Storm vs Magneto pt 2

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
I feel the same way about 90% of the stuff that you come up with.

So, you can't dispute me though without being fallacious

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Lifting a skyscraper? That page shows neither a skyscraper nor the entire building severed from its foundation.

Again, false logic.

You've made "lifting", in your mind, biconditonal. "If she is lifting the building, then why is it not seperated from it's foundation"

All this notwithstanding the FACT that Johnny said he was destroying the supports for AN entire building.

IN CONTEXT we can infer that....

The above can also be a straw grasp at art not matching the narration PERFECTLY, also notwithstanding completely IGNORANCE the context.

Piss poor debating Swanky😘

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
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It's called logic, buddy. If she can regularly absorb millions and/or billions of stars why does any energy attack hurt her? Forty years of lower appearances can't be written off. It can be chalked up as a one time feat. It could be the brood dna mixing with her own. It could not be the entire core to begin with seeing as it defies logic and physics.

It's DUMB logic. Her ability to manip millions of stars CAN have precedence in her durability with reagard to energy, then again it MAY NOT. BOTH have absolute NOTHING to do with her actual ABILITY to summon millions of Stars.

Also about Physics. Magneto's powers would be completely unsupported by earths Magnetic Fields with regard to the stuff he does.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
New theory. I'll need to see the scan again. I know you have it bookmarked.

Who's asking you to know what the author was thinking? And when have you ever seen narration and art screw up that bad? I don't think I've ever seen such an erroneous screw up.

Galactic Core: The art and the narration do not match PERFECTLY, so she's not summoning it's FULL power. 😘

Why is this even a debate? magneto easily takes this.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
So, you can't dispute me though without being fallacious

Again, false logic.

You've made "lifting", in your mind, biconditonal. "If she is lifting the building, then why is it not seperated from it's foundation"

All this notwithstanding the FACT that Johnny said he was destroying the supports for AN entire building.

IN CONTEXT we can infer that....

The above can also be a straw grasp at art not matching the narration PERFECTLY, also notwithstanding completely IGNORANCE the context.

Piss poor debating Swanky😘

It's DUMB logic. Her ability to manip millions of stars CAN have precedence in her durability with reagard to energy, then again it MAY NOT. BOTH have absolute NOTHING to do with her actual ABILITY to summon millions of Stars.

Also about Physics. Magneto's powers would be completely unsupported by earths Magnetic Fields with regard to the stuff he does.

Galactic Core: The art and the narration do not match PERFECTLY, so she's not summoning it's FULL power. 😘

Originally posted by 2damnloud
So, you can't ispute me though without being fallacious

Again, false logic.

You've made "lifting", in your mind, biconditonal. "If she is lifting the building, then why is it not seperated from it's foundation"

All this not withstanding the FACT that Johnny said he was detroying the supports for AN entire building.

IN CONTEXT we can infer that....

The above can also be a straw grasp at not art matching the narration PERFECTLY, also notwithstanding completely IGNORANCE the context.

Piss poor debating Swanky😘

There's a video floating around the internet of a building that had its demolition charges blown and it failed to collapse completely. I don't mean like a few walls stood, nearly the entire building was in tact, leaning slightly to the side.

It's DUMB logic. Her ability to manip millions of stars CAN have precedence in her durability with reagard to energy, then again it MAY NOT. BOTH have absolute NOTHING to do with her actual ABILITY to summon millions of Stars.

Also about Physics. Magneto's powers would be completely unsupported by earths Magnetic Fields with regard to the stuff he does.

Galactic Core: The art and the narration do not match PERFECTLY, so she's not summoning it's FULL power. 😘

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
That's just the thing. You base it off your interpretation but my claims hold ground in my interpretation which is no better or no worse than your own.

You use fallacious arguments though. Challenge my interpretation without fallacies. You can't, therefore my interpretation hold true.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna

What the? How can she lift the building without lifting the entire thing off its foundation? THAT is false logic. The building could of very well stood with simply one row of walls in its basement knocked down.

There's a video floating around the internet of a building that had its demolition charges blown and it failed to collapse completely. I don't mean like a few walls stood, nearly the entire building was in tact, leaning slightly to the side.

