Star Trek XI & Sequel News Thread

Originally posted by CadoAngelus
I think that because its a ship from 300 years in the future from the period the film is set in, the weapons couldn't do much...see, it's logical, and not an ounce of speculation involved - just common sense.

You don't know very much about Star Trek. Don't post again.

😆

Just kidding.

You can refute yourself with some knowledge.

Look up the year the Narada comes from. Look at the years the majority of the movie takes place in. Tell me what numbers you arrive at and then get back to me.

Originally posted by dadudemon
You don't know very much about Star Trek. Don't post again.

😆

Just kidding.

You can refute yourself with some knowledge.

Look up the year the Narada comes from. Look at the years the majority of the movie takes place in. Tell me what numbers you arrive at and then get back to me.

154 years is still a long time. A typical armament from 1750 would probably have trouble destroying modern mining equipment even before we gave it the ability to heal it self and missiles.

Wait, why did they have missiles?

woot The movie hit $200,000,000 here in the USA.

Originally posted by Badabing
woot The movie hit $200,000,000 here in the USA.

I was gonna post that..

I am so glad this is doing well, I knew it would

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
154 years is still a long time. A typical armament from 1750 would probably have trouble destroying modern mining equipment even before we gave it the ability to heal it self and missiles.

Wait, why did they have missiles?

Yeah, hat confused me....500 phaser banks and missiles.

Originally posted by dadudemon
You don't know very much about Star Trek. Don't post again.

😆

Just kidding.

You can refute yourself with some knowledge.

Look up the year the Narada comes from. Look at the years the majority of the movie takes place in. Tell me what numbers you arrive at and then get back to me.

Okay...

Star Trek: Nero's Appearance: 2233

----Insert Alternate Timeline Here-----

The Motion Picture: 2270
The Wrath of Khan: 2285
The Search for Spock: 2285
The Voyage Home: 2286
The Final Frontier: 2287
The Undiscovered Country: 2293
Generations: Kirks Disappearance: 2293
Generations: TNG Crew: 2371
First Contact: 2373
Insurrection: 2375
Nemesis: 2379
Star Trek: Nero's Disappearance: 2387

Ok, I was wrong with the time scale between TOS and TNG, but nevertheless...in those 129 years there's a hell of a lot of technological advancement that could've been made as far as ships hulls and weapons come.

Originally posted by CadoAngelus
Yeah, hat confused me....500 phaser banks and missiles.

Okay...

Star Trek: Nero's Appearance: 2233

----Insert Alternate Timeline Here-----

The Motion Picture: 2270
The Wrath of Khan: 2285
The Search for Spock: 2285
The Voyage Home: 2286
The Final Frontier: 2287
The Undiscovered Country: 2293
Generations: Kirks Disappearance: 2293
Generations: TNG Crew: 2371
First Contact: 2373
Insurrection: 2375
Nemesis: 2379
Star Trek: Nero's Disappearance: 2387

Ok, I was wrong with the time scale between TOS and TNG, but nevertheless...in those 129 years there's a hell of a lot of technological advancement that could've been made as far as ships hulls and weapons come.

There you go, sir. Just some research on your own prevented us from having to debate anything. You avoided being called wrong and corrected yourself.

Weapons: Photon Torpedoes had little to no improvement. Phasers still work on the same principle...they may have higher intensity but until the Dominion war, I have yet to see very little in terms of improvement on phaser technology. Photon torpedo yeild probably increased but I haven't seen a canon source saying that there was an increase. (Shows or movies). It's always been in the 25 isoton range on the high end...as far as I can tell.

Now, if you get into quantum torpedoes, tricobalt devices, etc. Now we're talking about weapons improvement.

Shield technology greatly improved...

Too bad the Narada did not have shields. 🙂

Originally posted by CadoAngelus
Yeah, hat confused me....500 phaser banks and missiles.

Okay...

Star Trek: Nero's Appearance: 2233

----Insert Alternate Timeline Here-----

The Motion Picture: 2270
The Wrath of Khan: 2285
The Search for Spock: 2285
The Voyage Home: 2286
The Final Frontier: 2287
The Undiscovered Country: 2293
Generations: Kirks Disappearance: 2293
Generations: TNG Crew: 2371
First Contact: 2373
Insurrection: 2375
Nemesis: 2379
Star Trek: Nero's Disappearance: 2387

Ok, I was wrong with the time scale between TOS and TNG, but nevertheless...in those 129 years there's a hell of a lot of technological advancement that could've been made as far as ships hulls and weapons come.

