Star Trek XI & Sequel News Thread

Originally posted by dadudemon
I do know that on DS9, they do use replicators for large equipment. They have industrial sized ones. However, I have never seen canonical torpedo replicators.

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I could have sworn a bird of prey outclassed the enterprise in battle ability?

I believe that a bird of prey is a small ship that cannot stand up against the Enterprise.

http://www.wireless-earth.de/private/Models/images/StarTrek_Klingon_Bird_Of_Prey.jpg

I think you are talking about a Klingon Cruiser.

http://www.wireless-earth.de/private/Models/images/StarTrek_Klingon_Cruiser.jpg

I am mistaken, that is 3 b.o.p that outclassed the enterprise.

Thing is with the torpedos bit, its about how many torpedo tubes there are.
If Enterprise had like 60 different torpedo tubes, then maybe there would be more avenues of distributing the payloads.

And as the ship to ship weapons of the Enterprise are depicted in the movie as needing loading, maybe they can only fire currently in batches...?

And no worries, Robtard. 😉

Seems I was wrong in BOP aspect, it's said as

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"Klingon armada, 47 ships", which really bodes well for the Romulan ship, as a Klingon armada is going to have at least a few battle cruisers in it.

Thx for looking that up, Sado.

No probs. 🙂

Yeah thats what Uhura reported in.

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Kirk reports 47 warbirds. Which of course kick ass.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
No probs. 🙂

Yeah thats what Uhura reported in.

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Kirk reports 47 warbirds.

Ah, so that's were I got the B.O.P. from, good, for a second I thought I was a losing it.

No, you are still quite sane.

For what its worth I initially had BOPs in my head too when I first saw it.

Originally posted by Robtard
Seems I was wrong in BOP aspect, it's said as

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"Klingon armada, 47 ships"

, which really bodes well for the Romulan ship, as a Klingon armada is going to have at least a few battle cruisers in it.[/spoiler]

Thx for looking that up, Sado.

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That doesn't bode well for logic, then. Unless there were quite a few shitty Klingon ships in that Armada. 3 BOP can take down the enterprise.

However, I will admit that the enterprise in this movie is superior to the real timeline enterprise...in terms of firepower.

What is retarded is all four of those ships that were several minutes ahead of the enterprise, got destroyed to bits, yet the drilling mechanism was still in place, and the ship had no damage. Illogical. All of those ships were skippered by idiots. You go to a planet that is under attack, and you get yourself destroyed before saving 6 billion "people". Seems like PIS to me. Why did none of them target the drilling mechanism? Of course, they didn't know what was going to happen, but it stands to logic that it was obvious it was an attack on a defenseless planet.

Also, why was that planet defenseless? The Vulcans are far from stupid, so why was their home planet gimped, just the same as the Earth's?

So, we have a self-repairing mining vessel from the future that does not have shields, only has torpedoes for offense, and travels at standard warp speeds of almost a century earlier. (Granted, it is a much larger vessel and having galaxy class warp capabilities is not necessary.) So, I'm confused. Why did the ship last longer than a few seconds when approaching an Earth that is supposed to be heavily defended by both ships and autoweapons, even get to the point of a Romulan mining vessel drilling into the Earth? Are the writers that desperate for plot that they had to riddle the film with PIS out of the wazoo?

Now, I would have been fine with EVERYTHING, had they given the ship some 24th century shields. Even then, phasers do just fine at taking down those shields in the 24th century. Not to mention photon torpedoes working just fine in the future as well. MAYBE, just MAYBE, if they gave it some sort of super shields like ablative hull plating, then it would be okay in my book. But, still, then you have to work out the disabling of the ship by a collision, and undefended Vulcan home planet, and the undefended Earth. There's not reason they couldn't have thought of ways around that PIS. The drilling device and the black hole planet consumption was for "OMG! WTF! THat's sooo cool!" but they didn't have to sacrifice logic to obtain that coolness.

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Those ships flew into a trap(as Kirk mentioned), they had their shields down, so one future torpedo would probably be enough to destroy or incapacitate them.

Doubt it's self repairing, but it has a crew, so they could have done some repairs. It could have had ablative armor, as ships from that century do, Defiant Class, Sovereign Class etc, do. It's also from the future, so it's hull is most likely made of superior materials that can resist old-tech weapons, just another possibility.

Kirk's father(who's officially the McClane of the 22nd century) flew a ship up it's ass and it survived, bodes well for just how durable it is. So it stands to reason that shields or no shields, 22nd weapons don't do much damage to it.

Are you certain it didn't have shields?

Not certain what kinds of planet-based defenses were around in that century, possible they didn't have anything that would have worked. Not sure though.

I think you're reading too much into it, it's sci-fi and it's Star Trek.