All you saw was HER, UNDER IT, FLOATING, WITH IT SUSPENDED ON TOP OF HER🙄

Plus, you have Johnny's dialog, as well as ART, in the context of him destroying the supports.

Simple. 🙄

Also there is NO correltion between that building standing and the dyanmics of what was going on with Storm an that building.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Scan please.

A scan of what??

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna

Why would Earth's magnetic field support Magneto? It's pretty weak.

Earth's magnetic is not strong enough to support ripping of humans diamagnetism. You would need trillions and trillons of times more power.

There are no resources in Earths' Magnetic field that would support that.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna

God forbid I hold up Storm's highest feat to a benchmark every comic I've ever read and every scan I've ever seen, sans that one, has met.

😕

Originally posted by 2damnloud
You use fallacious arguments though. Challenge my interpretation without fallacies. You can't, therefore my interpretation hold true.

crazy The irony. Dear god the irony.

2damn, every question you've asked me i have tried my best to answer. Granted, you've not agreed with my responses, and i admit i haven't agreed with yours.

You still haven't answered some of my questions though:

- Where does it say in Unlimited #1 that Storm negates ALL of Sienna's attack? Come on, where is that word "ALL" that you kept using in your previous statements? I don't see the word "ALL" on that caption.
- If i have a 5 litre container....(you should know the rest by now) and pour 100 litres of water into it, what is the excess that the container cannot hold?
- Who is the better leader, Scott or O?

I keep asking because you still haven't answered, or dimiss it as bullshit. Fine, you think it's bullshit, but then again, i think most of the stuff you write is bullshit too. If you don't answer, i'll just have to assume you concede, although i know you are far too proud to do so. And who knows, maybe you will one day manage to make me see what you are talking about???

Point one illustrates that it DOESN'T ever say in that issue that she did ALL the work herself. You can continue to keep saying that because she can absorb Galactic Core energies it must mean she did the majority of the work. But it is still SPECULATION because it is not stated so in the comic. I am NOT asking you to read anything into my comments or the writer's comments. The funny thing is, YOU are reading into the comments written on the page by ASSUMING she does all the work. Until you grasp this concept, i am happily going to repeat myself.

Point 2 should be easy. The answer is 95 litres, right? All i am doing is showing you that the interpretation of "excess" is open to debate. Just because you and Rutog have used the above logic (here we go again....she can absorb a Galactic Core so it stands to reason the excess Cyclops dealt with was minimal), doesn't mean you are right. Because....ta-da! You are speculating once more! Just as it is speculation from my end that she didn't deal with the majority of the blast. Again, until you grasp this concept and concede then that it is incorrect for you to state that Storm dealt with all of Sienna's blast, i will repeat ad infinitum.

I'm still waiting for an answer to point 3. According to Chris Claremont who wrote the issue i have in mind (can someone tell me the number....i forget.....it was the one where they fight the Sidri i think, and Scott finds out Corsair is his daddy), Storm openly concedes that Scott is a better leader. By your logic, that makes him categorically better, regardless of any win/loss ratios he or Storm may have. Because, you know, Magneto has openly conceded that Storm is more powerful than him, so it must be right?

Originally posted by yestinchong
2damn, every question you've asked me i have tried my best to answer. Granted, you've not agreed with my responses, and i admit i haven't agreed with yours.

You still haven't answered some of my questions though:

- Where does it say in Unlimited #1 that Storm negates ALL of Sienna's attack? Come on, where is that word "ALL" that you kept using in your previous statements? I don't see the word "ALL" on that caption.
- If i have a 5 litre container....(you should know the rest by now) and pour 100 litres of water into it, what is the excess that the container cannot hold?
- Who is the better leader, Scott or O?

I keep asking because you still haven't answered, or dimiss it as bullshit. Fine, you think it's bullshit, but then again, i think most of the stuff you write is bullshit too. If you don't answer, i'll just have to assume you concede, although i know you are far too proud to do so. And who knows, maybe you will one day manage to make me see what you are talking about???

