Originally posted by Raoul
Karl Urban was great as McCoy. It was scary how much of DeForest Kelley's mannerisms he got pitch perfect.
Yeah, he did pretty well. But wasn't Bones affraid of the transporters in the original version and not the shuttle craft? When the character appeared in Encounter at Far Point, didn't his scene center around Data escorting him to the shuttle bay?
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Just read the Javier Bardham/Khan suggestion:That was as genius a casting idea as getting Quinto in for Spock was.
Fingers crossed that they "Make it so."
Perhaps an online petition...?
Letters to the studio...? This has to happen...!!!!
No, I love Khan and do not want to see him
Originally posted by RaoulSpoiler:
vulcan doesn't have ships orbiting it, because it's deep within federation space. by kirk's time, earth and vulcan were protected by starfleet, who didn't station ships at those planets unless they were there for transport, repairs, or construction.shatner was whiny?
thats how I understood him to be, besides don't I think he have fit unless you go by the idea that they had..
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Dunno, maybe Kirk'll no longer be killed by Malcolm McDowell and will then be free to come back in time etc.Hope they leave the time thing be for now though.
Best not to overdo it.
T'will be foolish if they ignore the other films just to have him in this
Originally posted by Silke
That's too bad .. want to share what you didn't like, with spoiler tags maybe? 😉
As it's been a week the rage has subsided a little, but there's still alot I didn't like, but off the top of my head, I didn't like:
- The new phasers, especially the hand phasers. The way they fired just screamed as if they'd been made to act like regular guns with an energy blast instead of a bullet, the actual ship phasers did something similar. And what the hell was up with the whole flipping from red to blue? Seemed ridiculous to me.
- Some of the characterisation was poor. That was not James T Kirk, I realise that this is meant to be a completely alternate reality from the Prime Universe and that therefore the characters can be different, but if that's the intention why go back and recast them, why not just have them be regular new characters. Chekov was also poor, and the whole Wictor Wictor bit just seemed cheap. Nero, also failed in my eyes, although that was mainly because he was hyped up to be on the level of Khan.
- The plot and really the need to read the mini-series comics to gain the full picture of events. I know a guy who's never seen Trek before, loved the movie but said the plot was ridiculous.
- New Enterprise, have never and will never like the look, internally and externally.
Spoiler:
- The Spock Prime scene seemed a bit cheesy, having his first words to young kirk being things that he'd not have a clue what he was on about.
- The alternate reality/universe/timeline wasn't given enough focus, I'd have made it more of a focus on being an alternate universe, like the mirror universe, instead of focusing on changing the past. Changing the past doesn't work like that in the Star Trek universe, otherwise all the other time travel episodes wouldn't need the Time agencies from the 29th century or the stars of the show having to go back and try and fix things. Instead I had to mentally change the premise of the story into them going to the past of an alternate reality similar to the prime one and going from there, something the writers should have done.
Spoiler:
- The BS PoC thing that was the Spock/Uhura romance- The sword fight on the drill also annoyed me, didn't seem to be any reason to that other than to add some action in.
- The new warp effects. I mean, I would have been ok with it if they had at least put a warp flash in at the end of it.
- The coincidence of everyone meeting and the rapid progression of Kirk and everyone else from cadet to their Prime rankings in minutes.
I'm sure there's more but just to point out it wasn't all bad. I did like the acting in most cases, in particular in the case of Bones and Scotty. Scotty I wasespecially suprised with, to me Simon Pegg is a comedy actor, not Scotty, but he pulled the role off flawlessly. I also liked most of the small references to the fans that they put in (except moving a ****ing planet to give it a memorable name)
Originally posted by Ace of Knaves
Yeah, he did pretty well. But wasn't Bones affraid of the transporters in the original version and not the shuttle craft? When the character appeared in Encounter at Far Point, didn't his scene center around Data escorting him to the shuttle bay?
Originally posted by Robtard
He was, even in the OS, he didn't like them. Which Spock thought was "illogical".He's weary of technology overall, think JJ was just bringing that about, without being exactly the same.
👆
Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
thats how I understood him to be, besides don't I think he have fit unless you go by the idea that they had...
with this movie, no, i don't think he would have fit.
in the next one, though? yes please. him and nimoy together again.
