Star Trek XI & Sequel News Thread

Started by Robtard38 pages

One thing of interest that the

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alternate reality
offers and considering it's Kirk's Enterprise in the early days.

The next movie (or 3rd etc.) could be with Khan as the villain, we could have Khan back, wrecking havoc and flexing his uber pectoral muscles. How sweet would that be?

Considering the

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time-line is altered, the Enterprise (or other ship) could encounter the Botany Bay [again] and set off another chain of events.

Here's hoping they don't cast Dwayne Johnson as Khan, if they take that path.

Originally posted by Robtard
One thing of interest that the
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alternate reality
offers and considering it's Kirk's Enterprise in the early days.

The next movie (or 3rd etc.) could be with Khan as the villain, we could have Khan back, wrecking havoc and flexing his uber pectoral muscles. How sweet would that be?

Considering the

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time-line is altered, the Enterprise (or other ship) could encounter the Botany Bay [again] and set off another chain of events.

Here's hoping they don't cast Dwayne Johnson as Khan, if they take that path.

That would be cool.

Another question:

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Sense Pike was the caption of the new ship Enterprise, did The Cage ever take place? Will Kirk run into that planet?

My guess is that they will not have anything to do with the old shows.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That would be cool.

Another question:

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Sense Pike was the caption of the new ship Enterprise, did The Cage ever take place? Will Kirk run into that planet?

No, it wouldn't have. Did you notice how they gave a shout-out to the TOS fans when Pike was

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rolled out in a wheelchair?

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Only thing that would remain unchanged in the Star Trek universe would be what happened in the show Enterprise (and before).

edit:Which would mean most of the Klingon race would be afflicted with the Augment virus and would be the more human-looking type.

Originally posted by Robtard
No, it wouldn't have. Did you notice how they gave a shout-out to the TOS fans when Pike was
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rolled out in a wheelchair?
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Only thing that would remain unchanged in the Star Trek universe would be what happened in the show Enterprise (and before).

I did notice. 😄

Well, I really enjoyed the movie. I rank it with WOK and FC. I was a bit iffy on the change in continuity but the great thing about sci-fi is time travel and retcons. That said, it won't in any way mar the new franchise for me. The actors were more than equal to filling the roles, especially Karl Urban, who really surprised me with his portrayal of Dr. McCoy. I was impressed with the cast, effects, and the song choices. Hearing

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The Beastie Boys singing Sabotage
while a young Kirk was joy riding in the vintage Vette was great. I liked the homages paid to TOS regarding the banter between characters also.

I'll give it an A- grade.

Originally posted by Robtard
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edit:Which would mean most of the Klingon race would be afflicted with the Augment virus and would be the more human-looking type.

That is an interesting point, however, I doubt they will use the

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Human looking Klingons. The make up is just too much fun.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That is an interesting point, however, I doubt they will use the
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Human looking Klingons. The make up is just too much fun.

They don't technically have too, as not all Klingons were infected, just a large percentage of the population on Kronos and some colonies. See: Enterprise Ep. Affliction

They could do the ultimate awesome tribute and have both.

ST beat the shit outta Wolverine at the box office.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/

1 N Star Trek Par. $75,204,289 - 3,849 - $19,539 $79,204,289 - 1
2 1 X-Men Origins: Wolverine Fox $26,408,288 -69.0% 4,102 +3 $6,438 $129,032,435 $150 2

Originally posted by The Nuul
ST beat the shit outta Wolverine at the box office.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/

1 N Star Trek Par. $75,204,289 - 3,849 - $19,539 $79,204,289 - 1
2 1 X-Men Origins: Wolverine Fox $26,408,288 -69.0% 4,102 +3 $6,438 $129,032,435 $150 2

Wolverine did better in it's opening weekend.

😐

You're comparing apples and oranges.

Now to test it's staying power at the top would be comparable...but is any movie coming this Friday that is going to be as big as Star Trek or X-men? I think not. Meaning, that's an unfair comparison.

Robtard,

There would have been

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a massive fleet around Earth and in the general vicinity. Not to mention defenses that are on and around the Earth. That Romulun mining vessel was unshielded. It would have been raped to pieces very quickly. An oversight by Abrams and crew. And, sure, the torpedos were superior in explosive yield to starfleet's current torpedo weapons, but it was very low yield. Earth's natural phaser defense grid would have quickly decimated that mining vessel.

