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Originally posted by pym-ftw
My psychology assessment is based on him consistently no selling, smiling during promos when he is in a serious situation, and generally making jokes that bury the guy he is supposed to be facing...

I honestly hope your joking about Cena carry a match with his story telling abilities or lack there of. Cena only knows one story and that is the Rey Mysterio style underdog comeback but its irrational to expect people to view him as an underdog when that guy goes years without losing clean.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
My psychology assessment is based on him consistently no selling, smiling during promos when he is in a serious situation, and generally making jokes that bury the guy he is supposed to be facing...

I honestly hope your joking about Cena carry a match with his story telling abilities or lack there of. Cena only knows one story and that is the Rey Mysterio style underdog comeback but its irrational to expect people to view him as an underdog when that guy goes years without losing clean.

Cena's selling is inconsistent, and terribly so, but when he does sell well, he's fine imo. Does he do enough of it? No, but he's not as bad as, say, Roman Reigns, who can't take a bump without fixing his damn hair.

The whole "happy promo" thing is just his gimmick. It didn't bother guys who were good enough on the mic. Punk, Wyatt etc, just kept going, and they were fine imo. Cena has buried people in the past, but the whole "disrespectful promo" thing is something he's been doing since the Thugonomics days. And HHH was brilliant on Raw when he was calling him on it, I thought.

I don't view him as the underdog at all anymore, and that's the fault of the WWE. Vince, Kevin Dunn or whoever. The way he just, out of nowhere, sprung up, knocked down Kane and Orton, and practically jumped up the ladder was pretty ****ing annoying to me.

Sorry for the rant, but I still disagree about the psychology part, especially where it pertains to the ability to tell a story in the ring. Sure, Cena does need to be carried to it at times, but when someone brings out the best in him (Punk, RVD @ ONS 06), he's awesome.

Just don't make him fight ****ing Orton again. God dammit, they're shit together.

Okay, that last sentence i definitely agree with. 👆

Cena and Orton can be good,(2009 fued) when they need to.

I don't mind their feuds in terms of promos and such. They're both good at their respective characters.

When it comes to their matches though, I tend to dislike them. They're not always terrible, but I think they lack a real compatibility in the ring. They both need a certain kind of wrestler to get the best out of them, and I don't think they're the right guys to wrestle each other.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Cena's selling is inconsistent, and terribly so, but when he does sell well, he's fine imo. Does he do enough of it? No, but he's not as bad as, say, Roman Reigns, who can't take a bump without fixing his damn hair.

The whole "happy promo" thing is just his gimmick. It didn't bother guys who were good enough on the mic. Punk, Wyatt etc, just kept going, and they were fine imo. Cena has buried people in the past, but the whole "disrespectful promo" thing is something he's been doing since the Thugonomics days. And HHH was brilliant on Raw when he was calling him on it, I thought.

I don't view him as the underdog at all anymore, and that's the fault of the WWE. Vince, Kevin Dunn or whoever. The way he just, out of nowhere, sprung up, knocked down Kane and Orton, and practically jumped up the ladder was pretty ****ing annoying to me.

Sorry for the rant, but I still disagree about the psychology part, especially where it pertains to the ability to tell a story in the ring. Sure, Cena does need to be carried to it at times, but when someone brings out the best in him (Punk, RVD @ ONS 06), he's awesome.

Just don't make him fight ****ing Orton again. God dammit, they're shit together.

I think WWE is lacking guys that can really carry a match anymore. Id say the few who can like Bryan, Cesaro, & Sheamus are a dying breed.

That is sad because despite being robotic Orton is still an amazing in ring talent, with top tier ring psychology.
★★★★★★★★★★★★

What do you guys think of the sheamus vs wyatt short fued? i like both but they feel very awkward imho like they just don't mesh.

No Sheamus and Wyatt dont mesh at all.

Orton can put on a good match. I just dont like his character since last year. Heel. Good. Suck up to HHH heel. Not good.
Also, he and Cena dont seem to gel anymore. I actually noticed that in. The last few tag matches they've been in.

Reigns is awesome. And he will NOT blow a quad in one move after coming back from a torn bicep!

Im talking about prime Nash, aka big Daddy Cool Diesel.

Cena & Orton never really had good normal matches, honestly Khali vs Nikki Bella would seem passable in a hell in the cell.

Some call him Botch Cara... Some call him Sin Botchy. Either way, he was ****ing ridiculous.

YouTube video

Hahaha! I hate that guy. Waste of WWE money.

As to Pym's Big Daddy Cool comparison: dont see it.