Originally posted by Raoul
👆with this movie, no, i don't think he would have fit.
in the next one, though? yes please. him and nimoy together again.
here's a link about a scene involving shatner but was dropped from the final script...
http://www.filmstalker.co.uk/archives/2009/05/star_trek_alternate_ending.html
Originally posted by Darth Jello
(taken from a new thread i made on the movie forum).Who's looking forward to "Star Trek II: The Wrath of Alternate Timeline Khan who still hates Kirk but for slightly different reasons and is played by Wilmer Valderrama"?
Originally posted by Robtard
Yeah, he(Javier Bardem) would be prefect, can imagine him now, cocky, arrogant and domineering; all traits deserved.They'd have to diverge greatly from 'Space Seed' and 'Wrath of Khan' storylines, as to not give us more of the same.
Have some other ship besides the Enterprise (maybe not even Federation?) find the Botany Bay adrift, where they unfreeze Khan from statis and he does what he does best, wreck havoc which sets off a chain of events that Kirk has to counter.
I do hope they do something like that and Bardem is cast, would be epic, if done right.
Edit: Vilderrama would be a horrible Khan, atrocious even, imo.
Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
yes, but i don't think J.J. Abrams will ignore what came before him
Well Abrams has spoken about what "they" are gonna do next, it sounded like his involvement will be minimal if any.
But Lindelhof is a big huge f***ing Trekkie and will, as we have seen in this movie, most likely not be giving the middle finger to all the great stuff that we loved before.
Sounds like a situation made of pure win either way.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Well Abrams has spoken about what "they" are gonna do next, it sounded like his involvement will be minimal if any.But Lindelhof is a big huge f***ing Trekkie and will, as we have seen in this movie, most likely not be giving the middle finger to all the great stuff that we loved before.
Sounds like a situation made of pure win either way.
I don't believe J.J. at all about him not being involved with the sequels..
Let the sequel rumors continue...
http://screencrave.com/2009-04-26/star-trek-press-conference-part-2-jj-abrams/
What is the possibility of a sequel to this film? Will you continue with the boldness of the first film?
JJ: Obviously, it was a dream to work with these guys and the whole cast and crew, and it would be incredible fun to get to do it again. It is also insanely presumptuous to assume that it will work when it’s out there, that people will like it, and that there will be a need for another one. If there is, the good news is that there’s a deal for the writers and a deal for the actors. It’s in place. We have not had one meeting. We have not had one discussion. There’s no outline. There’s no script. There’s nothing. We’re fishing for ideas.
Originally posted by SpikeSpiegel
- The new phasers, especially the hand phasers. The way they fired just screamed as if they'd been made to act like regular guns with an energy blast instead of a bullet, the actual ship phasers did something similar. And what the hell was up with the whole flipping from red to blue? Seemed ridiculous to me.
- Some of the characterisation was poor. That was not James T Kirk, I realise that this is meant to be a completely alternate reality from the Prime Universe and that therefore the characters can be different, but if that's the intention why go back and recast them, why not just have them be regular new characters. Chekov was also poor, and the whole Wictor Wictor bit just seemed cheap. Nero, also failed in my eyes, although that was mainly because he was hyped up to be on the level of Khan.
- The plot and really the need to read the mini-series comics to gain the full picture of events. I know a guy who's never seen Trek before, loved the movie but said the plot was ridiculous.
- New Enterprise, have never and will never like the look, internally and externally.
- The alternate reality/universe/timeline wasn't given enough focus, I'd have made it more of a focus on being an alternate universe, like the mirror universe, instead of focusing on changing the past. Changing the past doesn't work like that in the Star Trek universe, otherwise all the other time travel episodes wouldn't need the Time agencies from the 29th century or the stars of the show having to go back and try and fix things. Instead I had to mentally change the premise of the story into them going to the past of an alternate reality similar to the prime one and going from there, something the writers should have done.
- The sword fight on the drill also annoyed me, didn't seem to be any reason to that other than to add some action in.
- The new warp effects. I mean, I would have been ok with it if they had at least put a warp flash in at the end of it.
- The coincidence of everyone meeting and the rapid progression of Kirk and everyone else from cadet to their Prime rankings in minutes.