Originally posted by dadudemon

Robtard,

There would have been

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a massive fleet around Earth and in the general vicinity. Not to mention defenses that are on and around the Earth. That Romulun mining vessel was unshielded. It would have been raped to pieces very quickly. An oversight by Abrams and crew. And, sure, the torpedos were superior in explosive yield to starfleet's current torpedo weapons, but it was very low yield. Earth's natural phaser defense grid would have quickly decimated that mining vessel.

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They specifically said that the main fleet was away, hence the early launch of the Enterprise and other newly built ships with a not fully trained crews. Pike also gave orders to Spock, telling him to join the main fleet and then consider an attack on the Romulan ship.

It took on 47 Klingon Bird Of Prey Ships, so it's armor is obviously superior to anything in that century, that and the sheer massiveness of it. So it could possibly have taken on the Federation. Hell, Kirk's father ramming it didn't destroy it; that speaks volumes to it's durability.

Not sure if Earth had a defense grid at that time, possible it didn't. That might have been the oversight, not sure.

Originally posted by Robtard
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They specifically said that the main fleet was away, hence the early launch of the Enterprise and other newly built ships with a not fully trained crews. Pike also gave orders to Spock, telling him to join the main fleet and then consider an attack on the Romulan ship.

It took on 47 Klingon Bird Of Prey Ships, so it's armor is obviously superior to anything in that century, that and the sheer massiveness of it. So it could possibly have taken on the Federation. Hell, Kirk's father ramming it didn't destroy it; that speaks volumes to it's durability.

Not sure if Earth had a defense grid at that time, possible it didn't. That might have been the oversight, not sure.

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Damn these spoilers.

Where are you getting the 47 birds of prey thing? I didn't see that anywhere in the film. No where. It simply isn't there. Now, I hear that there was a Klingon subplot that will be on the DVD, but it something about him being in prison.

Also, the enterprise took out all of the missiles just fine. It was simple PIS by the writing. If the guns could easily lock onto the missiles, why the hell didn't they do that in the first place? Why would no less than 5 ships have trouble locking on to those missiles and take them out when the enterprise does it completely alone?

Of course, you can claim that the enterprise had a much more superior computer. That's fine and all, but that doesn't work. Even a simple computer from that time would be powerful enough to calculate thousands of trajectories and travel time for their energy weapons. That's another technological oversight in the movie.

Also, the Earth has much much much more than just 45 ships on it's home planet. There are also several stations in the solar system that could quickly send large numbers of ships that direction. Again, don't forget about the MASSIVE amounts of ships that would be on the planet, the defensive guns in place on the planet, and the rediculously large number of defensive vessels that would remain in place on Earth. What Abrams did with Starfleet's military prowess was take a major shit on it. You honestly think that with Vulcans also advising, other diplomats on Earth, etc. that they would leave Earth that defenseless?

Sure, the ship had torpedoes that were rather strong, but not very strong at all. A photon torpedo is stronger than those missiles, but you don't see that happening in the movie? The explosive yield on those torps were measly. In Star Trek 6, they were ripping the Enterprise a new one with explosions. It was cutting straight through the ship. These torps were on par or less in power. Photon torps are at maximum yield of 25 isotons.

Also, that ship wasn't heavily armored. It takes damage. It had no shields. You can see it take damage. You can see how susceptible it is to damage to burst fire when Spock's ship escapes from it. Sure, you can claim that Spock's ship had superior burst fire weapons, but that is unfounded and baseless. It looks just the same as the burst fire energy weapons on the enterprise. Besides, why would superior weapons need to be on that small shuttle sized vehicle? It was built for speed and science. Also, the collision disable the mining vessel for quite some time. Long enough for it to do absolutely nothing while all the people escaped. Don't you think that Nero would have destroyed it long before it collided with them? Why didn't he? PIS.

Also, the mining vessel is not made of some uber material like neutronium or something. Also the USS Kelvin does damage to that vessel when it collides. The explosion was hardly huge but it was certainly large. No core detonation huge, but it was big enough to cause some damage. They do seem to repair it.

