Pre-retcon Amalgam Brothers discussion

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Back to topic, shall we?
What can be more powerful than avatars of the two most powerful comic companies in the world.
The writer/editor are omnipotent to the characters on the paper, so is the brothers, no?

well back on topic cool 🙂

If TOAA and The presence are the writers and editors,we could look at the Brothers as the CEO's that run the company the presidents of the orginizations and such

WHo else could destroy one whole company,not the writers or the editors
if we follow the premise that one of the companies would have been destroyed

Just some thoughts on the topic

Originally posted by Galan007
Theorems don't equate to indisputable proof.

Don't you understand that?

I don't think you understand,

do you know what the Pythagorean theorem is?

When you look that up,

you'l understand the difference between theory and theorem.

Originally posted by Galan007
[b]Theorem:

1 : a formula, proposition, or statement in mathematics or logic deduced or to be deduced from other formulas or propositions

2 : an idea accepted or proposed as a demonstrable truth often as a part of a general theory [/B]

What does this prove?

The "general theory" of Infinity is one thing, but concerning it's aspects,

Cantor's Theorem PROVES there are levels of Infinity.

Originally posted by Galan007
You see?

Though it may be accepted by some as truth,

a Theorem is not infallible by far.

I don't see anything.

Where is it stated that "some accept as truth"?

Where is it stated that Theorems fallible by far?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Encyclopedia of Astrobiology Astronomy & Spacelift:

http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/I/infinity.html

Essentially,

he PROVED that the cardinal number of all the subsets –

the different ways of arranging the elements –

of a set of size aleph-null is a bigger form of infinity.

You must be missing the he PROVED part.

Please read.

So you can kiss speculation away.

We got the "he proved part",but i am more interested in the word you start with-Essentially

"Cantor was never able to prove or disprove his continuum hypothesis"

"In the 1930s, Kurt Gödel showed that it is impossible to disprove the continuum hypothesis from the standard axioms of set theory. Three decades later, Paul Cohen showed that it cannot be proven from those same axioms either. "

"Currently, the preference among mathematicians is to regard the Continuum Hypothesis as being false"

Thats what i got from the articles

Can we get back on topic

Originally posted by starlock
We got the "he proved part",but i am more interested in the word you start with-Essentially

What about the word "Essentially?"

Originally posted by starlock
"Cantor was never able to prove or disprove his continuum hypothesis"

"In the 1930s, Kurt Gödel showed that it is impossible to disprove the continuum hypothesis from the standard axioms of set theory. Three decades later, Paul Cohen showed that it cannot be proven from those same axioms either. "

"Currently, the preference among mathematicians is to regard the Continuum Hypothesis as being false"

Unfortunately this is not Cantor's Theorem. (nice try)

This is Cantor's Continuum Hypothesis, which was tied into the article.

Hypothesis & Theorem = Two completely different things.

This is the part you chose to ignore,

the relevant part. 🙂

"He then demonstrated, using what has become known as Cantor's theorem, that there is a hierarchy of infinities of which aleph-null is the smallest.

Essentially, he Proved that the cardinal number of all the subsets – the different ways of arranging the elements – of a set of size aleph-null is a bigger form of infinity, which he called aleph-one.

Similarly, the cardinality of the set of subsets of aleph-one is a still bigger infinity, known as aleph-two. And so on, indefinitely, leading to an infinite number of different infinities."

Originally posted by starlock
Thats what i got from the articles

That's because you were blindly only looking for ammo to use in your agenda.

😛

Originally posted by starlock
Can we get back on topic

We still ain't done yet.

the only agenda is to get back on topic hehe
but i see no insults,very good

Originally posted by Mr Master
Encyclopedia of Astrobiology Astronomy & Spacelift:

http://www.daviddarling.info/encycl...I/infinity.html

Essentially,

he PROVED that the cardinal number of all the subsets –

the different ways of arranging the elements –

of a set of size aleph-null is a bigger form of infinity.

You must be missing the he PROVED part.

how do i find it? is their a link on that site that your link sent me to?
http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/I/infinity.html
this is the one i used
where from here? this is where i went to i cant find it?

EDIT Ah it does not highlight his name when refering to it, i humbley appologize

HAHA this is just to funny-Essentially proves it and then goes into what i posted,man is this a wate of time even for you

The Brothers in the Marvel Retcon,will we see them again?

Originally posted by starlock
how do i find it? is their a link on that site that your link sent me to?
http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/I/infinity.html

EDIT Ah it does not highlight his name when refering to it, i humbley appologize

It's cool, 🙂

I just wanna make sure you saw it for yourself.

