Good thing, I'll rank her as knowing a few moves from some forms, good thing you're NOT an authority on interpretation.
Thats nice, you seem to think I care.
What a moron, your ignorance is evident. You don't even know how he died. For all you know there were 500 thugs that killed him before he unleashed a thought bomb. My point is youre making ridiculous assumptions that are irrelevant.
Um what the hell are you talking about? Here's how he dies
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Gorm-worm.JPG
He takes about 4 thugs.
Nice Job though.
And/
And your a retard.
Yes, I defeated your argument aka I'm a poor debater . Someone else defeats your argument and I'm sucking their dicks. Your denial is amusing, so are your sad debating abilities.
He finally admits it.
I'm done with you, your on the Ignored list so respond if you want. I'm gonna wait for a response from the real debaters, like Nai.
Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
Thats nice, you seem to think I care.
Um what the hell are you talking about? Here's how he dieshttp://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Gorm-worm.JPG
He takes about 4 thugs.
Nice Job though.
And your a retard.
I'm done with you, your on the Ignored list so respond if you want. I'm gonna wait for a response from the real debaters, like Nai. [/B]
Originally posted by Apollo Cloud
Yes you did, it was when we were discussing Kas'im, and you brought up all these people who had mastered multiple forms, and if memory serves me correctly, those people were Yoda, Mace Windu, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Tulak Hord and indeed The Exile (might respark your memory). But whatever, continue with these not so witty retorts as you please.
I surely never did site Tulak Hord or the Exile as people who learned multiple forms. Because I, unlike you, don't discuss unknowns.
Despite the fact that he couldn't possibly have trained purely by himself, and the fact that whenever he carried out his Jedi missions for the Order, he went away and left Nomi and Vima behind. There's also the fact that Nomi was 100% against being a Jedi, so I doubt she would have put any effort into paying attention into Andur's training, it's much more likely that she would have actually put effort into not paying attention into such a thing, given how badly she was against becoming a Jedi. Really, what you're arguing is a huge unsupported assumption, there's nothing to suggest that she would have picked up anything from Andur while he had been a Knight. There's also the fact that the context in which it's stated in the comic is purely to put emphasis on how prodigious Nomi Sunrider was, so if she'd simply recalled stuff that her husband had been doing, it wouldn't quite have the same effect that the comic was trying to relay, don't you think? And really, let's pretend that this is the Nai Fohl Land, and Nomi Sunrider really had observed some of Andur's training sessions: do you really think she would have retained anything? Given that she wouldn't have had any clue what he was doing, and thus wouldn't be able to relate to the practise sessions, I doubt her observations would have been strong enough that she'd retain them in times of duress.
I was merely remarking upon the fact that there is a difference between a trained warrior and and somebody who wields a weapon for the first time. No matter how much of a prodigy Nomi Sunrider was. A fully trained master of the weapon would still take her out. Even talent, even as great as Nomi's, does have it's limitations.
We can keep arguing that back and forth. But in no way can somebody simply pick up a weapon and, without prior knowledge, handle it exactly like a master who trained combat with that certain weapon over years and decades. It's simply not possible. Yet Nomi's feat in lightsaber combat are rather limited - or did you see her outduel anybody ? The "lightsaber ownage" in the TOTJ comics is clearly left to Kun and Ulic.
How is that not the case? Nomi Sunrider quite clearly was letting the force guide her movements. What don't you get about her wielding her saber like a true master the very first time she picked one up? You're twisting canon sources here, and it's making you look extremely silly, given how black and white it is in this case. She wielded her saber like a true master, not like someone who was very proficient with a saber, but like a true master, that's all there is to it, deal with it.