Where did you get the dates for the films? ST:TMP can't be in 2270 - that leaves a 15-year gap between it and Wrath Of Khan; that's too big. More likely it was around 2280. We know Wrath Of Khan is after 2283 because of the bottle of Romulan Ale consumed early on.

And I'm willing to go along with the high effectiveness of the Narada's weapons, and how they seemed to pierce energy shields & hulls so effectively - they were future tech.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Weapons: Photon Torpedoes had little to no improvement. Phasers still work on the same principle...they may have higher intensity but until the Dominion war, I have yet to see very little in terms of improvement on phaser technology. Photon torpedo yeild probably increased but I haven't seen a canon source saying that there was an increase. (Shows or movies). It's always been in the 25 isoton range on the high end...as far as I can tell.

Not like there's much canon to work with . . .

You all should read the comics which runs up to the new Star Trek movie. Here's a link to a thread I made to specifically explain the Narada.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f103/t509664.html

Originally posted by Badabing
You all should read the comics which runs up to the new Star Trek movie. Here's a link to a thread I made to specifically explain the Narada.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f103/t509664.html

I guess the writers of the comic didn't get the memo that the ship wouldn't have shields in the movie. Oh well, they tried.

Originally posted by roughrider
Where did you get the dates for the films? ST:TMP can't be in 2270 - that leaves a 15-year gap between it and Wrath Of Khan; that's too big. More likely it was around 2280. We know Wrath Of Khan is after 2283 because of the bottle of Romulan Ale consumed early on.

And I'm willing to go along with the high effectiveness of the Narada's weapons, and how they seemed to pierce energy shields & hulls so effectively - they were future tech.

Memory Alpha is my source...Star Trek Wiki. States the Year and Star Date for every film, episode and more...

And i did make a tiny mistake, TMP is set in mid-2270s, which is a plausible gap...gives them time to completely refit the constitution class ships, Kirk gets promoted to Rear Admiral...

Originally posted by dadudemon
There you go, sir. Just some research on your own prevented us from having to debate anything. You avoided being called wrong and corrected yourself.

Weapons: Photon Torpedoes had little to no improvement. Phasers still work on the same principle...they may have higher intensity but until the Dominion war, I have yet to see very little in terms of improvement on phaser technology. Photon torpedo yeild probably increased but I haven't seen a canon source saying that there was an increase. (Shows or movies). It's always been in the 25 isoton range on the high end...as far as I can tell.

Now, if you get into quantum torpedoes, tricobalt devices, etc. Now we're talking about weapons improvement.

Shield technology greatly improved...

Too bad the Narada did not have shields. 🙂

iirc, in "genesis" worf tested out some new, improved photon torpedoes. one went astray because of a targeting error, hence picard and data leaving the ship...

phaser systems are generally more powerful on the prometheus and sovereign types than they are on the likes of excelsior or miranda class starships, so that indicates at least some sort of upgrades over the years...

Originally posted by Raoul
iirc, in "genesis" worf tested out some new, improved photon torpedoes. one went astray because of a targeting error, hence picard and data leaving the ship...

But what of isotonic yield? And what you reference was only an 11% increase. The yield is still smaller than 25 isotons, as fact...since 25 would be the theoretical maximum....barring Voyager referencing a 200 isoton explosion...which contradicts what was established all over in Star Trek.

Originally posted by Raoul
phaser systems are generally more powerful on the prometheus and sovereign types than they are on the likes of excelsior or miranda class starships, so that indicates at least some sort of upgrades over the years...

The only improvements that can be done with phasers is pushing more energy into the bank to increase the amount of damage. Better energy technology results in stronger phasers.

Originally posted by dadudemon
But what of isotonic yield? And what you reference was only an 11% increase. The yield is still smaller than 25 isotons, as fact...since 25 would be the theoretical maximum....barring Voyager referencing a 200 isoton explosion...which contradicts what was established all over in Star Trek.

The only improvements that can be done with phasers is pushing more energy into the bank to increase the amount of damage. Better energy technology results in stronger phasers.

where did you get the figure of 25 isotons? i know voyager used a 25 isoton yield once, but was it considered the maximum?

