Originally posted by bean_machine
PF exists before and after the big bang. Storm is a mutant that exists within the big bang. Until it is proven to me that Storm can exist in the aftermath of the big bang, then she will always be lesser than the big bang.Not saying she can't become as powerful as PF, just that there is no precedent for it.
My only problem with you two Storm supporters is that you claim that Storm has the PF potential when nothing you have posted proves it.
If I can recall right, a long time ago it was stated that Galactus = DS. A long time has passed since then and it has been depicted as Galactus > DS. This is how I see the Storm = PF.
Still Storm's potential < PF until proven otherwise.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
He never answered mine either.--Why did a freshly amped Magneto get OWNED by storm???
LOL! Good one! Not only freshly amped, but NC clunking him would not have depleted his power reserves at all. Her lightning strikes not only replinished him physically, but his power base as well and her winds still did that to him.
Originally posted by Rutog98
They are equal. Irregardless of that, Storm>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Magneto
Further development of the characters has shown that if there were to be a big bang PF will continue te exist and not Storm.
They are not equal. Nothing you have posted proves that Storm has the ability to be a PF level character. No possible power source has been given for to speculate that Storm's potential = PF. It does not matter what was said in the past, panel feats and panel statements are what hold in KMC.
Originally posted by bean_machine
Further development of the characters has shown that if there were to be a big bang PF will continue te exist and not Storm.They are not equal. Nothing you have posted proves that Storm has the ability to be a PF level character. No possible power source has been given for to speculate that Storm's potential = PF. It does not matter what was said in the past, panel feats and panel statements are what hold in KMC.
Uhh, Claremont said so. I'd say the writer is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>your opinion 😕
Originally posted by 2damnloud
Sienna has a Phoenix-level Blast
And you were. But you're going to cry about getting your argument torn apart by reading the page correctly. None-the-less:
It's saying her blast is the same type, make, and model as Phoenix's. Was this back when the Phoenix Force didn't exist and Phoenix was as powerful as Storm? Either way, it says nothing about the strength.
Originally posted by Rutog98
They are equal. Irregardless of that, Storm>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Magneto
Originally posted by 2damnloud
Uhh, Claremont said so. I'd say the writer is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>your opinion 😕
Back when Claremont said Phoenix and Storm were equals, the Phoenix Force didn't exist. So saying Storm is equal to the Phoenix Force or Phoenix as she is today is categorically wrong.
You two whine and complain about people stretching and twisting but that's what 95% of your arguments are based on.
Originally posted by Swanky-TunaYou know, the amount of >'s doesn't directly equal the amount of truth.
Back when Claremont said Phoenix and Storm were equals, the Phoenix Force didn't exist. So saying Storm is equal to the Phoenix Force or Phoenix as she is today is categorically wrong.
You two whine and complain about people stretching and twisting but that's what 95% of your arguments are based on.
Actually, in the Dark Phoenix Saga, Phoenix's potential was said to be second only to the Creator's. In other words, this blows what you say out of the water. Originally, it was a possession. It was then warped into some kind of PF cloning Jean's body, memories, soul, etc while Jean healed in the bay.
Originally posted by Rutog98
Actually, in the Dark Phoenix Saga, Phoenix's potential was said to be second only to the Creator's.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Oh man, this is the first time I've bothered reading the scan because I assumed you were wrong.And you were. But you're going to cry about getting your argument torn apart by reading the page correctly. None-the-less:
It's saying her blast is the same type, make, and model as Phoenix's. Was this back when the Phoenix Force didn't exist and Phoenix was as powerful as Storm? Either way, it says nothing about the strength.
"The energy singnature is unmistakably bio-genetic, similar in effect , if not origin to the POWER OF THE PHOENIX ."
Go head, spin it Swanky. I know you can 🙄
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
That's exactly my point. The "Storm and Phoenix are equals" came in '79 didn't it? And the Dark Phoenix Saga started a year later when they decided to make Phoenix more than Storm. Claremont even corrects himself because at the time he said that, Storm and Phoenix WERE equals, but then Phoenix became something more and now they're not.
He also said in that interview that Phoenix has higher burst. They are equal. They do different things in different ways.<<----He also said that in that interview.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
He also said in that interview that Phoenix has higher burst. They are equal. They do diffeent things in different ways.<<----He also said that in that interview.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
And your conclusion is?? 🙄
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
It's saying her blast is the same type, make, and model as Phoenix's. Was this back when the Phoenix Force didn't exist and Phoenix was as powerful as Storm? Either way, it says nothing about the strength.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Back in 1979?
Yep. You really have nothing to validate your claim other than who APPEARS to be more powerful.
The interview excerpt basically said they are different, yet approx. equal in raw power.
Afterwards we see Ororo doing "so much more" with her Galactic core stunt. No hero sides Ororo and Jean(PF) could summon power like that with relative ease. You can see with continuity Claremont's vision for both women.
Jean peaks higher, yet they are approx EQUAL.
it was 1979 from Rampage Magazine(UK)
The interviewer (someone called Richard Burton, I'll abbreviate it to RB) is asking Chris various questions, working through the characters...
"RB: Storm next...
Chris Claremont: Storm is basically what she is...a goddess, a three-dimensional goddess, if such a thing is possible.
RB: When the new X-Men first appeared Storm was probably the most powerful and dramatic member. Do you feel now that she's been slightly upstaged by Phoenix?
Chris Claremont: No. In equal terms of raw power, they're approximately equal.
Jean can maintain a higher burst...she can peak higher than Storm but she can't hold it for long. The thing with Storm is that all we've done till now is show her throwing lightning bolts and creating hurricanes, but she can do far more. Phoenix is more visual - the 'bird effect' is more spectacular. So the gist of it is that they complement each other. They do different things in different ways."
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Back in 1979?It's really a choir having to display all my points for you.
You forgot SIMILAR IN EFFECT "TO THE POWER OF THE PHOENIX" POWER OF....POWER
"If not origin...." means they thought it actually CAME from Phoenix.
Stop reaching. 😆
Damn, I mean like again....... today. 😘
Originally posted by 2damnloud
Yep. You really have nothing to validate your claim other than who APPEARS to be more powerful.
If you're trying to claim the blast as as powerful as something Phoenix back then could put out, I don't think it'd be too bad. But if you're trying to claim it was as powerful as something Phoenix could put out now, you're off your rocker.
It just says it's the same style of energy, if not THE same, as Phoenix's. And strong enough to blow a hole through the blackbird if you feel like using the visual as canon today.
The interview excerpt basically said they are different, yet approx. equal in raw power.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Is this about the Blaze shot? My only validation is what's on the caption. It says the blast is similar, if not the same, as Phoenix's power or "The power of the Phoenix". If it's not the same power Phoenix uses, it's very similar. The same type.If you're trying to claim the blast as as powerful as something Phoenix back then could put out, I don't think it'd be too bad. But if you're trying to claim it was as powerful as something Phoenix could put out now, you're off your rocker.
It just says it's the same style of energy, if not THE same, as Phoenix's. And strong enough to blow a hole through the blackbird if you feel like using the visual as canon today.
Back in 1979, before he said Phoenix in 1979 was supposed to be as powerful as Storm.
Stop dodging this: "Similar in EFFECT"🙄
Her blast have the power to destroy the earth if she even USES them.
Anyhow, that blast is>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Magneto's power.