With the expanded knowledge about the lightsaber forms that we do pocess today, a decade after the TOTJ comics were written - do you really consider it possible that somebody picks up a lightsaber and wields it like a "true master" ? You have to take into consideration that at the point in time were that line was written, there were no lightsaber forms. Lightsaber combat was pretty much some variation of Katana swordfighting
I don't want to argue that Nomi Sunrider wasn't impressive or talented when it came to lightsaber combat. The point is that she would miss the results of years / decade long training that other lightsaber combatants do possess. The same is naturally the case with the Exile. Watching some movements or knowing which end of the lightsaber you need to stab into the next enemy isn't the same thing as mastering lightsaber combat or a certain form.
I want a source, page number, and quote (along with the passage that the quote appears in) for all of this, because you've been known to lie about things in the past (example - Mace fully creating Vaapad by the age of 13), and IIRC, his power capabilities within this state were unknown.
Oh my. Where was the lie about Mace creating Vaapad when he was thirteen ? Do I really have to give you a lection in SW history again ? It's a known fact that Mace became a Jedi Master and Council Member at the age of 28, correct ? It's also a known fact that to receive this position somebody must have sucessfully trained another person to Jedi Knight status. We know that Mace did train Depa Billaba and taught her Vaapad in that days. Now use some logic. As the average training of somebody to Jedi Knight status takes at least 13 years (Anakin, Mace himself), at least with the guidelines of the PT Jedi Order, we can safely say that Mace must have started to train Depa when he was 13 or 14 years old. And as he, at the same time, was capable of teaching her Vaapad he must indeed have designed that style before. As you might have noticed he obviously start practicing that art immediatly after constructing his first own lightsaber (age 14) which again means, that he had to design that style before that point in time. Or do you have a source saying something different ?
And for Luke you have to check the Black Fleet trilogy (the last book). I don't have it at hand but it descripes point "a" and "b" of my previous argument pretty much. Luke is learning from the Falanassi. One of them, being a far lesser force user than Luke, simply makes herself invisible and completely unsenseable via the force in less than a second and then escapes from Luke's ship. Luke learned that technique. The "loop" thing is also descriped there. Luke simply closes his eyes for a few seconds and then renders a complete planet and a pretty huge spaceship invisible. Then he says that this will remain like that for an infinite amount of time while he doesn't have to focus on it any longer.
And really, given how you downplay the fact that Darth Nihilus is naturally always in this state, I find it funny how you make such a big deal out of it when Luke's involved.
Given how I asked you to proof that Darth Nihilus is hard to sense in the force or even "invisible" or "unsenseable" two times and you utterly failed to do so, I will you tell you for the third time that this idea is just a construct of your imagination. Obviously all people in KotoR 2 are capable of sensing the Exiles nature through the force (Kreia, the Jedi Masters) meaning that they can sense the Exile which isn't different from Nihilus. And just to remind you: Wounds in the force are pretty apparent and well recognizeable. Leia stumbling across a phenomenon like that was simply knocked out by the feelings of loss and pain it was radiating. Means: You're trying to hand us bullshit you made up as fact.
Entire armies? If you're referring to TUF, doesn't he only slaughter one army? Without having many problems? By the time he was done, wasn't it actually noted how fatigued he was? If so, I'd say it's safe to say that he likely had to put a tad bit of effort into it.
Oh my.
-> in SotE he's hacking his way through a nice amount of Black Sun members and bounty hunters
-> in Trace of Bakura he takes it up with a an army of Ssi'ruuk
-> in the NJO he slaughters through the Vong HQ with apparent ease
-> in the DN trilogy he has to deal with a nice amount of Killiks
And back to the NJO scenary. He's descriped as a "maelstrom" of power who's movement only appear at blurs to Jacen and Jaina who did pretty much only watch their uncle doing most of the work himself while they have a pretty much hard time following him (not to mention the other troops who fall back rather far behind the three Jedi). Yet Luke is still able to take it up with Shimmra after that who is at least in one league with somebody like Kar Vastor (if not even more dangerous than him). Sure he's a little bit tired there but aside from the fact that we won't have had a real showdown, had he simply tooled Shimmra with his force powers, killing an army of being who can only hardly be affected with the force and do possess lightsaber resistant weapons and armour is pretty much a testament for Luke's skills. Especially if you consider how he took the slayers out (that were seven at once, correct ?) when other Jedi (like Kyp Durron) obviously had problems taking out one of them.