Point one illustrates that it DOESN'T ever say in that issue that she did ALL the work herself. You can continue to keep saying that because she can absorb Galactic Core energies it must mean she did the majority of the work. But it is still SPECULATION because it is not stated so in the comic. I am NOT asking you to read anything into my comments or the writer's comments. The funny thing is, YOU are reading into the comments written on the page by ASSUMING she does all the work. Until you grasp this concept, i am happily going to repeat myself.

Point 2 should be easy. The answer is 95 litres, right? All i am doing is showing you that the interpretation of "excess" is open to debate. Just because you and Rutog have used the above logic (here we go again....she can absorb a Galactic Core so it stands to reason the excess Cyclops dealt with was minimal), doesn't mean you are right. Because....ta-da! You are speculating once more! Just as it is speculation from my end that she didn't deal with the majority of the blast. Again, until you grasp this concept and concede then that it is incorrect for you to state that Storm dealt with all of Sienna's blast, i will repeat ad infinitum.

I'm still waiting for an answer to point 3. According to Chris Claremont who wrote the issue i have in mind (can someone tell me the number....i forget.....it was the one where they fight the Sidri i think, and Scott finds out Corsair is his daddy), Storm openly concedes that Scott is a better leader. By your logic, that makes him categorically better, regardless of any win/loss ratios he or Storm may have. Because, you know, Magneto has openly conceded that Storm is more powerful than him, so it must be right?

The hell 😕

Shouldn't you be directing that to Rutog?? I''ve been done with Siena Blaze.

No.....i'd like you to answer the questions and points i made. I don't care if you think they are bullshit points, i would still appreciate a set of answers, debated as logically as you can.

Originally posted by yestinchong
No.....i'd like you to answer the questions and points i made. I don't care if you think they are bullshit points, i would still appreciate a set of answers, debated as logically as you can.

Never made any of the above points though 🙄

About defining excess? Yes you certainly did.

And if you look back at what you stated about Storm redirecting ALL of Sienna's blast....you'll find i am addressing that point too.

The last point about leadership i am asking based on the logic you answered to me a while back. You said that the highest quoted feat or piece written in the comic was the basis you took for gauging a character's powerset or abilities. I'm now asking the question about who you think is a better leader. If you don't want to answer that on this thread, then PM me your answer.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
You use fallacious arguments though. Challenge my interpretation without fallacies. You can't, therefore my interpretation hold true.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
That's just the thing. You base it off your interpretation but my claims hold ground in my interpretation which is no better or no worse than your own.

All you saw was HER, UNDER IT, FLOATING, WITH IT SUSPENDED ON TOP OF HER🙄

Plus, you have Johnny's dialog, as well as ART, in the context of him destroying the supports.

Simple. 🙄

Also there is NO correltion between that building standing and the dyanmics of what was going on with Storm an that building.

A scan of what??

Of course that's probably completely unfeasible to you because it entailed independent thought.

Earth's magnetic is not strong enough to support ripping of humans diamagnetism. You would need trillions and trillons of times more power.

There are no resources in Earths' Magnetic field that would support that.

😕

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
For your request to work you have you work outside your standard box and stop calling the way I interpret text false.

I am. And I would stop calling you out if you didn't give me a reason to.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna

But it doesn't show the entire building seperated from the ground so saying the building was suspended is pure speculation on your part. Johnny's damage was, at best, a line of damage through the basement of that building, because it shows him flying in a straight line through the basement of that building. Except for the entry and exit points, the walls were in tact. Storm then tore a corner out of the building and we see the debris above her from that. At best she was preventing the building from tipping or at least the remains above her from collapsing from the damage she herself caused.

Again, the scans show the Building supended above her. From this, in conjuction with Johnny's dailog, we can gather that he destroyed either all the supports so the building would fall, enough supports for the building to fall, or the pivotal supports at certain points for the building to fall. His dialog stated structural supports for an entire building. Whatever it was, "ENTIRE BUILDING" was implied, or better still, PLAINLY STATED.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna

I found it. The galactic core feat can saved from looking like it was executed by a monkey if it's meant to be like she summons the its full power to her, but since not even light travels fast enough to constitute summoning the entire thing in the short time it portrayed the event taking place, she takes in as much as she can before it burns her, and the embryo, out and she's left near death.