11% is still an improvement 😛

i disagree re: phasers. smaller ships like the defiant (even as overpowered as they are) have shown that it's own phaser arrays are more powerful than a galaxy class ship from the same time period...

also, compare how much damage the enteprise d's phasers did against a galor class ship in the episode "the wounded" i think it was, against how impressive they were during the battle to retake ds9...

two galaxy class ships built in much the same way. the only difference, imo, is upgrades.

Originally posted by Raoul
where did you get the figure of 25 isotons? i know voyager used a 25 isoton yield once, but was it considered the maximum?

11% is still an improvement 😛

Chapter 11 page 85 of the Star Trek: TNG technical manual.

Originally posted by Raoul
i disagree re: phasers. smaller ships like the defiant (even as overpowered as they are) have shown that it's own phaser arrays are more powerful than a galaxy class ship from the same time period...

But you're not disagreeing as nothing you've said contradicts what I've stated on energy. I need said "increase the phaser bank size/length, or anything like that.

Originally posted by Raoul
also, compare how much damage the enteprise d's phasers did against a galor class ship in the episode "the wounded" i think it was, against how impressive they were during the battle to retake ds9...

two galaxy class ships built in much the same way. the only difference, imo, is upgrades.

I'm not sure what this point is about.

How does your last two points contradict this statement:

"The only improvements that can be done with phasers is pushing more energy into the bank to increase the amount of damage. Better energy technology results in stronger phasers. "

I'm looking for context as I don't know what you're disagreeing with or what that last point is supposed to add to the conversation.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Chapter 11 page 85 of the Star Trek: TNG technical manual.

But you're not disagreeing as nothing you've said contradicts what I've stated on energy. I need said "increase the phaser bank size/length, or anything like that.

I'm not sure what this point is about.

How does your last two points contradict this statement:

"The only improvements that can be done with phasers is pushing more energy into the bank to increase the amount of damage. Better energy technology results in stronger phasers. "

I'm looking for context as I don't know what you're disagreeing with or what that last point is supposed to add to the conversation.

ooh, technical manuals... i think those are a mixed bag, tbh...

i took you as saying that feeding more energy in to the phaser arrays is the reason for them seeming more powerful. am i wrong? if so, my bad...

Originally posted by 11=
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Originally posted by Raoul
ooh, technical manuals... i think those are a mixed bag, tbh...

i took you as saying that feeding more energy in to the phaser arrays is the reason for them seeming more powerful. am i wrong? if so, my bad...

Well, the phaser systems have to be able to handle more energy and have to be able to actually put more energy into them.

You could certainly reroute systems to push more energy into the phaser banks, but you could overload them or even cause damage to the ship. That's why the say "refitted" or "urgraded" when it comes to phasers. GREAT!

All arrays adhere to this formula:

(h(21^b)%f)/f[h]xy6=p

P is the phaser output.

If you exceed a ratio of greater than 1/1 in the formula, the phaser array has to be upgraded. You can push more energy through per cycle, but it has to have a broader dissipation per unit area. Due to the phasic nature of the energy passing through the array, they are are designed for a specific nadion flux. Exceeding this ratio results in the degradation of the phaser emitter. It doesn't take long to burn it up. So, when a vessel's phasers are upgraded, it's usually the phase emitters and the energy systems that directly supply the phase emitters. Sure, you can push 300% rated power through the phase emitters, but that's a sure way to burn them up fast.

I am dead serious when I say this. Do NOT highlight the test until you've researched what I posted. Please please please do not highlight the text until you've researched what I've stated.

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Wow. Star Trek is still in the top 5 movies. It's outperformed Wolverine, Night At The Museum, Terminator and Up relative to release time. I'm guessing Transformers will beat Star Trek this Summer and GI Joe if the movie decent.

Originally posted by Badabing
Wow. Star Trek is still in the top 5 movies. It's outperformed Wolverine, Night At The Museum, Terminator and Up relative to release time. I'm guessing Transformers will beat Star Trek this Summer and GI Joe if the movie decent.

Yep, I so love this movie..

Transformers has got a very good chance of beating Star Trek...then again, it's also got a good chance that it will come level, since Transformers was extremely successful in 2007, and Star Trek was extremely successful this year...we'll see 😛