I agree if you mean Misticio, but Hunico is the man

Google" Jim Cornette Kevin Nash" that will pretty much explain my feelings on Reigns.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I don't mind their feuds in terms of promos and such. They're both good at their respective characters.

Originally posted by -Pr-
When it comes to their matches though, I tend to dislike them. They're not always terrible, but I think they lack a real compatibility in the ring. They both need a certain kind of wrestler to get the best out of them, and I don't think they're the right guys to wrestle each other.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Some call him Botch Cara... Some call him Sin Botchy. Either way, he was ****ing ridiculous.

YouTube video

Originally posted by pym-ftw
I agree if you mean Misticio, but Hunico is the man

Google" Jim Cornette Kevin Nash" that will pretty much explain my feelings on Reigns.

Caught a quick Cornette rant on Nash.
You saying Reigns has six moves, no talent, and is being pushed regardless?
I can see why you'd say that.
I'm not that smart s mark though. I enjoy his character.

Originally posted by riv6672
Caught a quick Cornette rant on Nash.
You saying Reigns has six moves, no talent, and is being pushed regardless?
I can see why you'd say that.
I'm not that smart s mark though. I enjoy his character.

Nash had 9

Hmmm.

Brett Hart, Shawn Michaels, Daniel Bryan, Randy Orton, CM Punk...all have 5-6 moves of doom....i could keep going.
Most every wrestler in the last 20 years do.

I'm reminded of something my spouse saw on her Facebook:

Its cool that you dont like the guy. Just say so!

Originally posted by riv6672
Hmmm.

Brett Hart, Shawn Michaels, Daniel Bryan, Randy Orton, CM Punk...all have 5-6 moves of doom....i could keep going.
Most every wrestler in the last 20 years do.

I'm reminded of something my spouse saw on her Facebook:

Its cool that you dont like the guy. Just say so!

Except that there are matches, a good number actually, where Cena offers almost no offense after the first two minutes, then busts out a FNS, then after a quick exchange pops out an AA. Match over, and Cena is the winner even though he's spent the majority of the match as the punching bag. He's better than that, and it needs to stop.

Michaels, Bryan, Hart, Orton, Punk, Rock, Austin etc, all spend their matches with far more back and forth on average than Cena does.

There hasn't been a face that was that ridiculous since Hogan.

The worst part is, Cena isn't a bad wrestler. His moveset is actually decent, but they limit it intentionally, whether it's Vince or Kevin Dunn telling him not to do those moves. Remember that suplex-neckbreaker he started doing last year? Has he done that recently?

That said, Reigns is just as ****ing bad, but that's more down to having an actual smaller moveset.

I was just calling him on the move set.
Thats what he sent me looking for on YouTube, so i answered him.

You have perfectly valid, different points, to which i can only say it comes down to what you find personally interesting.
Cena has, by your description a style thats similar to Rey Mysterio. Its a LOT more believable in Rey's case though.
Cena is what he is. The American Hero. Its how his character's written. I like a good come from behind baby face as much as i do a bad ass like Reigns, for different reasons.
Not everyone does, and i get it.

Originally posted by riv6672
I was just calling him on the move set.
Thats what he sent me looking for on YouTube, so i answered him.

You have perfectly valid, different points, to which i can only say it comes down to what you find personally interesting.
Cena has, by your description a style thats similar to Rey Mysterio. Its a LOT more believable in Rey's case though.
Cena is what he is. The American Hero. Its how his character's written. I like a good come from behind baby face as much as i do a bad ass like Reigns, for different reasons.
Not everyone does, and i get it.

All the best babyfaces had that "come from behind to win" thing going for them, though. Cena's is just far too exaggerated.

Watch the Rock during his feud with Trips back in 00. There are matches where Triple H practically dominates (plenty through cheating), but there are several spots where they show Rock building momentum and trying to get back in the match, only to be flattened. Yet he's still putting up a fight. He wins because he held on, because he pushed through all the shit that was happening, and those few moments of brilliance chipped away at HHH's resistance.

Compare that to say, Cena vs Miz in the I Quit match at Over The Limit.

The match is basically Miz and Alex Riley prison-raping Cena for like, 90% of the match. Then Cena somehow pulls a win out of his ass.

There's overcoming adversity, and then there's being ridiculous. When Cena does the former, he's great. When he does the latter, which I feel he does to a greater degree, it only helps to fuel the hate against him.

Cena with his faults though, is far ahead of Reigns. Reigns is improving, and you can tell that they're working on his promos, but the guy needs to get out of the whole "if i'm not doing my signature moves, I'm a punching bag" mentality.

Originally posted by TheHulk
I call this safe mode.

Please explain.

In entertainment being safe has rarely produced anything of greatness,

In wrestling this fact is especially true.