Who better to tier heroes . . .?

Originally posted by Martian_mind
He should get there based on versatility alone.He is always shown as a top physical character whilst showing to be atleast in the top 3 telepathic heroes in comicdo.H can phase,turn invisible, has 11 senses,Fairly good energy projection,complete molecular control and has resisted world wide reality warps.

he should be higher.

No, he shouldn't.

He's not the go to guy, and that's basically what the Elite top tier is made of.

The last line of defense.

I know it's not fair, as a fellow fan of MM.

He gets bitched out to DD, Preus, Asmodel, and the list continues.

But that's what happens when you're the cannon fodder buddy. Sucks to be you, ehh?

Originally posted by UniOmni
In what story did he blitz Darkseid?

Wasn't H/P, thats for sure.

YOu mean when He completely Caught DS off guard from behind? Um Yeah that was a blitz. DS couldn't even lift an Omega beam Eyeball in defense. Of course, you have your mind made up the way things should go in order to fit how you see the rankings. Which is fine with me. No need in us discussing anything further.

Originally posted by UniOmni
No, he shouldn't.

He's not the go to guy, and that's basically what the Elite top tier is made of.

The last line of defense.

I know it's not fair, as a fellow fan of MM.

He gets bitched out to DD, Preus, Asmodel, and the list continues.

But that's what happens when you're the cannon fodder buddy. Sucks to be you, ehh?

Getting Bitched To Asmodel is nothing to use. Asmodel Bitches anyone on any of the list we have. And if we go by the forum rules of no PIS which Superman cleary is, Then MM is Superior To Superman.

He was punked in a fist fight against DD,when he didn't phase and then got hit by flame.CIS.

The first time round Asmodel cheapshotted him with a full scream and then Jonn fought him for anoher 7 pages.Thats longer then Supes.

He's also considered one of the most powerful on the planet,there was an entire governement division dedicated to bringing him down.

Go-to-guy?He has been with every incarnation of the JLA....

Oh and I'm not going to argue with you,

Because you are obviously wrong.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
YOu mean when He completely Caught DS off guard from behind? Um Yeah that was a blitz. DS couldn't even lift an Omega beam Eyeball in defense. Of course, you have your mind made up the way things should go in order to fit how you see the rankings. Which is fine with me. No need in us discussing anything further.

That wasn't a blitz tho.

That was Darkseid being stupid, and the writer needing a way to drop him.

If Darkseid was blitzed by DD in that showing, then T^A were blitzed by Surfer in the heralds oneshot.

Which wasn't a blitz.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
He was punked in a fist fight against DD,when he didn't phase and then got hit by flame.CIS.

The first time round Asmodel cheapshotted him with a full scream and then Jonn fought him for anoher 7 pages.Thats longer then Supes.

He's also considered one of the most powerful on the planet,there was an entire governement division dedicated to bringing him down.

Go-to-guy?He has been with every incarnation of the JLA....

As has Ben on the FF.

He's just not the guy to bet on when the chips are down.

He's a powerhouse character, but not an elite top tier.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Go-to-guy?He has been with every incarnation of the JLA....

Originally posted by batdude123
Because he belongs there.

Christ, read the last few pages. Uni's pretty much hit the nail on the head.

And J'onn isn't getting a bump to the elite high tier level anytime soon, so you might as well save it.

If we were making a powerset tier, J'onn would be on top. We're not so he isn't.

I Think DC is victim to too much Jobbering, CIS, and PIS becuz of Superman. We should completely Take him out of the equation when considering other Heroes. More than Likely, If there were no Superman, All of his feats would be replicated by MM, CM, WW, GL's, CA, or some other heroes who if existed in marvel, would be elite Top tiers.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
More than Likely, If there were no Superman, All of his feats would be replicated by MM, CM, WW, GL's, CA, or some other heroes who if existed in marvel, would be elite Top tiers.

Originally posted by Validus
And if my name was Donald Trump, I'd have a bad haircut and own a Ferrari. That's not reality though.

I understand. It's all in your Sig. But Superman is Where PIS comes into play. No way in Hell, half the shit he does around other heroes shouldn't be done by them. How does MM get pwned when Around Superman when he has all those damned powers? Why does WW get hurt so much when around Superman when she can simply deflect or cross her arms as she does in her own comic? How come CM stalemates Superman in Battle and is prolly more Dmg resistant and yet never does half the shit Superman does? How come GL's when fighting Superman dont' just give themselves Kryptonian DNA or rip the Solar Energy right out of him? How come Orion doesn't use his astro Force in the ways he does when he's in his own books. Like magnetism and one shotting galaxies? Superman is DC's own worst enemy when it comes to all other heroes.

Wonder how everyone feels about Mr. M. He was tough to gage.