One thing that got me, didn't think

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Romulans had superior strength as Vulcans do

LOL @ "McClane of the 22nd century".

Maybe Nero's strength feats were down to some genetic property.

Were there not tonnes of smashed up ships all around where the mining ship was attacking...? I would have taken this as sign that a defending force had attacked but overwhelmed.

So it looks like some effort to address the "who was guarding the home goalposts" issue was made.

Have a peek if you get a chance, you're probably right, thinking back.

Originally posted by Robtard
One thing that got me, didn't think

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Romulans had superior strength as Vulcans do

, since their homeworld is similar to Earth's, in regards to gravity. IIRC.

I think it is because the Romulans are much more of a warrior race than the Vulcans are

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The Enterprise had to dodge smashed saucer sections and detached buckled destroyed nacelles and other debris stuff as they came out of warp to Vulcan.

It suggests that much of the fleet in that part of the galaxy bought the farm there..

Theres also nothing to contradict the notion that there were perhaps additional ships remaining guarding Earth that could have been overpowered already by the mining ship, which just a given at that point anyways.

Remember the elaborate warping into the Titan, staying concealed within the fields generated by the rings sneaking up on the ship...

Well I bet that Mining ship saw all earth's defenses coming with its future tech scanners and whupped its collective arse is all there was to it...

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
I think it is because the Romulans are much more of a warrior race than the Vulcans are

Going from a canon standpoint, Romulans were/are comparable to humans, unlike Vulcans who have about x3 the strength and have greater speed, stamina and durability, due to their evolving on such a hostile world, Vulcan (compared to other planets). IIRC.

Klingons are about twice as strong, due to their greater size/genetic makeup.

Khan/The Augments are x5 in regards to strength, with greatly enhanced speed, stamina and durability, this is due to direct genetic manipulation though.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
I think it is because the Romulans are much more of a warrior race than the Vulcans are

As we saw in the movie, those Vulcans are peaceful passive folk of logic, til you call their momma a whore.

Then they smack your ass down. 😉
Sure...you could argue that that was Spock's internal struggle with his human side... but after you've baited them with shit like that, emotion or not, beating their ass is totally logical, imho. 😛

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
As we saw in the movie, those Vulcans are peaceful passive folk of logic, til you call their momma a whore.

Then they smack your ass down. 😉
Sure...you could argue that that was Spock's internal struggle with his human side... but after you've baited them with shit like that, emotion or not, beating their ass is totally logical, imho. 😛

😆 Thanks for the laugh *chuckles* That was great!

Originally posted by Ace of Knaves
I'm looking forward to seeing it. I'm a big fan of ST and TNG, so I'm skeptical about there even being a need for a reboot of the franchise. However, everything I've heard has been totally positive. If there are so many SW fans who enjoyed it, it can't be all that bad. Not that I really understand why anyone would hate Star Trek simply because they're Star Wars fans. The two are nothing alike. They're two totally different genres. Just because they both have characters and space ships doesn't mean they're the same. My skepticism and lack of interest have turned out to be a good thing because it's prevented me from really putting any effort or attention into the plot. So in a few weeks when I go and see it, I'll actually be walking into it without any fore-knowledge. This is a rare thing for me because I hate going to the movies, so I have to make sure it's worth actually walking into a movie theater. The last movie I saw in the theater was The Dark Knight. Movie theaters are nasty, distracting, crowded cesspools, so I have to want to see a movie enough to go through that. Plus, I can stay at home and watch TV if I want to see car commercials. So, all the positive reviews have convinced me to give this one a chance.

I went and saw it today before the crowds really got into it. I have to say it was a good Star Trek movie. But I think my over all rating would be 6 out of 10. It was illogically rushed. First of all, I don't understand how a cadet becomes a Captain right out of the gate...or a Commander for that matter. But beyond that, the position of Captain bounced around like a hot potato. I've heard a lot of criticism of the villain, but I didn't see any problem with him. His motivation didn't make any less sense than Khan's motivation in WOK. I also would have been fine with less of the original cast being introduced in the first film. The story made sense in rebooting the franchise and in explaining a lot of the differenes in character from the original cast. Pine really only imitated Shatner in the last scene of the movie when he walked onto the bridge and spoke to Bones as he sat in the command chair. That was pretty much an exact copy and paste from the original series, which was nice.

Since Pike is going to stick around, I'd like to see the Talosians in one of the films. I always really liked them for some reason.

I will likely buy it and add it to my Trek DVD collection, but I won't go see it again in the theater. Not only were there a half hour of commercials (only the last 8 minutes of which were trailers and the rest being car commercials, Coke commercials and Insurance commercials) but the mouth-breather behind me felt the need to tell her husband whether she would or would not go to see this movie or that one and exactly why she did or didn't want to go.