Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
They don't make sense when compared to what I get from the same scans.
What you get is wrong.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
The same way mine are fallacious to you.
Your's are fallacious to me because the conclusions are almost NEVER true based on the scans.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
1) Johnny destroyed a line of walls or supports in the basement, he did not completely destroy the building's connection to its foundation as he didn't circle around the entire thing destroying the outer walls or even the supports going the other direction if there were any. He basically tunneled through its basement. Fact.2) Storm bursts from the the lower levels destroying maybe a quarter of the lower sections of the building. At this point she either just threw the building off balance or just left some dangerous portions of it completely unsupported above her. Fact.
3) The building is still very much connected to the ground by its outer walls and whatever's left in the basement. What we see above Storm is the above portions of the building because she just destroyed the lower portions. At best, she's keeping it from uprooting its other side from its own weight and tipping over. At worst, she's just supporting what's above her.
Here's the entire fight in sequential order in CONTEXT:
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http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/8993/stormvshumantorch27un.jpg
He's leading her through the basement with in the hopes that the time constraints would work against Ororo so the building can fall on her.
http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/1663/stormvshumantorch33mk.jpg
CONTEXT: He's talking to Ororo and telling her whats going on. "Unless you, the Human Torch can burn his way through walls. And when he does-- And especially when those walls provide structural support for AN ENTIRE BUILDING." 🙄
Given the SEQUENCING, the panel contraints, context, ALONG WITH Johnny's OWN WORDS. We can infer that he did infact burn away the structrual support for the entire building.
If you notice in the scan above, the background is sped up as he is flying and only burning away TWO of three strutural supports. NOT FOUR. This may indicate that he's speeding through the basment and SEQENTIALLY burning away supports. The fight didn't really need to drag out for 10 pages to show him burning each and every support and spelling it out for the less sharp, DESPERATE PEOPLE who argue in obtuseness, semantics and logical fallacies. There are like 7 smaller panels on the page to show the squence of events. Why do we need two more pages?? Most of these fights only last a couple pages(Panel Constraints)
The seqeuncing and the context are important. The two supports being burned just give us the GENERAL idea of what Johnny was doing as he was doing it and SAYING IT while taunting Storm.
Who said she tore a wall way??? That could very well be the exit point where Johnny came out.
The dibris around is not interior wall. They could very well be portions of the building crumbling around Ororo as it falls on her obviously VERY strong winds.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
You don't blow a fuse unless something overwhelms you.And you don't absorb the full power of something unless you absorb all of its energy and those stars are energy. The galactic core is supposed to be surrounded by dust clouds so it can't be the milky way in the background.
No, you blow a fuse because you can't survive in space.
Those stars could very well be light years away from the CORE.
It very well could be Milky way.
Who's knows what the vantage point is where Ororo was. It said the ENTIRE CORE.
Again, Artist don't get everything correct.
Again, you're over-analyzing a COMIC, written not by astrophysicist, but by comic book writers. And you're doing this because you want to disctredit the feat. And why do you want to discredit the feat?? Well, it could be your fallacious reasoning of "If, then, why". It's very stifling argue with someone who has that blocking them.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Isn't this you?"If Storm is given he FULL credit she's >>>>> Mags."
"The Galactic Core manipulation>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Than the Tempest Magneto STRUGGLED to warp."
"She has manipulated the Galactic core, empty space, solar winds etc. which are more powerful feats with the fundemental forces of the Universe than Magneto has displayed"
If Storm == X then Storm > Magneto
If Storm > X and X > Magneto then Storm > Magneto
This time without IF: Storm can X and Magneto can Y, X > Y then Storm > Magneto
All are true.
You should have called it out when I MADE the statements. Context is very important.
Of course YOU wouldn't know that.😊
Originally posted by Swanky-TunaThat's true, most characters to defy at least physics. But not to the tune of moving an entire galactic core's worth of energy to one point in minutes or seconds. The logic was regarding the remaining stars.
Again, you don't know ANYTHING about the Galactic Core. It's densly packed stars, not spread out over the canvas of Space.