Transcendent:
Amazo, Black Racer, Blackheart, Circe, Death Urge, Despero, The Doctor, Dr. Fate, Dr. Strange (classic), Eclipso, Elders of the Universe (minus Ego), Fernus, The General (Shaggy Man), Gog, High Evolutionary, Ion (current), The Keeper, King Thor, Mangog, Nightmare, Onimar Synn, Onslaught, Resurrection Man 1 Million, Sentinel (Alan Scott), Silver Age Kryptonians/Daxamites, Stayne, Sun Eater, Superboy Prime, Superman 1 Million, Takion, Tanaraq, Thanos, Tyrant (powered down), Validus

Top-Tier

High Top-Tier:
Adam Warlock, Baron Zemo (w/ Moonstones), Genis-Vell, Green Lantern (Hal, Kyle, Alan), Infinity-Man, Moonstone (w/ both stones), Mr. M, The Silver Surfer, Spartan 3.0, Stardust, Superman, Superman Blue/Red, Thor

Middle Top-Tier:
Alexander Nero, Beta Ray Bill, Binary, Black Adam, Black Bolt, Cable (Full Power), Captain Atom, Captain Marvel (DC), Cyborg Superman, Doomsday, The Eradicator, The Fallen One, Firelord, The Flash III (Wally West), The Flash IV (Bart Allen), General Zod, Gladiator, Green Lantern (Guy, John), Hyperion, Jack of Hearts, Kid Omega, Majestic, Martian Manhunter, Maxima, Mon-El, Morg, Nate Grey, Orion, Quasar, Rachel Summers (Phoenix II), Red Shift, The Sentry, Sersi, Sinestro, Skreet, Supergirl, Supreme, Terrax the Tamer, Void, Waverider, Wildfire, Wonder Woman

Low Top-Tier:
Absorbing Man, Air Walker, Animal Man, Apocalypse, Apollo, Bizarro Superman, Breach, Cassandra Nova, Cir-El, Count Nefaria, Darkness, Darwin, Death Metal, Dr. Invincible, Dr. Light, Dr. Polaris, Drax The Destroyer, Engineer, Etrigan, Exodus, Fin Fang Foom, Firestorm, The Flash II (Barry Allen), Gamora (w/Godslayer), Gilgamesh, Gorilla Grodd, Graviton, He-Man, Hector Hammond, Holocaust, Hulk, Iceman, Isis, Jade, Jericho, Juggernaut (Classic), Kalibak, Lightray, Lobo, Loki, Lunatik, Magneto, Major Force, Makkari, Manchester Black, Mar-Vell, Matrix Supergirl, Meggan, Mongul, Monica Rambeau (Pulsar), Nova (Frankie Raye), Nova Rich Rider (current), Prime, Professor X, Raven, The Ray, Red Tornado, Ronan the Accuser, Saturn Girl, Selene (External), Shadow King, Shaman, Starhawk, Super Skrull, Superboy, Tempest, Ultra Boy, Union, Vulcan, Winter

Mid-Tier

High Mid-Tier:
Abomination, Aquaman, Ares (Marvel), Atlas, Aurora, Blastaar, Blob, Captain Britain, Captain Marvel Jr, Colossus, Donna Troy, Doom, Emma Frost, Ghost Rider II, Grim Reaper, Guardian I, Hercules (Mortal), The Human Torch, Invisible Woman, Iron-Man, Jack Hawksmoor (in city), Jean Grey (sans Phoenix), Juggernaut(Depowered), Kang, Karate Kid, Living Laser, Mandarin, Mary Marvel, Maul, Metallo, Mimic (Exiles), Miss Martian, Mr. Fantastic, Mr. Sinister, Namor the Sub-Mariner, Northstar, Osiris, Pitt, Plastic-Man, Polaris, Power Girl, Psylocke, Sand, Sasquatch, She-Hulk, Starfire, Storm, Temugin, The Thing, Thunderstrike, The Tick, Ulik, Ultimo, Ultron, Vision, War Machine, Wonder Man, Zzaxx

Middle Mid-Tier:
Aegis, Atom Smasher, Attuma, Balder, Beast Boy, Bishop, Blink, Blue Devil, Bombshell, Booster Gold, Box, Carnage, Cloak, Crystal, Cyborg, Cyclops, Dust, Electro, Elijah Snow, Ghost Rider, Grace Choi, Havok, Hawkgirl, Hawkman, Hellion, The Flash I (Jay Garrick), Jenny Sparks, Kymaera/Namorita, Lightning Lad, M.O.D.O.K., Moonstone, Morlun, Ms. Marvel, Nico Minoru, Omega Red, Quicksilver (classic), Radioactive Man, Rogue, Shadow Cat, Shift, Steel, Terra, Thunder, Toxin, Vance Astro, Wonder Girl

