Agreed, the rushed pacing I didn't care for either.
Kirk's Captain-hood was kinda silly too, but I doubt a movie which spanned several years of Kirk's time as a lesser officer would sell.
Pike made him CO because he believed in him/Kirk's father, a bit of a stretch, yes. I'm guessing the Federation bumped him officially to Captain because he saved the Earth.
Originally posted by RobtardSpoiler:
Those ships flew into a trap(as Kirk mentioned), they had their shields down, so one future torpedo would probably be enough to destroy or incapacitate them..
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That's plausible and I buy it. However, why would they go in with their shields down when Vulcan is under attack? Other than that, your logic is sound and we are going with that.
Originally posted by RobtardSpoiler:
Doubt it's self repairing, but it has a crew, so they could have done some repairs. It could have had ablative armor, as ships from that century do, Defiant Class, Sovereign Class etc, do. It's also from the future, so it's hull is most likely made of superior materials that can resist old-tech weapons, just another possibility..
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The comic for the movie indicates that it does self heal. It is a prequel comic. They adpated some borg technology for the Narada so it self repairs. Obviously, not nearly to the extent Borg cubes do. But it does repair itself. I assume it is accomplished by reprogrammed nanoprobes.
Originally posted by Robtard[/B]Spoiler:) flew a ship up it's ass and it survived, bodes well for just how durable it is. So it stands to reason that shields or no shields, 22nd weapons don't do much damage to it.
Kirk's father([b]who's officially the McClane of the 22nd century
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I'm not trying to be a dick..but it's the 23rd Century. 😄No one is denying that it wasn't durable. However, we do see it take damage. It is also huge...so there is much more ship to damage. Also, there is no point to the spindly things, that I can see, other than making it look cool. Whereas, the Starfleet ships are making excellent use of the space on their ships.
Originally posted by RobtardSpoiler:
Are you certain it didn't have shields?.
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Quite certain...from a certain point of view. The ships from the 24th century, including romulan vessels a la TNG, had the new and improved shields. Also, since the ship does take damage from the weapons, we can assume that the shields are just as useless as the ones starfleet is using. Namely, just for space travel. Where is they egg shell shields seen in the 24th century? It's not there. Starfleet did make advances in shielding technology. The ones they are using in this movie are the contouring ones. We don't see the ellipsoid shield thingies that were contemporary shielding technology from the late 24th century where the Narada is from.
Originally posted by RobtardSpoiler:
Not certain what kinds of planet-based defenses were around in that century, possible they didn't have anything that would have worked. Not sure though.
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There should have been tons of ships, both space based, and on Earth. Ready to go. Also, the whole thing about Captain Pike and the "codes" so Nero could get throug the Earth's shields. The shields are so damn strong that even Nero's high yield torps would have been useless.Still, why would the Earth be left Defenseless?
Originally posted by RobtardSpoiler:
I think you're reading too much into it, it's sci-fi and it's Star Trek.
No, the writers usually do an excellent job of writing and avoiding PIS. (Not really, but they do decent enough.) Example is when the Dominion and Federation were at war and Earth was attacked. Better explained than what happened in this movie.
Also,
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Originally posted by Ace of Knaves
I will likely buy it and add it to my Trek DVD collection, but I won't go see it again in the theater. Not only were there a half hour of commercials (only the last 8 minutes of which were trailers and the rest being car commercials, Coke commercials and Insurance commercials) but the mouth-breather behind me felt the need to tell her husband whether she would or would not go to see this movie or that one and exactly why she did or didn't want to go.
That sounds, crappy. Talkative tards can ruin a film. At the theater I go to, there aren't very many commericals, if any, and plenty of nice previews...but I've been to much worse than you describe and it ruins the entire experience.
Originally posted by Robtard
Agreed, the rushed pacing I didn't care for either.Kirk's Captain-hood was kinda silly too, but I doubt a movie which spanned several years of Kirk's time as a lesser officer would sell.
Pike made him CO because he believed in him/Kirk's father, a bit of a stretch, yes. I'm guessing the Federation bumped him officially to Captain because he saved the Earth.
I enjoyed the movie, but I think the rushing was a neccesity despite not caring for it. I think the next one will be fantastic since explaining the reboot is over and the series can now focus on the the more traditional Trek formula. (Although I certainly look forward to well-handled departures from that forumla) So, I think that these movies will only get better. I will say I was pleasantly suprised by JJ Abrams work on this film. I have a sincere dislike for Lost and I've never seen Cloverfield, so I'm convinced based only on this film that perhaps the Trek universe will be safe in his hands.
