Pre-retcon Amalgam Brothers discussion

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
The place where no aspect of the Brothers existed were Amalgam, the result of them merging.
They were all of Marvel and all of DC, but not Amalgam.

dontgetit

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
The Spectre and the Living Tribunal did never nearly obliterate them,

the Spectre only says that he's suprized that they survived.

Dude, I don't know what Comic you're reading,

but if you're still stuck on "the Brothers were not nearly obliterated"

I have nothing else to say to this.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Even when they merged it said that the Brothers were setting things their own way ...

I'm not debating this with you anymore, you're completely overwriting the On Panel account with your personal fantastical rendition of the events.

I posted the scans like so many times, if you didn't accept it then,

you're not going to now. 🙂

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
And even in the begining.
The Living Tribunal and Spectre says that there's a force so great even they can't right it, that's the Brothers.

Actually LT only said there's an imbalance and for once I can't right it.

Which is rubbish,

cause LT claimed the same thing with Korvac.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
We don't know how or why the merging worked,

Actually we do.

LT and Spectre MERGED them.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
we don't know if the Brother did anything to get out of it,

We know that LT and Spectre were struggling to keep them MERGED,

so yea, I believe the Brothers were trying to break free.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
all we know is that they broke free.

All we know is that LT and Spectre freed the Brothers with the help of Access.

Have you read any of these issues?

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
And the Spectre and the Living Tribunal were awed by their power.

LT was in awe of Dr Strange, because Strange broke out of the Rings of Ragador.

And they were awed by the Battle between the Brothers, NOT their power.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
And it was power which liking has never been witnessed before.

Meaningless statements, to suit this Non-Canon garbage.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
The Spectre and the Living Tribunal tried to prevent the Brothers from fighting but they didnt make any differance, they were less than two flies trying to stop two men from brawling.

Two flies that MERGED the Brothers against their will.

Two flies that nearly Obliterated both Brothers. 😄

Originally posted by Mr Master
dontgetit

Dude, I don't know what Comic you're reading,

but if you're still stuck on "the Brothers were not nearly obliterated"

I have nothing else to say to this.

I'm not debating this with you anymore, you're completely overwriting the On Panel account with your personal fantastical rendition of the events.

I posted the scans like so many times, if you didn't accept it then,

you're not going to now. 🙂

Actually LT only said there's an imbalance and for once I can't right it.

Which is rubbish,

cause LT claimed the same thing with Korvac.

Actually we do.

LT and Spectre MERGED them.

We know that LT and Spectre were struggling to keep them MERGED,

so yea, I believe the Brothers were trying to break free.

All we know is that LT and Spectre freed the Brothers with the help of Access.

Have you read any of these issues?

An other thing we know, is that the Brothers were supreme, you might have to look that up, if there were any "The-One-Above-All" or "Presence" separated from them, they would be lesser than the Brothers, if they were the same, it would mean equality.

LT was in awe of Dr Strange, because Strange broke out of the Rings of Ragador.

And they were awed by the Battle between the Brothers, NOT their power.

Meaningless statements, to suit this Non-Canon garbage.

Two flies that MERGED the Brothers against their will.

Two flies that nearly Obliterated both Brothers. 😄

And no, when they were head to head with the Brothers they couldent do anything.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Post the scan again, I don't know which you're refering to anymore ...

Come on T, be thorough friend, so we can avoid circles.

This is Access telling us the Brothers were nearly Obliterated.

"When it looked like the Universes would be Obliterated,

then the BUM helped me Jump someplace IN-BETWEEN"

"Someplace where NO Aspect of the Brothers existed"

...............................................................................................................................................

Access said, when it looked like the Universes (Brothers) were going to be destroyed,

the BUM helped him jump somewhere in-between.

NOW, when did it looked like the Universes would be Obliterated?

At the same time, when did the "BUM" help him jump In-between?

And there is the "BUM, that helped him Jump someplace IN-BETWEEN,

when the Universes were about to be Obliterated.

When did this happen?

When the Brothers were MERGED by LT & Spectre, it's all clear On Panel. 🙂

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Like you do when the Living Tribunal and Spectre where beneath the notecing of the Brothers?

Which is why Non-Canon arcs are usually garbage, they can't even follow through.

LT & Spectre are beneath the notice of the Brothers,

and yet LT & Spectre Warped the shit out of the Brothers.

LT & Spectre nearly Obliterated BOTH Brothers,

but they were beneath their notice. 😂

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
With a detailed explanation I will,

I have.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/446298_10-geb-vs-merlyn-the-brothers-lt#post8660558

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
but it seems like you overshadow some facts, and brighten up the others that work in favor for your theory.

dontgetit

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Maybe that even was retconned, or maybe this was supose to happend before the Korvac arc.