Again, Stop reaching 😘 Which ever way the artist dipicted it, she SILL did.
If ever there was an expression of nit-picking and strawgrasping with regard to art not perfectly corroborating text, as well as being scientifically sound, thus the whole feat, within the CONTEXT of a COMICBOOK, is devalued or downright INVALID.
😘 @ your desperation.
Originally posted by Swanky-TunaJust so we're clear, I'm in no way claiming Storm can't manipulate the EM radiation in space as she does on any other planet. I just don't think it's feasible to hump a single feat to try to spin it as if she can absorbs millions and/or billions of stars worth of it at any second. Especially when the feat itself is a little weird and she burned her biscuits, to death, doing it.
She didn't "burn her biscuits" from the feat. She coudn't survive in space unaided.
That's perfectly fine if you think she can't do it. Doesn't matter really. She did it 20 years ago, she can do it again, especialy under Claremont's pen. 😄
She's Mistress of the Elements, man.
Originally posted by yestinchong
^ So basically, you can't prove anything.You are still speculating over what is written within the text of the comic issue (Unlimited #1). I brought up all that stuff about Cyclops' blasts to prove to you that his blasts are interpreted differently by everybody. I personally DON'T believe he can destroy adamantium, but it was to highlight how you have shot yourself in the foot. You are quoting and believing what is said about his blasts from one comic (the commonly stated fact that he can level mountains) but NOT accepting his highest showing (that he can destroy adamantium). According to 2damn, you have to take the character's highest showings to prove how powerful they are (to be fair, you never said this,he did, but it might as well be one and the same). So if you disagree with me, you're disagreeing with 2damn.
Another SPECULATIVE question from me. Who's to say Cyclops wasn't holding back when he blasted the snow? You might say that it was because Prof X told him to open his eyes as wide as he dared, but then i'll ask, "Why did Cyclops withstand Storm's lightning blasts when she had summoned down as much as she could?"
I will repeat myself again: nobody can say how much of Sienna's blast was dealt with by Storm, Cyke or the glacier. You are making SPECULATIVE comments that she did ALL the work. You then ask me to read the panels again....as if that will work. Reading the panels again show that Cyclops delas with the excess. Point out to me where it says Storm deals with the majority. You can't. Therefore the burden is on YOU to prove your comment that she negates it ALL.
Two more questions unanswered:
- If i have a 5 litre container and fill it with 100 litres, what is the exces from this?
- Who is the better leader, Cyclops or Storm?
Magneto still wins 10/10. He would whup-ass both Storm and Cylops combined.
Once again.
How did Storm do ALL (i repeat, ALL) the work in negating Sienna's blast?
1) The issue that stated Scott can destroy adamantium was hyperbole. He is no world destroyer. Sienna Blaze is.
2) Scott was not holding back when he blasted the snow because he stripped off the ruby that hold his power in check and opened his eyes as wide as he could.
3) We know that the glacier did not do much at all. Sienna laughed at it This issue said that she had the power to split the planet like a ripe melon and this is a character who can casually toss blasts that can sink countries. In other words, calling her laugh a bluff is totally ridiculous and a desperate reach on your part. This is all well beyond the scope of a glacier to deal with or Scott's blasts. Storm was the only force there that could realistically draw upon the resources to deal with the energies. Scott just got what was left over.
4) Your container thing is very, very foolish and a desperate attempt to try and warp the comics dipiction. For Scott and the glacier combined to do most of the work (or even 30 percent of the work), it would require that Sienna's powers be brought way down from what had been established and Scott's blasts be brought up to levels that he has never had. The issue stated in plain english that his blasts could level mountains. That was the level he was at (assuming even THAT was not hyperbole). Your speculation does not fit the facts and its very desperate. You are trying anyway you can to try and deprive the character of power levels given to her.
5) I don't care to debate about who is the better leader between Ororo and Scott.
The rest is gibberish. (Actually, the whole post was gibberish.)