DDM,
Don't believe they knew an attack was happening, just that a distress signal had been sent. Hence Kirk's deduction and subsequent saving of...
Never read the comic, but that explains it's durability and [possibly] lack of conventional shielding.
22, 23, 24... I lose track.
Yeah, didn't care for those things either, made no sense, like those giant F-40 wings Honda racer boys put on their Honda Civics. Similar with how the Scimitar looked. I prefer the utilitarian approach.
The uber-defense platform might have been the reason there was a lack of ships, would make [some] sense. Still, those ships would have been useless and the Federation wasn't at war at this particular time.
Originally posted by dadudemonSpoiler:
That's plausible and I buy it. However, why would they go in with their shields down when Vulcan is under attack? Other than that, your logic is sound and we are going with that.
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Like robtard said .. didn't they have merely a global emergency from Vulcan reported or something like that, and it was only just Kirk who figured out it was an actual attack, which he was then trying to convey frantically despite the inability to talk right? Huh .. I thought that was how they explained the other ships going in shieldless .. but I could be mistaken .. gonna have to go see it again 😉
Originally posted by SilkeSpoiler:
Like robtard said .. didn't they have merely a global emergency from Vulcan reported or something like that, and it was only just Kirk who figured out it was an actual attack, which he was then trying to convey frantically despite the inability to talk right? Huh .. I thought that was how they explained the other ships going in shieldless .. but I could be mistaken .. gonna have to go see it again 😉
Lulz, the sacrifices of having to sit through movie again, right. 😆
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but why would they go in with their shields down? Why wouldn't they approach cautiously? They were sent their to rescue the Vulcans from the "danger". Now, I could understand if it were a sub-warp civilization, but this is the damn Vulcans we're talking about, man. If their home planet is sending out a distress call, you had better believe it's some serious shit. I would have felt better had the mentioned that they deployed the mining thing AFTER those ships came. Also, I would have liked it better if that mining vessel wasn't that, a mining vessel. It would have been much better if it were a new class of Romulan starship. Then, all of the attacks would be much more believable with the cloaking abilities of a yet-to-be seen Romulan ship. Also, it being a military ship makes it much more believable, when it comes to taking out the other ships. The hole to the planet core could be done with some continuous phaser blast. We've seen them used like drills before in TNG when the enterprise tries to stabalize a planet's tectonic plates by some controlled blasts in to that planet's crust.
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I think that the 1st 'motion picture' might offer some insight into why they warped out shieldless.Remember the incident, when the matter/anti matter mix was off in the engines and the nacelles created a wormhole...?
To escape imminent collision, in the end they fired photon torpedoes to drain the energy neccessary to sustain warp in order to slow back down again.
So, maybe in the 22nd century the procedure for a similarly dynamiced reason, they have to warp to the battlefield THEN activate their shields.
(Which'd be really bad news having to warp into a battle against ship from the future with advanced weapon systems and durability.)
Just watched it.
Not a lot to say really. It was good. It could very well be (and i'm sure it will be) the breath of life that the franchise sorely needed.
Karl Urban was great as McCoy. It was scary how much of DeForest Kelley's mannerisms he got pitch perfect.
It's not THE best trek film, imo, but it's up there.
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vulcan is one of the core worlds in the federation. it's close to earth. the chance that anything would attack vulcan so deep within federation territory doesn't cross the minds of starfleet captains (at least until the dominion war). plus, it was a natural disaster (or so they thought). that means shields aren't an absolute necessity until they arrive in system and assess the damage. plus, shields take up a hell of a lot of power.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Just read the Javier Bardham/Khan suggestion:That was as genius a casting idea as getting Quinto in for Spock was.
Fingers crossed that they "Make it so."
Perhaps an online petition...?
Letters to the studio...? This has to happen...!!!!
Lulz.
I'll sign the petition. 🙂
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I'm not buying the natural disaster thing, either. The Vulcans, at the time, have some of the best technology around. As if they wouldn't know that a massive ship is sending it's penis to penetrate Vulcan. And it was a distress call about being under attack...which stil doesn't bode well when you consider that the Vulcans had plenty of military. It would be "illogical" to move every last ship away from Vulcan when they had enemies. And I don't buy that shield explanation. I also don't feel like watching of the TOS to find an example when Kirk goes in with shields up. I don't even remember the vast majaority of those episodes...I was a wee laddy whe I saw them.