Of course that's probably completely unfeasible to you because it entailed independent thought.

Doesn't matter. It happened. It''s a comic book. It said the ENTIRE CORE, not as much as she can.

See how you reach to minimize because you still have that stupid fallacious thinking of ''If, the, why"??

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna

Heat, light, background radiation. It could very well be self generated.

Doesn't work.

Naming parts of the spectrum doesn't say HOW his Magnetic fields on EARTH are that of a Magnetar.

Explain to me what dictates field strength, and then tell me how Magneto acomplishes this in Earth's atmosphere, using Earth's Magnetic field.

Also explain scientifically how it could be "self-generated."

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna

Yes, I've never seen caption and art out of sync enough to catch my attention except for that galactic core scan.

Explain.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
I am. And I would stop calling you out if you didn't give me a reason to.

Again, the scans show the Building supended above her. From this, in conjuction with Johnny's dailog, we can gather that he destroyed either all the supports so the building would fall, enough supports for the building to fall, or the pivotal supports at certain points for the building to fall. His dialog stated structural supports for an entire building. Whatever it was, "ENTIRE BUILDING" was implied, or better still, PLAINLY STATED.

Doesn't matter. It happened. It''s a comic book. It said the ENTIRE CORE, not as much as she can.

See how you reach to minimize because you still have that stupid fallacious thinking of ''If, the, why"??

What are you talking about "fallacious thinking"? YOU use that very method of making arguments.

Doesn't work.

Naming parts of the spectrum doesn't say HOW his Magnetic fields on EARTH are that of a Magnetar.

Explain to me what dictates field strength, and then tell me how Magneto acomplishes this in Earth's atmosphere, using Earth's Magnetic field.

Also explain scientifically how it could be "self-generated."

So you could say, I cannot prove Magneto can do the things he's been doing for over 40 years, but he has a consistency of doing them. Just as you can't prove Storm does most of your portrayals of her high feats except she's only done them once each.

Explain.

Wow! I've never seen Swanky Tuna school anybody like that before. jawdrop

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Ignoring the slightly confusing "I am", your interpretation doesn't match mine either. I could just as easily say your reasons are fallacious.

You said something about "outside the box", that's where the "I am" came from.

Explain how my reasons are fallacious.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna

The building is not suspended, that's purely your speculation. It never shows the whole building suspended so you cannot say it is, it's just a portion of overhanging building from the overhang SHE created.

There is a GAP between her HEAD an the building.

In the context of the situation, and Johnny's dialog, she suspends the ENTIRE BUILDING.

He destoryed the structural support of an entire building, he says it.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna

It also didn't say she contained the entire thing. Stars left in the background. The fact that she was almost dead after doing what she did. It kind of looks like she blew her fuses doesn't it?

Yes it did. She summoned the ENTIRE CORE.

Stars left in the background have ZERO to do with the core itself.

This is the same fallacious "If then why" logic.

Stars are left in the background of the moon. What the hell does that have to do with the moon??

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna

You too with the "minimizing". You and rudy must have a terribly low opinion of what I spend my time on if you think I just arbitrarily chose Storm to try devalue this random character. It's not minimizing, it's normalizing.

Denial is limitless in the human mind.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna

What are you talking about "fallacious thinking"? YOU use that very method of making arguments.

Prove it.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna

I guess I forgot to mention the conversion, absorbing. Of course, that's just speculation. He has a long standing record of doing these things though. Throughout his entire life. Not just 2 or 3 times over 40 years.

You said: "It's called logic, buddy. If she can regularly absorb millions and/or billions of stars why does any energy attack hurt her? Forty years of lower appearances can't be written off. It can be chalked up as a one time feat. It could be the brood dna mixing with her own. It could not be the entire core to begin with seeing as it defies logic and physics.

New theory. I'll need to see the scan again. I know you have it bookmarked."

I answered and said, Magneto's feats are not supported by Earth's Magnetic field.

You brought up Physics. And nope, try again. I don't absorbtion of other parts of the EM spectrum dictate field strength. 🙄

Magneto's entire powerset is bogus with regard to things he does.

