oh, and nj -- regarding your -- 'since spiral is in the ebony blade should be in . . .' logic: in direct conflict, (as shown in BK's meeting with spiral) ebony blade>>>spiral.
i actually tried telling goob the blade shouldn't be in, and said in this thread that it should be banned.
no one listened. 🙁
EB ALONE would have been plenty. both uber-swords DOES seem a bit much. ESPECIALLY since he has never EVER used both at the same time.
Originally posted by leonidas
that flies in the face of goober's confirmation re: the emma feat and her getting through shields.i was under the impression that knowledege of 'powers' fell under sort of 'special' knowledge that all characters had. if what you all say is true, MANY feats accomplished by the 'power' character could be called into question. how unbelieveably disconcerting would it be for ironman to be firing blasts from arms that are several meters away from him??
how can you be sure bigfoot -- in 10 mins -- would be able to turn just parts of himself intangible like he was doing?
i think goob's initial rule (and the one he once again confirmed with kandy) only makes sense.
&^%$# bottom of the page!
Originally posted by leonidas
oh, and nj -- regarding your -- 'since spiral is in the ebony blade should be in . . .' logic: in direct conflict, (as shown in BK's meeting with spiral) ebony blade>>>spiral.i actually tried telling goob the blade shouldn't be in, and said in this thread that it should be banned.
no one listened. 🙁
I did . . .
I even brought up the problem when BK was first drafted.
Originally posted by leonidas
that flies in the face of goober's confirmation re: the emma feat and her getting through shields.i was under the impression that knowledege of 'powers' fell under sort of 'special' knowledge that all characters had. if what you all say is true, MANY feats accomplished by the 'power' character could be called into question. how unbelieveably disconcerting would it be for ironman to be firing blasts from arms that are several meters away from him??
how can you be sure bigfoot -- in 10 mins -- would be able to turn just parts of himself intangible like he was doing?
i think goob's initial rule (and the one he once again confirmed with kandy) only makes sense.
There's a difference between knowing how to use powers and knowing how to pull off high end skill feats. You can be a more powerful telepath than Emma and not be as skilled as she is. Telapathy in itself is the power, Emma's use and style with those skills is her own.
Jim Rhodes would be able to read minds, use mental bolts, mind wipe, turn diamond, etc, but the precision feats that aren't just part of the ability set wouldn't be at his disposal unless he could prove it's viable. That comes with experience. A tech genius mind with technopathy as a power is more likely to pull of a high end feat with the abilities than a soldier in an exo suit with telepathy.
That was my reasoning. And that was what was stated in the drafts.
Originally posted by leonidasI'll put it this way BK was well under Ironman level even if he did have both swords 😛
oh, and nj -- regarding your -- 'since spiral is in the ebony blade should be in . . .' logic: in direct conflict, (as shown in BK's meeting with spiral) ebony blade>>>spiral.i actually tried telling goob the blade shouldn't be in, and said in this thread that it should be banned.
no one listened. 🙁
EB ALONE would have been plenty. both uber-swords DOES seem a bit much. ESPECIALLY since he has never EVER used both at the same time.
The Blade is still not worse than some of the stuff that has been let in. Ironman's armor has KOed two heralds of Galactus.
The sword is less versatile then Thunderstrike's mace and Spiral's Magic.
It it isn't a guaranteed one show kill unless I hit you in a vital area. Sabertooth had the same kind of lethality.
There are a few more things in this tourney that are actually more dangerous than Bk's Sword.
Heck BW's Spots almost make him unhittable. Sebastien Shaw almost completely disregards all physical punishment.
Roldz guy could mist and return to normal form completely healed.
Your guy's spells have already KOed Herc and has shown the ability to move a large cybernetic factory through Space and Time.
And your mad about my sword 😬
Originally posted by illadelph12No that is where you are flawed.
Newjak, PLEASE let it go. Your reasoning is severely flawed. There's no parallels between what leo's doing and what you're doing. If you gain powers with the soul absorption it's banned. If you just gain info (which Leo is doing) it's legal.And T'Challa's fighting skills aren't a power.