Maybe, perhaps, possibly, conceivably, it could be,

it is possible, for all one knows.

I thought I was favoring theories? 😏

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
But it was said that it was the result of the Brothers setting this their own way, so how can it be against their will?

T, I told you before, I showed you before, and again, (last time)

This is ACCESS TALKING!

This ACCESS TALKING AGAIN! The Old Guardian is Access.

"He was wrong. The old Guradian knows now he was wrong"

"He had thought the merging was the doing of the Brothers,

it was NOT"

"The Living Tribunal & the Spectre are holding it all together."

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
So why couldent the Living Tribunal and Spectre do [B]anything to the Brothers, when they were facing them head to head. [/B]

Because the Brothers were supposed to be more powerful than LT & Spectre.

My contention is that they were NOT the Supreme Beings.

WHY?

Because LT and Spectre Merged them and nearly Obliterated both of them.

Even though they were supposedly more powerful than LT & Spectre.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
An other thing we know, is that the Brothers were supreme, you might have to look that up, if there were any "The-One-Above-All" or "Presence" separated from them, they would be lesser than the Brothers, if they were the same, it would mean equality.

According to the On Panel events,

the Brothers could NEVER had been the Supreme Beings as in TOAA or Presence.

NEVER!

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
So the power which liking has never been witnessed before was some kind of lie?

Just non-canon hype.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
SO is all other statements in the series.

I agree.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Post the nearly obliterated scan (only, so I don't mess 'em up)

I did, up top.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Come on T, be thorough friend, so we can avoid circles.

This is Access telling us the Brothers were nearly Obliterated.

"When it looked like [B]the Universes would be Obliterated,

then the BUM helped me Jump someplace IN-BETWEEN"

"Someplace where NO Aspect of the Brothers existed"

...............................................................................................................................................

Access said, when it looked like the Universes (Brothers) were going to be destroyed,

the BUM helped him jump somewhere in-between.

NOW, when did it looked like the Universes would be Obliterated?

At the same time, when did the "BUM" help him jump In-between?

And there is the "BUM, that helped him Jump someplace IN-BETWEEN,

when the Universes were about to be Obliterated.

When did this happen?

When the Brothers were MERGED by LT & Spectre, it's all clear On Panel. 🙂

Which is why Non-Canon arcs are usually garbage, they can't even follow through.

LT & Spectre are beneath the notice of the Brothers,

and yet LT & Spectre Warped the shit out of the Brothers.

LT & Spectre nearly Obliterated BOTH Brothers,

but they were beneath their notice. 😂

I have.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/446298_10-geb-vs-merlyn-the-brothers-lt#post8660558

dontgetit

Maybe, perhaps, possibly, conceivably, it could be,

it is possible, for all one knows.

I thought I was favoring theories? 😏

T, I told you before, I showed you before, and again, (last time)

This is ACCESS TALKING!

This ACCESS TALKING AGAIN! The Old Guardian is Access.

"He was wrong. The old Guradian knows now he was wrong"

"He had thought the merging was the doing of the Brothers,

it was NOT"

"The Living Tribunal & the Spectre are holding it all together."

Because the Brothers were supposed to be more powerful than LT & Spectre.

My contention is that they were NOT the Supreme Beings.

WHY?

Because LT and Spectre Merged them and nearly Obliterated both of them.

Even though they were supposedly more powerful than LT & Spectre.

According to the On Panel events,

the Brothers could NEVER had been the Supreme Beings as in TOAA or Presence.

NEVER!

Just non-canon hype.

I agree.

I did, up top. [/B]

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Ur using what access is saying against what the panels are saying? Um access didn't know shit then.

Dude, get out of the way and let the debaters work.

We know how you do, you're a hater,

and you'll make shit up to distract the onlookers.

I invite anyone to READ what I posted,

and tell me if I'm being sneaky.

I CHALLENGE anyone to prove this cat right.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Ur using what access is saying against what the panels are saying? Um access didn't know shit then.

LT and Spectre could never do those types of things to their masters.
That alone is proof enough.

Originally posted by Juntai
He's simply saying they weren't the supreme beings of the universe, or more powerful than the supreme beings. Like a couple of people are suggesting, and showing what supports it.

LT and Spectre could never do those types of things to their masters.
That alone is proof enough.

Thank you Jun.

That's all I've ever been saying.

How is it so simple to see for some,

but for others ... 🙄

Originally posted by Juntai
He's simply saying they weren't the supreme beings of the universe, or more powerful than the supreme beings. Like a couple of people are suggesting, and showing what supports it.

LT and Spectre could never do those types of things to their masters.
That alone is proof enough.