Back to topic, so the Amgalgam Brothers where supreme, now are they omnipotent?

Originally posted by starlock
HAHA this is just to funny-Essentially proves it and then goes into what i posted,

dontgetit

Essentially:

"used to emphasize the basic, fundamental, or intrinsic nature of a person, thing, or situation"

That sure is a big "ha ha" without merit. 🙂

Originally posted by starlock
man is this a wate of time even for you

Ok now you lost me, I thought you were being cool and now this: shrug

Originally posted by starlock
The Brothers in the Marvel Retcon, will we see them again?

The Brother that represented Marvel in the DC vs Marvel arc does not exist,

I don't know and could careless about DC's Brother.

That Marvel Brother along with another Brother,

that just happens to look exactly like the DC Brother, 😂

are now a Megaverse each, IN Marvel,

and will probably never be seen again.

I laugh cause some won't accept they've both been retconned:

Same Look ...

Same Name ...

Same Battle pose ...

but they're not the same. 😏

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Back to topic, so the Amgalgam Brothers where supreme, now are they omnipotent?

Had they been Supreme,

LT and Spectre would not have restructured them completely.

Had they been Supreme,

LT & Spectre would not have been able to Obiterate them by Merging them.

The Brothers were wrenches thrown into the DC and Marvel continuity,

and it was always Non-Canon.

So perhaps they were Supreme of this other Reality where DC & Marvel collide,

but not that Supreme cause LT and Spectre affected them significantly.

In Marvel, the real Marvel Canon Reality that is, TOAA/GOD is untouchable,

and TOAA/GOD is the real Supreme being of Marvel.

Originally posted by Mr Master
What does this prove?

The "general theory" of Infinity is one thing, but concerning it's aspects,

Cantor's Theorem PROVES there are levels of Infinity.

Please read.

So you can kiss speculation away.

Theorem =

1. a formula, proposition, or statement in mathematics or logic deduced or to be deduced from other formulas or propositions.
2. an idea accepted or proposed as a demonstrable truth often as a part of a general theory.
3. PROPOSITION.

Theory =

1. a hypothesis assumed for the sake of argument or investigation.
2. an unproved assumption.
3. a body of theorems presenting a concise systematic view of a subject.

Theorems/Theories = Not 100% factual.

Cantor's Theorem is not an exception to this rule. 😬

Anyhow,

Back on topic. 🙂

Originally posted by Galan007
Theorem =

1. a formula, proposition, or statement in mathematics or logic deduced or to be deduced from other formulas or propositions.
2. an idea accepted or proposed as a demonstrable truth often as a part of a general [b]theory.
3. PROPOSITION.

Theory =

1. a hypothesis assumed for the sake of argument or investigation.
2. an unproved assumption.
3. a body of theorems presenting a concise systematic view of a subject. [/B]

You still don't get it, shrug

We'll leave it at that,

believe what you wish. 🙂

Originally posted by Galan007
Theorems/Theories = Not 100% factual.

Cantor's [b]Theorem is not an exception to this rule. [/B]

So perhaps Calculus is an exception, or Pythagorean's equation,

these are formulas that are used through out the mathematical world

as set understandings of the logic they prove.

There's even classes of Calculus in schools and Universities,

an entire independent department of Mathematics.

Yet it's a Theorem as is Pythagorean's, another accepted Formula as FACT!!!

AGAIN:

Originally posted by Mr Master
http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/I/infinity.html

"He then demonstrated, using what has become known as Cantor's theorem, that there is a hierarchy of infinities of which aleph-null is the smallest.

Essentially, he Proved that the cardinal number of all the subsets – the different ways of arranging the elements – of a set of size aleph-null is a bigger form of infinity, which he called aleph-one.

Similarly, the cardinality of the set of subsets of aleph-one is a still bigger infinity, known as aleph-two. And so on, indefinitely, leading to an infinite number of different infinities."

I would love to see you go to some college and dispute the reality of Calculus,

because it's a theorem. 😉

Originally posted by Mr Master
Had they been Supreme,

LT and Spectre would not have restructured them completely.

Had they been Supreme,

LT & Spectre would not have been able to Obiterate them by Merging them.

The Brothers were wrenches thrown into the DC and Marvel continuity,

and it was always Non-Canon.

So perhaps they were Supreme of this other Reality where DC & Marvel collide,

but not that Supreme cause LT and Spectre affected them significantly.