I really really look forward to the next film. I liked the smart ass comments made by Kirk throughout. And I cheered when Bones said, "Damnit Jim, I'm a doctor, not a physicist." Good movie. Great nostalgia.
Damon Lindelhof revealed in a LOST related interview that the writers are already going for it with getting "Star Trek 2" together and that he is writing with them.
He stressed that the studio was keen to follow up fast and capitalise on the creamy smooth ST goodness that was the (new) first one.
So its officially on.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Damon Lindelhof revealed in a LOST related interview that the writers are already going for it with getting "Star Trek 2" together and that he is writing with them.He stressed that the studio was keen to follow up fast and capitalise on the creamy smooth ST goodness that was the (new) first one.
So its officially on.
Good. Yeah, I hope it isn't too rushed or we get something absurdly commerical like Crystal Skull.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Just read the Javier Bardham/Khan suggestion:That was as genius a casting idea as getting Quinto in for Spock was.
Fingers crossed that they "Make it so."
Perhaps an online petition...?
Letters to the studio...? This has to happen...!!!!
Yeah, he would be prefect, can Imagine him now, cocky, arrogant and domineering; all traits deserved.
They'd have to diverge greatly from 'Space Seed' and 'Wrath of Khan' storylines, as to not give us more of the same.
Have some other ship besides the Enterprise (maybe not even Federation?) find the Botany Bay adrift, where they unfreeze Khan from statis and he does what he does best, wreck havoc which sets off a chain of events that Kirk has to counter.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Damon Lindelhof revealed in a LOST related interview that the writers are already going for it with getting "Star Trek 2" together and that he is writing with them.He stressed that the studio was keen to follow up fast and capitalise on the creamy smooth ST goodness that was the (new) first one.
So its officially on.
I cannot wait...
2 questions.. 1st.. Since Shatner was whiny over not being in this, would he have even worked?
2nd, now that the sequel has been greenlit, who do you guys and gals think may be in the sequel?
Originally posted by dadudemon
Lulz.I'll sign the petition. 🙂
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I'm not buying the natural disaster thing, either. The Vulcans, at the time, have some of the best technology around. As if they wouldn't know that a massive ship is sending it's penis to penetrate Vulcan. And it was a distress call about being under attack...which stil doesn't bode well when you consider that the Vulcans had plenty of military. It would be "illogical" to move every last ship away from Vulcan when they had enemies. And I don't buy that shield explanation. I also don't feel like watching of the TOS to find an example when Kirk goes in with shields up. I don't even remember the vast majaority of those episodes...I was a wee laddy whe I saw them.I really really look forward to the next film. I liked the smart ass comments made by Kirk throughout. And I cheered when Bones said, "Damnit Jim, I'm a doctor, not a physicist." Good movie. Great nostalgia.
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vulcan doesn't have ships orbiting it, because it's deep within federation space. by kirk's time, earth and vulcan were protected by starfleet, who didn't station ships at those planets unless they were there for transport, repairs, or construction.
Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
I cannot wait...2 questions.. 1st.. Since Shatner was whiny over not being in this, would he have even worked?
2nd, now that the sequel has been greenlit, who do you guys and gals think may be in the sequel?
shatner was whiny?
Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
I cannot wait...2 questions.. 1st.. Since Shatner was whiny over not being in this, would he have even worked?
2nd, now that the sequel has been greenlit, who do you guys and gals think may be in the sequel?
Dunno, maybe Kirk'll no longer be killed by Malcolm McDowell and will then be free to come back in time etc.
Hope they leave the time thing be for now though.
Best not to overdo it.
Originally posted by Robtard
Yeah, he would be prefect, can Imagine him now, cocky, arrogant and domineering; all traits deserved.They'd have to diverge greatly from 'Space Seed' and 'Wrath of Khan' storylines, as to not give us more of the same.
Have some other ship besides the Enterprise (maybe not even Federation?) find the Botany Bay adrift, where they unfreeze Khan from statis and he does what he does best, wreck havoc which sets off a chain of events that Kirk has to counter.
Begin writing the screenplay...immediately. 😛