The fact is, phasers are still used in that future he came from. Most ships are made from Tritanium. Phasers can cut that. Also, do you know why the Narada seems to repair itself after taking that damage when we see the time skip? They salvaged some Borg technology enough to utilize the auto repair feature. Not to the extent we see Borg vessels do, but it does it well enough.

Also, I still can't believe that Abrams and crew thought to create a plot device that left the Earth with no ships around. That's so utterly retarded that it makes my brain hurt. Why would they do that when there is tension with both the Romulans and Klingons during that time?

And, yes, the Earth was heavily outfitted. There was a massive war with the Romulans in the previous century. There were other hostile species the pre-federation and existing federation had skirmishes with. They could have at least justified why they were able to do it.

1. The ship takes damage from those weapons.

2. Their torpedoes are limited. Nero yells to fire everything, which appears to be the remaining torpedoes.

3. A collision with a ship completely disabled it and caused a significant amount of damage.

4. The ship doesn't have any shields...at least not the type that we see in the 24th century.

5. The torpedoes are easily locked onto and destroyed at one part in the movie. They are also locked onto at the beginning, if I remember properly. Of course, the Kelving was overwhelmed, but they still shot some.

6. Why would the mining tube thingie be left intact? Wouldn't those four other vessels who went before the enterprise have done something, anything, to try and destroy it?

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It was there: You may wanna look/listen again.

The Birds of prey thing was reported by Uhura. (And also discussed openly with Pike and Spock on the bridge.)
The details were intercepted in that transmission that she told Kirk about.

That is why Kirk while still in allergic numbness was struggling to tell her that it was likely "Wrooommmmmmyuuuuluuuujnnn" (Romulan) ship, knowing that the ship in the transmission sounded like the one George Kirk died trying to destroy.

Ships computers are fine, but its also about what they are connected to. It is implied when the Enterpise is described as being the most advanced ship in the fleet, that the pinnacle of state of the art shit would be equipped.

The explosion of the Kelvin was huge. But it was just dwarfed by sheer size of the mining vessel. Thusly it just looked relatively small.

"Fire everything" is just means fire/utilise all weapons systems, is the way I read it..

Thanks Gov'na. DDM was probably chewing popcorn so loudly he missed it.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
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It was there: You may wanna look/listen again.

The Birds of prey thing was reported by Uhura. (And also discussed openly with Pike and Spock on the bridge.)
The details were intercepted in that transmission that she told Kirk about.

That is why Kirk while still in allergic numbness was struggling to tell her that it was likely "Wrooommmmmmyuuuuluuuujnnn" (Romulan) ship, knowing that the ship in the transmission sounded like the one George Kirk died trying to destroy.

Ships computers are fine, but its also about what they are connected to. It is implied when the Enterpise is described as being the most advanced ship in the fleet, that the pinnacle of state of the art shit would be equipped.

The explosion of the Kelvin was huge. But it was just dwarfed by sheer size of the mining vessel. Thusly it just looked relatively small.

"Fire everything" is just means fire/utilise all weapons systems, is the way I read it..

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I'm fully aware that it was there. However, it didn't say 47 birds of prey...which was my point. I'm almost sure it was left ambiguous.

Also, if he said to fire everything...don't you think that there would be a few more torps than that? IF there were plenty left.

Robtard, I assume you agree with the remaining logic. Abrams made several goofs concerning Earth and the attack.

47, it was clearly stated, twice.

Originally posted by Robtard
47, it was clearly stated, twice.

Once in the room with Kirk humping...and...

once on the bridge of the enterprise? I don't remember the number 47 in both cases and I certainly don't remember them calling them birds of prey. The second time, it doesn't mention the number of ships being destroyed. It mentions the klingons and their distress call identifying them as Romulan or some shit.

However, that would be literally, trivial to the actual point. It absolutely could not destroy 47 birds of prey. No shields...takes damage, was completely disabled, one ship stood up against it, etc. I would be PIS for the sole purpose of going "ZOMG! It's strooooong!"

Originally posted by Robtard
I got it from the movie, because I paid attention and chewed my popcorn quietly with my mouth closed.