Low Mid-Tier:
3-D Man, Ambrose Chase, Angel, Arachne, Arana, Azrael, Beast, Black Canary, Black Tarantula, Blade, Bruenor Battlehammer, Century, Charcoal, Charlie 27, Constrictor, Creeper, Dagger, Death's Head II, Deathlok, Deathstroke the Terminator, Doc Ock, Drizzt Do'Urden, Elixer, Falcon, Firehawk, Gambit, Green Goblin, Hobgoblin, Iron Fist, Jakita Wagner, Karnak, Kid Devil, Killer Croc, Klaw, Lady Deathstrike, Longshot, Luke Cage, Machine Man, Man-Bat, Mercury, Midnighter, Mister Hyde, Molly Hayes, Mysterio, Mystique, Nightcrawler, Nova Richard Rider (classic), Nuke, Orka Humbug, Protocide, Puck, Puma, Rage, Rom, Sabretooth, Shang Chi, Silver Samurai, Speedball, Speedfreek, Spider-Man, Spider-Woman, Swift, Tombstone, Triathalon, Vance Astro, Vanguard, Venom, Vermin, Victor Mancha, Vulture, Wizard, Wolverine, Wulfgar

Low-Tier:

High Low-Tier:
Arsenal/Red Arrow, Bane, Batgirl, Batman, Black Cat, Black Panther, Blacklash, Bronze Tiger, Bullseye, Captain America, The Cat, Daredevil, Elektra, Green Arrow, Hawkeye, Joker, Kingpin, Lady Shiva, Ravager, Red Skull, Richard Dragon, Taskmaster, X-23

Middle Low-Tier:
Baron Zemo, Deadshot, Echo, Grifter, Misty Knight, Moon Knight, Nick Fury, Nightwing, Nomad, Punisher, Ra's Al Ghul, Turok, Wildcat

Low Low-Tier:
Batroc, Black Widow, Catwoman, Colleen Wing, Crossbones, Night Thrasher, Penguin, The Question, Riddler, Robin, Talia, White Tiger

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I understand. It's all in your Sig. But Superman is Where PIS comes into play. No way in Hell, half the shit he does around other heroes shouldn't be done by them.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I understand. It's all in your Sig. But Superman is Where PIS comes into play. No way in Hell, half the shit he does around other heroes shouldn't be done by them. How does MM get pwned when Around Superman when he has all those damned powers? Why does WW get hurt so much when around Superman when she can simply deflect or cross her arms as she does in her own comic? How come CM stalemates Superman in Battle and is prolly more Dmg resistant and yet never does half the shit Superman does? How come GL's when fighting Superman dont' just give themselves Kryptonian DNA or rip the Solar Energy right out of him? How come Orion doesn't use his astro Force in the ways he does when he's in his own books. Like magnetism and one shotting galaxies? Superman is DC's own worst enemy when it comes to all other heroes.

I actually agree, but it is what is is, i repeat.

Superman is the original conventional Superhero, and it bakes my sack that other heroes might be liable to get written down to raise him, but ehh. He is the reason why J'onn and WonderWoman exist.

Do him.

Originally posted by UniOmni
I actually agree, but it is what is is, i repeat.

Superman is the original conventional Superhero, and it bakes my sack that other heroes might be liable to get written down to raise him, but ehh. He is the reason why J'onn and WonderWoman exist.

Do him.

Actually Wonder Woman exist becuz her creator was into bondage and yet he wanted lil girls to have a strong female archetype to look up to. 😛

And for the record, the same argument you're making about Superman can apply to Marvel as well. Quasar would be the go to cosmic hero if Silver Surfer wasn't around. Even when Quasar joined the Avengers, he played second fiddle to Thor and that might have been Masterson Thor (could be mistaken). Ditto for Sersi during her stint in the Avengers and Scarlet Witch as well. Thor was always the man just like Superman is the man in the JLA despite the fact that they sometimes have members who are more powerful on paper.

Originally posted by Validus
And for the record, the same argument you're making about Superman can apply to Marvel as well. Quasar would be the go to cosmic hero if Silver Surfer wasn't around. Even when Quasar joined the Avengers, he played second fiddle to Thor and that might have been Masterson Thor (could be mistaken). Ditto for Sersi during her stint in the Avengers and Scarlet Witch as well. Thor was always the man just like Superman is the man in the JLA despite the fact that they sometimes have members who are more powerful on paper.

Nah. Superman makes everyone in the freaking UNIVERSE jobber. THor only makes people on his team jobber. Superman's PIS jobber aura extends even into books where he doesn't appear. You never see CM doing anything like Superman does. EVEn tho they are held to be equal in strength. Thor only makes His team Jobber. And even then, Hulk still beats his ass in avengers comics.

Marvel just doesn't have the appearances that Superman does.
And the kryptonians best feats are always in his own books.

Let the POS be written today, he'd have his own hefty plethora of feats for the battleboards.

For years, he's only had occasional appearances in the JSA, and the occasional mini. Nobody looks good with that sparce a catalogue.

See Orion and others.

Does Mr.M really have the speed to go in HighTopTier?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Nah. Superman makes everyone in the freaking UNIVERSE jobber. THor only makes people on his team jobber. Superman's PIS jobber aura extends even into books where he doesn't appear. You never see CM doing anything like Superman does. EVEn tho they are held to be equal in strength. Thor only makes His team Jobber. And even then, Hulk still beats his ass in avengers comics.