Yet what did Krayt and Bane do that comes even remotely close to such an action, hmm ? The mere fact that Luke did defeat DE Sidious in a lightsaber duel, who was more powerful than ROTS Sidious who - at this time - was already more powerful than Bane is actually enough to show you, who is the better force user here. DE Luke would be able to defeat Bane most likely. His NJO version would destroy Bane on the spot.
The arguments have already been made, I can't be arsed to present them again, I was just wondering why you were of the opinion that Luke would beat them with such ease, when he struggled against Lady "I'm a cyborg, ergo I suck" Lumiya.
Yeah. Your famous Bane fanboy arguments have also been destroyed multiple time here as well as over at the EOD. I wonder why you still want to stick with them. And wow...he held back against Lumiya as you should pretty well know. Simply look how he actually defeated Raynar who was attacking him with the combined force powers of millions of beings (in that case 275 worlds filled with Killiks and joiners). Luke simply shrugged a force attack powered up with this off like it was nothing. I wonder what Bane or Krayt should come up with to actually overpower him.
Right, because I'm totally biased towards Krayt. 🙄
In this situation, yes, you are.
The fact is, when you have people like Lumiya being made a match for Luke (granted under extremely advantageous circumstances),
You nailed it on the head: under extremely advantageous circumstances. Luke expressed restraint throughout the entire debacle. We learn from the latest book in the series (Exile) that he had no desire to kill her. We knew during the duel that Lumiya maneuvered herself in between the pedestrians, forcing Luke to restrain himself. To top it off - they attacked him as well! Yet, instead of hacking away, he disabled them. She was attacking him with full effort, and only wounded him when Mara was distracted.
And this is the self-proclaimed Sith Lady capable of summoning Force Phantoms that are "a fair match" for Luke himself with her mind. I'd say she is considerably powerful.
Put the circumstances in perspective before you comment, Nebaris.
it's not that hard to believe that someone with centuries worth of experience, training and learning under the ways of the force, saber resistant armour, and the ability to tool 6 powerful force users with a saber couldn't possibly give Luke a hard time.
According to you, someone like Yoda (who has much more experience, training, and learning in the ways of the Force than Krayt) wouldn't give someone like Bane [who is weaker than both Luke and DE Sidious] a hard time (I believed you said that Bane would "own" him) yet Krayt suddenly can give Luke a hard time?
My advice? Quit with the double standards. RotS Sidious tooled three of the best swordsmen in the Order's history in seconds and - according to you - held back against Mace. I guess he'd own Krayt as well and give Bane a hard time (even though, as Nai has concluded, the continuity seems to think that Sidious > Bane as of PT).
But it doesn't matter. RotS Sidious > Krayt, and I don't see RotS Sidious really giving Luke that hard of a time. So, Luke would manhandle Krayt and then take out Bane.
Luke wins.
Originally posted by vader11
Enough joking, one on one, that means no one helps him😆
Exactly...
Bane couldn't beat Luke ten on one.
^ This comment was made by Jollyjim in reference to "could Bane beat Luke, one-on-one". I was adding a further joke to this, declaring that Bane couldn't do so even if he had the full support of the Galactic Empire.
I've wasted sixty seconds of my life trying to explain this joke to you.
Originally posted by vader11
Ofcoz I understand, but your logic is wrong😆
Is there a problem? Did you completely miss the point of the joke? The joke is that there is no way Bane can beat Luke without support, thus, saying "no, he can't take him one on one". Instead of parroting this, however, I made a jest about it.
Jesus. Why don't you go debate with Kadesh or something, 'cuz you're not worth my time.