1. I didn't eat popcorn. I rarely do.

2. Are you sure it was exactly 47 and the ship type of was Klingon Birds of Prey? I don't think that was mentioned. I will say that I don't know if However, if he destroyed 47 birds of prey, all at once, then that is retarded as all get out. If he did it gradually, that is believable. But his torps would be greatly depleted...furthering my point that he used all his remaining torps against the Jellyfish at the end there.

Now, I'll give you that it could have been 47 ships, and it could have also been birds of prey. However, it would be PIS, as I pointed out, if it were all at once.

47

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Klingon Bird of Prey
, Forty-Seven, no more, no less.

When I get home, I'll email you a link where you can see the movie for free online, it's a camera version, but it will work for that scene(s).

That ship was ****ign immense, it could hold thousands and thousands of torpedos,

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it also would have replicators, since it's from the future. It could easily make scrap of those ships, all at once.

Originally posted by Robtard
47
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Klingon Bird of Prey
, Forty-Seven, no more, no less.

When I get home, I'll email you a link where you can see the movie for free online, it's a camera version, but it will work for that scene(s).

That ship was ****ign immense, it could hold thousands and thousands of torpedos, it also would have replicators, since it's from the future. It could easily make scrap of those ships, all at once.

Sure. That will be cool. I'll watch it. And were they birds of prey?

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Still, it is quite retarded to think it could stand up to 47 birds of prey...if they were at once. 2 or 3 at a time would be pushing it. Since just one Starfleet ship, inferior in defenses and weaponry to birds of prey, could stand up for a few moments and even disable the ship, I fail to see how it isn't PIS in the least.

And replicators is only seen on Starfleet ships. It is not seen on Romulan ships. At that, we never see replicators making weapons. However, you would be logical in assuming that Starfleet would do that same. Remember the episode in TNG when that lady falls in love with Data right after she breaks up with her boyfriend and they are standing there next to photon torpedoes. I was literally looking around for the replicator in the at scene. I was wondering why I couldn't find a replicator because they almost never run out of photon torpedoes. (They (as in, in star trek shows and movies) do, sometimes.)

Originally posted by dadudemon
Sure. That will be cool. I'll watch it. And were they birds of prey?

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Still, it is quite retarded to think it could stand up to 47 birds of prey...if they were at once. 2 or 3 at a time would be pushing it. Since just one Starfleet ship, inferior in defenses and weaponry to birds of prey, could stand up for a few moments and even disable the ship, I fail to see how it isn't PIS in the least.

And replicators is only seen on Starfleet ships. It is not seen on Romulan ships. At that, we never see replicators making weapons. However, you would be logical in assuming that Starfleet would do that same. Remember the episode in TNG when that lady falls in love with Data right after she breaks up with her boyfriend and they are standing there next to photon torpedoes. I was literally looking around for the replicator in the at scene. I was wondering why I couldn't find a replicator because they almost never run out of photon torpedoes. (They (as in, in star trek shows and movies) do, sometimes.)

B of P.

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Not really, a single BOP isn't a match for a Constitution class(let alone the flagship), only advantage it really has is the cloaking device, which means it can attack first, that and maneuverability, I'd guess.

The Fed ships didn't do much to the Romulan miner, they only survived, and as noted, the only time they significantly damaged it was when Kirk's father rammed his ship into it.

That is true, then again, the replicators (we see) are somewhat small; they could be used to make individual pieces to weapons and then manually assembled. But as noted, that ship was of behemoth size, it could hold thousands and thousands of torpedoes.

Originally posted by Robtard
B of P.

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Not really, a single BOP isn't a match for a Constitution class(let alone the flagship), only advantage it really has is the cloaking device, which means it can attack first, that and maneuverability, I'd guess.

The Fed ships didn't do much to the Romulan miner, they only survived, and as noted, the only time they significantly damaged it was when Kirk's father rammed his ship into it.

That is true, then again, the replicators (we see) are somewhat small; they could be used to make individual pieces to weapons and then manually assembled. But as noted, that ship was of behemoth size, it could hold thousands and thousands of torpedoes.

I do know that on DS9, they do use replicators for large equipment. They have industrial sized ones. However, I have never seen canonical torpedo replicators.

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I could have sworn a bird of prey outclassed the enterprise in battle ability?