Originally posted by Rutog98
That's because we have right on our side. When we log on, we speak the truth and you naysayers can't deal with us.:::Rutog and 2Loud slaps a high five:::
So it does cause you pain then . . .
BTW if you look at 2damn's posts I'm pretty sure she's bulimic (how else do you explain the constant vomiting). You might want to stage an intervention.
Originally posted by Rutog984) Your container thing is very, very foolish and a desperate attempt to try and warp the comics dipiction. For Scott and the glacier combined to do most of the work (or even 30 percent of the work), it would require that Sienna's powers be brought way down from what had been established and Scott's blasts be brought up to levels that he has never had. The issue stated in plain english that his blasts could level mountains. That was the level he was at (assuming even THAT was not hyperbole). Your speculation does not fit the facts and its very desperate. You are trying anyway you can to try and deprive the character of power levels given to her.
I just wanted to add/edit this with a few more sentences:
4) Your container thing is very, very foolish and a desperate attempt to try and warp the comics dipiction. For Scott and the glacier combined to do most of the work (or even 30 percent of the work), it would require that Sienna's powers be brought way down from what had been established and Scott's blasts be brought up to levels that he has never had. The issue established neither of these conditions and actually establishes Sienna as a world-destroyer and Scott as a mere mountain leveller. The issue stated in plain english that his blasts could level mountains. That was the level he was at (assuming even THAT was not hyperbole). Your speculation does not fit the facts and its very desperate. You are trying anyway you can to try and deprive the character of power levels given to her.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
So it does cause you pain then . . .BTW if you look at 2damn's posts I'm pretty sure she's bulimic (how else do you explain the constant vomiting). You might want to stage an intervention.
Nope, it doesn't case me pain. I take great pleasure in causing you, Tuna, etc pain, though. 😄
Originally posted by 2damnloud
What you get is wrong.Your's are fallacious to me because the conclusions are almost NEVER true based on the scans.
Here's the entire fight in sequential order in CONTEXT
No, you blow a fuse because you can't survive in space.
Those stars could very well be light years away from the CORE.It very well could be Milky way.
Who's knows what the vantage point is where Ororo was. It said the ENTIRE CORE.
Again, Artist don't get everything correct.
Again, you're over-analyzing a COMIC, written not by astrophysicist, but by comic book writers. And you're doing this because you want to disctredit the feat. And why do you want to discredit the feat??
She went through a nebula to get there. There's purple streaks in the background, looks like more surrounding nebula.
I'll stick with not.
Well, it could be your fallacious reasoning of "If, then, why". It's very stifling argue with someone who has that blocking them.
All are true.You should have called it out when I MADE the statements. Context is very important.
Of course YOU wouldn't know that.😊
I don't know what your whining about context for. The context doesn't show a suspended building. That is that.
Again, you don't know ANYTHING about the Galactic Core. It's densly packed stars, not spread out over the canvas of Space.Again, Stop reaching 😘 Which ever way the artist dipicted it, she SILL did.
If ever there was an expression of nit-picking and strawgrasping with regard to art not perfectly corroborating text, as well as being scientifically sound, thus the whole feat, within the CONTEXT of a COMICBOOK, is devalued or downright INVALID.😘 @ your desperation.
She didn't "burn her biscuits" from the feat. She coudn't survive in space unaided.
That's perfectly fine if you think she can't do it. Doesn't matter really. She did it 20 years ago, she can do it again, especialy under Claremont's pen. 😄
Originally posted by Rutog98
2Loud is saying it all. I just read through these lst few pages and he is really hitting the nail on the head!
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Anyone else think that debating against 2damn and GutRot causes them real physical pain?
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Except that you're not causing me pain since I don't really care about this as much as you're obsessing over it.
Not obsessing, just telling the truth is all. A truth that you and the others can't handle. Really, all 2Loud and I are doing is pointing out what is written in canon and sticking with it. Your side is the one obsession as you people are always trying to come up with ways to twist what is plainly stated in canon. You guys put lots of mental energy on this.