YOU asserted that Storm's Galactic core Feat defied logic and Physics. Well, so does Magneto's entire powerset.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna

So you could say, I cannot prove Magneto can do the things he's been doing for over 40 years, but he has a consistency of doing them. Just as you can't prove Storm does most of your portrayals of her high feats except she's only done them once each.

We're talking about in the context of Physics.

In the comics, yes he can do those things.

Storm has also been manipulating Celestial energy since maybe the late 70's early 80's satrting with Uncanny#99

It doesn't matter how MUCH she did it, that doesn't negate the fact that she DID it. I could also kinda see if it was only ONCE(the argument would still be fallacious since her not doing it "enough" doesn't negate her capability to perform it) but storm has manipulated "weather" in space, or should I say used her power over particles to manipulate celestial engergies at least 4 times total, and all the way up to this PRESENT DATE.

Stop reaching 🙄

Yet he doesn't debate about Punisher with a laser gun. He must now he can't win that.

Plus i'm still waiting for some answers....

Originally posted by 2damnloud
You said something about "outside the box", that's where the "I am" came from.

Explain how my reasons are fallacious.

The same way mine are fallacious to you.

There is a GAP between her HEAD an the building.

In the context of the situation, and Johnny's dialog, she suspends the ENTIRE BUILDING.

He destoryed the structural support of an entire building, he says it.

2) Storm bursts from the the lower levels destroying maybe a quarter of the lower sections of the building. At this point she either just threw the building off balance or just left some dangerous portions of it completely unsupported above her. Fact.

3) The building is still very much connected to the ground by its outer walls and whatever's left in the basement. What we see above Storm is the above portions of the building because she just destroyed the lower portions. At best, she's keeping it from uprooting its other side from its own weight and tipping over. At worst, she's just supporting what's above her.

Yes it did. She summoned the ENTIRE CORE.

Stars left in the background have ZERO to do with the core itself.

This is the same fallacious "If then why" logic.

Stars are left in the background of the moon. What the hell does that have to do with the moon??

And you don't absorb the full power of something unless you absorb all of its energy and those stars are energy. The galactic core is supposed to be surrounded by dust clouds so it can't be the milky way in the background.

Denial is limitless in the human mind.

Prove it.

"If Storm is given he FULL credit she's >>>>> Mags."

"The Galactic Core manipulation>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Than the Tempest Magneto STRUGGLED to warp."

"She has manipulated the Galactic core, empty space, solar winds etc. which are more powerful feats with the fundemental forces of the Universe than Magneto has displayed"

If Storm == X then Storm > Magneto

If Storm > X and X > Magneto then Storm > Magneto

This time without IF: Storm can X and Magneto can Y, X > Y then Storm > Magneto

You said: "It's called logic, buddy. If she can regularly absorb millions and/or billions of stars why does any energy attack hurt her? Forty years of lower appearances can't be written off. It can be chalked up as a one time feat. It could be the brood dna mixing with her own. It could not be the entire core to begin with seeing as it defies logic and physics.

New theory. I'll need to see the scan again. I know you have it bookmarked."

I answered and said, Magneto's feats are not supported by Earth's Magnetic field.

You brought up Physics. And nope, try again. I don't absorbtion of other parts of the EM spectrum dictate field strength. 🙄

Magneto's entire powerset is bogus with regard to things he does.

YOU asserted that Storm's Galactic core Feat defied logic and Physics. Well, so does Magneto's entire powerset.

Storm has also been manipulating Celestial energy since maybe the late 70's early 80's satrting with Uncanny#99

It doesn't matter how MUCH she did it, that doesn't negate the fact that she DID it. I could also kinda see if it was only ONCE(the argument would still be fallacious since her not doing it "enough" doesn't negate her capability to perform it) but storm has manipulated "weather" in space, or should I say used her power over particles to manipulate celestial engergies at least 4 times total, and all the way up to this PRESENT DATE.

Stop reaching 🙄

Originally posted by Bentley
Yet he doesn't debate about Punisher with a laser gun. He must now he can't win that.

"Don't make me threaten you!"