The fact is there are three categories
Body
Power
MIND
And Leo was allowed to Amp one of his categories even boasting in his match it made him stronger for the next round. He now has access to every single fighting feat of BP history and the knowledge BP has on characters as well. So if Leo gets to fight someone BP is familiar with he just gained extensive knowledge about them. Even though his own character wouldn't.
The fact is we are allowing one of the categories to be amped and I didn't do anything his character didn't. His guy absorbed their knowledge I absorbed their powers.
There is no difference at all. What is the point of having categories if one is going to be treated different then another. If you are allowed to amp one you should be allowed to amp all.
Heck even B-Dub's guy's body will get stronger because Sebastian Shaw will retain some of the strenght he gained throughout each fight.
Don't tell me they are different the fact is that Leo did amp one of categories no matter how big or small and now I can not do the same for another. It is STUPID.
Originally posted by illadelph12
There's a difference between knowing how to use powers and knowing how to pull off high end skill feats. You can be a more powerful telepath than Emma and not be as skilled as she is. Telapathy in itself is the power, Emma's use and style with those skills is her own.Jim Rhodes would be able to read minds, use mental bolts, mind wipe, turn diamond, etc, but the precision feats that aren't just part of the ability set wouldn't be at his disposal unless he could prove it's viable. That comes with experience. A tech genius mind with technopathy as a power is more likely to pull of a high end feat with the abilities than a soldier in an exo suit with telepathy.
That was my reasoning. And that was what was stated in the drafts.
i understand completely what you're saying, my friend. i think we were just seeing the rules differently. roldz and kk asked if the mind character had full knowledge of how to USE the powers to their fullest. goob replied in the affirmative. to me, that means that rhodey COULD pull the kind of precision feat emma did.
wish i could find the post, but i'm not sure where it is. but full knowledge of the powers and how to use them seems to imply that the SKILL to use them to their utmost must also be present, no?
Originally posted by Newjak
I'll put it this way BK was well under Ironman level even if he did have both swords 😛The Blade is still not worse than some of the stuff that has been let in. Ironman's armor has KOed two heralds of Galactus.
The sword is less versatile then Thunderstrike's mace and Spiral's Magic.
It it isn't a guaranteed one show kill unless I hit you in a vital area. Sabertooth had the same kind of lethality.
There are a few more things in this tourney that are actually more dangerous than Bk's Sword.
Heck BW's Spots almost make him unhittable. Sebastien Shaw almost completely disregards all physical punishment.
Roldz guy could mist and return to normal form completely healed.
Your guy's spells have already KOed Herc and has shown the ability to move a large cybernetic factory through Space and Time.
And your mad about my sword 😬
i pulled a cybernetic factory through space . . .? 😕 the body shoppe is in a different dimension. i can reach it through teleporting instantly though in prep.
i'm gonna say that with the sword and shield of light, BK could CERTAINLY give IM a run for his money. likewise with just the EB. with BOTH -- BK>IM
my own 1hko's have been banned by rule, so they are irrelevant to this event -- leaving entirely the actual CONTEXT in which said ko's happened, that i have related ad nauseum . . .
actually, it's all irrelevant -- you DO have the swords. soul-sucking to gain powers is power absorption though, accomplished by killing an opponent. i'd say that was detrimental to the opponent. given a choice of having my powers drained and copied by rogue, or BK, i'm thinking most would choose rogue.
and no, you don' take them from a 'dead person'. AS they die, you claim their souls. beyond that (the actual legalities of the feat), there are other questions that could/should be raised in regards to your argument, but those can be handled in a match as i don't think it appropriate to debate your actual strategy here. 🙂
Originally posted by illadelph12You have got to be kidding me. He uses DH2 to take their knowledge and it is amping but I take their powers and it is absorption. Like I said why even have the stupid categories then if one is going to be treated with such favor over another. IT isn't right.