Well I never thought of the brother's as Supreme beings. But more like the Palet's on which the Supreme beings actually created thier Omegaverses. But one does wonder if TOAA and the Presence did actually fight, and were so into each other and so evenly matched, could the spectre and LT pull a fast one and merge realities? TOAA and the presence aren't actual realities tho. They are above them. But we see this type of dupe all the time. Superman matches Zod punch for punch while the less powerful Atom slips in. Two Big Dogs fight over a bone while a little one Slips in and gets it. The brother's for all intents and purposes might as well have been God to the Guardians tho. They were still like spects slipping in where they could fit in to get a momentary victory.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Well I never thought of the brother's as Supreme beings.

But more like the Palet's on which the Supreme beings actually created thier Omegaverses. But one does wonder if TOAA and the Presence did actually fight, and were so into each other and so evenly matched, could the spectre and LT pull a fast one and merge realities? TOAA and the presence aren't actual realities tho. They are above them. But we see this type of dupe all the time. Superman matches Zod punch for punch while the less powerful Atom slips in. Two Big Dogs fight over a bone while a little one Slips in and gets it. The brother's for all intents and purposes might as well have been God to the Guardians tho. They were still like spects slipping in where they could fit in to get a momentary victory. [/B]

But yeah, I don't see Spectre pulling a fast one on God. Condering he's a piece of God.
That'd be like my foot trying to kick me in the face against my will.

Originally posted by Juntai
Never said you did. I was merely trying to simplify the standpoint Mr Master has been debating for pages now.

It's interesting to entertain ideas sometimes, huh?

But yeah, I don't see Spectre pulling a fast one on God. Condering he's a piece of God.
That'd be like my foot trying to kick me in the face against my will.

What if The Presence and TOAA where locked in battle. Putting all thier omnipotent and omnicience into beating each other so that no one could get an upperhand. If they let slip any of thier attention then the other wins. Could The Spectre and the LT still pull a minor fast one?

Access says that they nearly obliterated the universes ...

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU

The Brothers were stated to be everything, to be supreme, if The-One-Above-All and the Presence were separate beings, they would be beneath them.

And the Living Tribunal and Spectre knew beforehand that they could not stop the Brothers.

Now I want an explanation for either one of these points.

Originally posted by Juntai
But yeah, I don't see Spectre pulling a fast one on God. Condering he's a piece of God.

That'd be like my foot trying to kick me in the face against my will.

😆

That analogy had me rollin.

Nice.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Even though, people seem to be ignoring the facts that they do not like, here for example, the Living Tribunal and Spectre uses all their power trying to hold back the Brothers, they didn't make any differance, not even with [B]all their power. [/B]

Where is it stated they used "all their power?"

If LT & Spectre didn't make a difference,

then why did the Brothers only clash once,

after LT & Spectre interfered in their battle?

They clashed once and the fight stopped.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
The Brothers were stated to be everything, to be [B]supreme, [/B]

In Marvel Continuity ... the Infinity Being was Everything, Supreme:

"This Being was the only Living Thing that Existed within Any and ALL Realities"

"ALL That Was and ALL that Was Was it"

Then Thanos says, "I wouldn't blame you for calling it "GOD" ...

What other name would fit?"

(which makes sense)

"ALL That Was Was already Part of Itself ... there was NO Other in it's Life"

"It chose to put an End to itself ...

from it's Ashes rose ALL That is currently Reality ... in ALL it's many forms"

Diana of the Dark Shoppe (in another Universe) basically tells the same tale:

ALL Official and Canon.

So how can the Brothers also have been everything, Supreme?

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
if The-One-Above-All and the Presence were separate beings, they would be beneath them.

I totally disagree.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
And the Living Tribunal and Spectre knew beforehand that they could not stop the Brothers.

Instead they found out that they could completely WARP the Brothers.

They also found out that they could Obliterate the Brothers, by WARPING them.

Wait does the writer say that the Living Tribunal and Spectre are the Brothers respective cosmic guardians?

Which must mean that they are the Presence and The-One-Above-All

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Wait does the writer say that the Living Tribunal and Spectre are the Brothers respective cosmic guardians?

Which must mean that they are the Presence and The-One-Above-All

Originally posted by Mr Master
Where is it stated they used "all their power?"

If LT & Spectre didn't make a difference,

then why did the Brothers only clash once,

after LT & Spectre interfered in their battle?

They clashed once and the fight stopped.

In Marvel Continuity ... the Infinity Being was Everything, Supreme:

"This Being was the only Living Thing that Existed within Any and ALL Realities"

"ALL That Was and ALL that Was Was it"

Then Thanos says, "I wouldn't blame you for calling it "GOD" ...

What other name would fit?"

(which makes sense)

"ALL That Was Was already Part of Itself ... there was NO Other in it's Life"

"It chose to put an End to itself ...

from it's Ashes rose ALL That is currently Reality ... in ALL it's many forms"

Diana of the Dark Shoppe (in another Universe) basically tells the same tale:

ALL Official and Canon.

