live)

Satisfied?

Good day friend. swank [/B]

you keep speaking on phoenix yet you said the PHOENIX FORCE was being erased tell me where did you get that statement is all im asking and not you just posting countless of the same panels over and over again you have no proof so what you need to do is give up this escapade declaring the PHOENIX FORCE was being erased you say its simple YET IF WHAT YOU SAY WAS ACTUALLY HAPPENING WHY DIDNT death, roma ,or the watcher say it thats right because your wrong just admit it DAMN. oh and this whole situation you keep bring up about rachel i already know she was going to die due to the separation process even NOVA said it but surprisingly enough even GALACTUS said when he first arrived was that he was going to return the PHOENIX FORCE to its natural state in the cosmos now where you got he was killing it from idk lets let the onlookers decide.

Originally posted by LordKaos
The use of the word "yet" implies that regardless of what was being done to it, it was not destroyed, as in it was too powerful even for that.

Actually, Galactus was never able to fully erase the PF, he was in the process.

This is why the "Stars were going out"

Galactus released her before she was erased,

after Death and Roma made him understand the Phoenix is necessary to the Universe,

like all the Abstracts.

Originally posted by LordKaos
The way I understand it, Galactus saying for the present goes to the Phoenix cycle of death and rebirth, which he now understands when he says he knows the role the Phoenix plays.

I disagree,

IMO, he meant, until further notice.

Originally posted by citannah17
you keep speaking on phoenix yet you said the PHOENIX FORCE was being erased tell me where did you get that statement is all im asking and not you just posting countless of the same panels over and over again you have no proof so what you need to do is give up this escapade declaring the PHOENIX FORCE was being erased you say its simple YET IF WHAT YOU SAY WAS ACTUALLY HAPPENING WHY DIDNT death, roma ,or the watcher say it thats right because your wrong just admit it DAMN. oh and this whole situation you keep bring up about rachel i already know she was going to die due to the separation process even NOVA said it but surprisingly enough even GALACTUS said when he first arrived was that he was going to return the PHOENIX FORCE to its natural state in the cosmos now where you got he was killing it from idk lets let the onlookers decide.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Just like I finished predicting:

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I'm out of here, enjoy yourself. 😎

Originally posted by Mr Master
Meh,

I'll leave you with this one.

When Galactus released the Phoenix Force,

which WAS Rachel Summers according to Roma, (and the Phoenix Force itself in later issues)

This occurs:

Galactus responds with,

"I am Supreme unto myself, I will NOT be bound Reaper, by Entity or Concept"

Watcher says,

[B]"Yet Phoenix LIVES"

Galactus responds,

"FOR the PRESENT ... --- (What does this sound like to you?)

... the day is yours Starchilde, and with it,

an awareness of your Role (the ETERNAL PATTERN) in the Scheme of Things"

hm

Why would the Watcher say,

"Yet Phoenix Lives"

if it's Life-Force was never in danger due to Galactus?

Galactus even replies, "For the Present" (as to say, For Now I'll let her Live)

Satisfied?

Good day friend. swank [/B]

This is obvious. Good job Mr M thumbup

Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually, Galactus was never able to fully erase the PF, he was in the process.

This is why the "Stars were going out"

Galactus released her before she was erased,

after Death and Roma made him understand the Phoenix is necessary to the Universe,

like all the Abstracts.

I disagree,

IMO, he meant, until further notice.

How can you say he meant until further notice when he thinks he'll be rid of her when he hits that button, he talks some pretty big shit about not being bound by her and to the surprise of the Watcher ("Yet Phoenix Lives"😉 she still lives. He says at the present then goes on about her role, he understands her now, nothing suggests he has her on notice or I'm guessing he would have said until next time. IMO he did not destroy her or show that he had the power to do so, and apparently he's not allowed to kill her if he does have the power, as to not violate some delicate balance he is bound by.

my understanding is the pf created galactus or at least allowed the creation of galactus.... also hasnt galactus admitted that he could devour planets but pf devours entire cosmos?