No.He gained knowledge/information and "amped" his amalgam. Amalgam amping is skyfather limit and legal. Power copying is banned.
Simple.
And I'm not discussing it further.
Originally posted by leonidasIM would own BK even with two swords what more do I need to say 😬
i understand completely what you're saying, my friend. i think we were just seeing the rules differently. roldz and kk asked if the mind character had full knowledge of how to USE the powers to their fullest. goob replied in the affirmative. to me, that means that rhodey COULD pull the kind of precision feat emma did.wish i could find the post, but i'm not sure where it is. but full knowledge of the powers and how to use them seems to imply that the SKILL to use them to their utmost must also be present, no?
i pulled a cybernetic factory through space . . .? 😕 the body shoppe is in a different dimension. i can reach it through teleporting instantly though in prep.
i'm gonna say that with the sword and shield of light, BK could CERTAINLY give IM a run for his money. likewise with just the EB. with BOTH -- BK>IM
my own 1hko's have been banned by rule, so they are irrelevant to this event -- leaving entirely the actual CONTEXT in which said ko's happened, that i have related ad nauseum . . .
actually, it's all irrelevant -- you DO have the swords. soul-sucking to gain powers is power absorption though, accomplished by killing an opponent. i'd say that was detrimental to the opponent. given a choice of having my powers drained and copied by rogue, or BK, i'm thinking most would choose rogue.
and no, you don' take them from a 'dead person'. AS they die, you claim their souls. beyond that (the actual legalities of the feat), there are other questions that could/should be raised in regards to your argument, but those can be handled in a match as i don't think it appropriate to debate your actual strategy here. 🙂
Originally posted by leonidas
full knowledge of the powers and how to use them seems to imply that the SKILL to use them to their utmost must also be present, no?
Nope.
Full knowledge of how to use powers doesn't mean full skill.
I can have full knowledge of how to use a gun, but it doesn't mean I'm pulling off a 4 ricochet head shot from 200 feet.
I could have Mr. Fantastic's shape shifting abilities but not have his intelligence and be able to take full advantage of my malleability in the ways he does.
Understand now brotha?
Originally posted by Symmetric ChaosHe can only use two at a time and in essence him carrying two swords is the same as him carrying both the sword and shield.
Two swords and a shield.Two swords and a shield that negate pretty much all of IM's attacks.
And Ironman is still stronger, and has many other items that can hurt Dane. The biggest problem with Dane has always been his durability he can be injured pretty easily 😬
Originally posted by Newjak
IM would own BK even with two swords what more do I need to say 😬
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what exactly would IM do? no blasts of any type. most other attacks are easily handled. hell, even his PUNCHES would be absorbed by the shield and turned against him. BK's armor is ALSO amped and gives uber protection.
tony might be able to figure out a way, but it would need to be pis because nothing he has would be of any use and BK could slice him open like a can of baked beans.
Originally posted by leonidasDrop a building on him, Sonic scramblers, grab the shield and chuck it. 😕
❌what exactly would IM do? no blasts of any type. most other attacks are easily handled. hell, even his PUNCHES would be absorbed by the shield and turned against him. BK's armor is ALSO amped and gives uber protection.
tony might be able to figure out a way, but it would need to be pis because nothing he has would be of any use and BK could slice him open like a can of baked beans.
You make it sound like BK has never been beaten. He has in fact been beaten by far less than Ironman before.
Hyde took him down before. Robots have beaten him before when he had both the shield and sword.
Is BK dangerous yes but in the same way that Wolverine is dangerous.
Ok this evidently needs clarifying on my part. You DO get access to the full range of powers from your "Powers" character. The only time it's dependent on your "Mind" character, is when your "Mind" would actually(and directly) determine whether or not you'd be able to accomplish the feat. For instance...
If you had a matter manipulator that could create anything he could imagine, that power would carry over to the amalgam and you'd have full proficiency with that ability. However, your "Mind" character would determine just WHAT your character is capable of imagining.
Does that make sense?