So how can the Brothers also have been everything, Supreme?

So no one would be able to tell it anyways.

I totally dissagree.

Instead they found out that they could completely WARP the Brothers.

They also found out that they could Obliterate the Brothers, by WARPING them.

And in the end, while standing head to head with the Brothers, they couldent do anything.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Because they finaly realized their purpose, this was because of Catpain America and Batman.

That wasn't my point, but as you wish.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Thanos and Diana are not omniscient, and this was not a comic character speaking, it was the writers themselves.

I see,

so Thanos really talks?

That's not a Writer writing what Thanos is going to say?

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Maybe the Brothers existed before them, it was even stated that no one actually remembered what happened after the Brothers' fought.

So no one would be able to tell it anyways.

T, what are you talking about?

Marvel vs DC was is and always will be Non-Canon.

In Marvel Continuity the previous Universe was the Infinity Being, period.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Now that's ignoring panel statements.

This is what you posted:

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
if The-One-Above-All and the Presence were separate beings,

they would be beneath them.

And I totally disagree again,

Now,

How am I ignoring "on panel statements?"

Where is it stated on panel (as you say)

that TOAA & Presence were beneath the Brothers?"

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
No, your making it up.

Access said that they could've obliterated the universes,

but the Brothers did that all the time while fighting.

"I'm making stuff up?" confused1

What on earth does this:

Have to do with LT and Spectre MERGING and nearly Obliterating the Brothers?

How the hell am I making that up?

What's the matter with you dogs?

You asked me to REPOST the PROOF of LT & Spectre Merging the Brothers,

I did.

You asked me to REPOST the PROOF of LT & Spectre nearly Obliterating the Brothers,

I did.

Now you come back and tell I'm making the On Panel evidence up?

That's quite disrespectful,

considering how much time I'm putting in to boost your knowledge on this matter.

Not cool.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
And in the end, while standing head to head with the Brothers, they couldent do anything.

That's inconsequential.

The bottom line is,

LT and Spectre MERGED the Brothers.

LT and Spectre nearly Destroyed BOTH Brothers.

Were the Brothers more powerful than LT & Spectre, perhaps, who cares.

The Brothers are NOT and NEVER were TOAA & Presence.

The Brothers aren't even close to being such.

Originally posted by Mr Master
That wasn't my point, but as you wish.

I see,

so Thanos really talks?

That's not a Writer writing what Thanos is going to say?

T, what are you talking about?

Marvel vs DC was is and always will be Non-Canon.

In Marvel Continuity the previous Universe was the Infinity Being, period.

This is what you posted:

And I totally disagree again,

Now,

How am I ignoring "on panel statements?"

Where is it stated on panel (as you say)

that TOAA & Presence were beneath the Brothers?"

"I'm making stuff up?" confused1

What on earth does this:

Have to do with LT and Spectre MERGING and nearly Obliterating the Brothers?

How the hell am I making that up?

What's the matter with you dogs?

You asked me to REPOST the PROOF of LT & Spectre Merging the Brothers,

I did.

You asked me to REPOST the PROOF of LT & Spectre nearly Obliterating the Brothers,

I did.

Now you come back and tell I'm making the On Panel evidence up?

That's quite disrespectful,

considering how much time I'm putting in to boost your knowledge on this matter.

Not cool.

That's inconsequential.

The bottom line is,

LT and Spectre MERGED the Brothers.

LT and Spectre nearly Destroyed BOTH Brothers.

Were the Brothers more powerful than LT & Spectre, perhaps, who cares.

The Brothers are NOT and NEVER were TOAA & Presence.

The Brothers aren't even close to being such.

Access said that the Living Tribunal and Spectre almost destroyed the universes, not the Brothers, but the universes.

So no they didn't almost obliterate the Brothers, the did almost obliterate the universes.
A reasonable explanation would be that the energies released when they merge/dismerge would destroy everything.

Now I don't know how they merged the Brothers, and neither do you, if it was against the Brothers' will or not.
We do know however, that the Living Tribunal and Spectre knew the outcome of their actions (first issue)
And we know that when the Brothers fought, the Living Tribunal and Spectre where beneath their notecing.

And they were stated to be supreme, which would mean that they would top the hierarchy's of Marvel/DC.

Look, I even took the time looking the word up for you.

su·preme1 /səˈprim, sʊ-/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[suh-preem, soo-] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
-adjective
1. highest in rank or authority; paramount; sovereign; chief.
2. of the highest quality, degree, character, importance, etc.: supreme courage.
3. greatest, utmost, or extreme: supreme disgust.
4. last or final; ultimate

Now it's clear that you won't accept this, and you never will. For what reasons I do not know. And until you got a solid proof explanation, so wont I.