In Marvel, the real Marvel Canon Reality that is, TOAA/GOD is untouchable,

and TOAA/GOD is the real Supreme being of Marvel.

And I bring up Galant's arguement here as well, it was never showed that the Brothers somehow resisted the fusion.

It was however stated that the Spectre and the Living Tribunal were awed, that the Brothers released power which liking has never been witnessed before.

And not to forget, the Living Tribunal and Spectre werent able to affect the Brothers at the end.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Never was it stated that Spectre nor the Living Tribunal could've obliterated them, Spectre was just suprised that they survived, well more or less.

This is right before the LT & Spectre release the Brothers:

"We're using it to Restore the Universes"

After the separation exactly One split down the middle of Two Realities.

Immediately afterwards:

"The Universe that was an Amalgam of Two Others blows apart"

"We're back to the Universes co-existing"

This is the scan you say Access meant Universe as in pieces of the Brothers.

Let us see:

"When it looked like the Universes would be Obliterated, then the BUM helped me Jump someplace IN-BETWEEN"

"Someplace where NO Aspect of the Brothers existed"

When DID it LOOK like the Universes would be Obliterated?

So we can figure out whether it was just singular Universes or the Brothers themselves.

This is the moment,

"When it looked like the Universes would be Obliterated, then the BUM helped me Jump someplace IN-BETWEEN"

I think we can agree "The Universes" were the Brothers ey?

Where is this place "where NO Aspect of the Brothers exists?"

And there is the "BUM, that helped him Jump someplace IN-BETWEEN, when the Universes were about to be Obliterated.

When did this happen?

When the Brothers were MERGED by LT & Spectre, it's all clear On Panel. 🙂

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
And I bring up Galant's arguement here as well, it was never showed that the Brothers somehow resisted the fusion.

I disagree.

It's quite obvious the Brothers were struggling to be released.

"He was wrong. The old Guradian knows now he was wrong"

"He had thought the merging was the doing of the Brothers,

it was NOT"

"because of the War, ONE of the Universes faced being hurled INTO OBLIVION"

"The Living Tribunal & the Spectre are holding it all together."

"Their effort Created a Amalgam Universe ... the Brother aren't Happy about it"

There is obviously, NO struggle here. 😏

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
It was however stated that the Spectre and the Living Tribunal were awed, that the Brothers released power which liking has never been witnessed before.

Yea it's funny,

LT and Spectre are awed at the Brothers battling,

but LT and Spectre are not awed that they themselves

nearly Obliterated BOTH Brothers.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
And not to forget, the Living Tribunal and Spectre werent able to affect the Brothers at the end.

They weren't meant to.

The plot must go on, no matter the CIS and PIS as never seen before.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I would love to see you go to some college and dispute the reality of Calculus,

because it's a theorem.

The basic hierarchy of "rules" from least accepted to most accepted, is as follows...

Hypothesis, Theories based on a Hypothesis, Theorems, Laws/Principles.

Laws/Principles are the only catagory which can generally be regarded all around as 100% factual.

Go to a college and try to tell a science/math professor that every theorem is always 100% infallible, and he might slap ya a good one. 😛

Originally posted by Galan007
A theorem regarding Calculus is MUCH different then a theorem regarding different conceptual levels of infinity.
The basic hierarchy of "rules" from least accepted to most accepted, is as follows...
Hypothesis, Theories based on a Hypothesis, Theorems, Laws/Principles.
Laws/Principles are the only catagory which can generally be regarded all around as 100% factual.
Go to a college and try to tell a science/math professor that every theorem is always 100% infallible, and he might slap ya a good one.

As you wish. 🙂

Originally posted by Mr Master
As you wish. 🙂

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
He's right.

🙄

The place where no aspect of the Brothers existed were Amalgam, the result of them merging.
They were all of Marvel and all of DC, but not Amalgam.

The Spectre and the Living Tribunal did never nearly obliterate them, the Spectre only says that he's suprized that they survived.

Even when they merged it said that the Brothers were setting things their own way ...

And even in the begining.
The Living Tribunal and Spectre says that there's a force so great even they can't right it, that's the Brothers.

We don't know how or why the merging worked, we don't know if the Brother did anything to get out of it, all we know is that they broke free.
And the Spectre and the Living Tribunal were awed by their power.

And it was power which liking has never been witnessed before.

The Spectre and the Living Tribunal tried to prevent the Brothers from fighting but they didnt make any differance, they were less than two flies trying to stop two men from brawling.