Originally posted by LordKaos
How can you say he meant until further notice when he thinks he'll be rid of her when he hits that button, he talks some pretty big shit about not being bound by her and to the surprise of the Watcher ("Yet Phoenix Lives"😉 she still lives. He says at the present then goes on about her role, he understands her now, nothing suggests he has her on notice or I'm guessing he would have said until next time. IMO he did not destroy her or show that he had the power to do so, and apparently he's not allowed to kill her if he does have the power, as to not violate some delicate balance he is bound by.

you know this is exactly what im trying to make MR MASTER understand yet he continues to say that galactus was erasing the phoenix force yet he has no proof or none of the parties at the occurence (roma, nova, death, or the watcher) states what MR MASTER claims and to even further discredit his intrepretations of the scans GALACTUS himself states exactly what he has come to do SEPARATE THE FORCE FROM RACHEL nothing more.

Some questions

How did phoenix get into his machine?
Any body relealize he is using technology?

Originally posted by starlock
Some questions

How did phoenix get into his machine?
Any body relealize he is using technology?

oh the phoenix ALLOWED galactus to capture her because she realized her friends would be in danger and even so she points out she had better hurry and get it over with before she changed her mind and decided galactus is the one who should be making an exit.

phoenix has defeated him before, and lousy arguments dont matters as much as the official shit

Originally posted by citannah17
you know this is exactly what im trying to make MR MASTER understand yet he continues to say that galactus was erasing the phoenix force yet he has no proof or none of the parties at the occurence (roma, nova, death, or the watcher) states what MR MASTER claims and to even further discredit his intrepretations of the scans GALACTUS himself states exactly what he has come to do SEPARATE THE FORCE FROM RACHEL nothing more.

It is theory on my part, I know very little about the Phoenix Force but it is possible that a forced seperation would hurt it and possibly kill it.

Originally posted by starlock
Some questions

How did phoenix get into his machine?
Any body relealize he is using technology?

Isn't he allowed to use technology in the battle?

Enernity IS a universe. The Phoenix of the White Crown can manipulate universes fairly easily. As was shown when the "here comes tomorrow" universe was seperated from the 616 universe.

Phoenix of the White Crown>Eternity=full powered Galactus

Full powered Phoenix > Full powered Galactus

Originally posted by Utrigita
It is theory on my part, I know very little about the Phoenix Force but it is possible that a forced separation would hurt it and possibly kill it.

IMO the separation would cause more damage to the one trying to separate it, the Shi'ar caused a forced separation of a piece of Phoenix in EndSong and all they managed to do was drive it insane, putting everything else in danger. The Force comes back whenever the consciousness dictates it must, you just can't kill it, that's why marvel used the phoenix myth to illustrate the perpetual existence of the Phoenix Force.

Originally posted by LordKaos
IMO the separation would cause more damage to the one trying to separate it, the Shi'ar caused a forced separation of a piece of Phoenix in EndSong and all they managed to do was drive it insane, putting everything else in danger. The Force comes back whenever the consciousness dictates it must, you just can't kill it, that's why marvel used the phoenix myth to illustrate the perpetual existence of the Phoenix Force.

Possibly but Galactus technology far outweights that of the shiar perhaps it would give a edge ore something

I still think it would cause more damage to the universe than it would the Phoenix, separating the Phoenix from it's host or avatar only causes it to be manifested in the physical plane without a consciousness, making it a parasitic creature that feeds on life unborn in order to exist, including the unborn life of whoever will become Galactus in the next universe, and so on and so forth ad infinitum.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Possibly but Galactus technology far outweights that of the shiar perhaps it would give a edge ore something

Originally posted by Utrigita
It is theory on my part, I know very little about the Phoenix Force but it is possible that a forced seperation would hurt it and possibly kill it.

thats the same thing MR MASTER says but i just dont think it can killed seeing as it was never stated in the comic that is was dieing or even being hurt the comic said galactus wished to RETURN the force to its natural state within the cosmos but what galactus didn't realize is that forcibly trying to separate the force from its host will cause the universe destruction well atleast its becoming void. i just dont get where everyone gets the force was dieing because sense DEATH was actually present you'd think it would have mention the force's demise.