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You don't like Dooku. So in every fight which Dooku is in it, you think he would lose...
Anyways, this all depends on if it's ROTS or DE Sidious and if it's Star Forge Powered Malak or regular Malak. SF Malak and Revan vs. ROTS Dooku and Sidious = Revan hold off Sidious, Malak beats Dooku, the duo takes Sidious. SF vs. DE Sidious = Sidious and Dooku, Sidious kills Revan first, then he and Dooku pwn Malak. Regular Malak and Revan likely lose to even ROTS Dooku and Sidious, that could go eitehr way, though.
Originally posted by vader11
You don't like Dooku. So in every fight which Dooku is in it, you think he would lose...
Dooku has no true skills. He cannot fight. ROTS Anakin took his head off so easily. If Dooku or Tyrannus was all that then George Lucas would have had him put up a much better fight. Do you people think that Dooku beats Bane or Revan or Malak? I highly doubt he beats NJO Luke or Jacen Solo. I doubt he beats Drath Krayt. Dooku is a fair fighter but he coward out and left Yoda. Why is it that Dooku took Anakin's hand off in AOTC and then in ROTS, Anakin slices off his head.
Originally posted by LORDSIDIOUS01
Dooku has no true skills.
Firstly,
Originally posted by Advent
1.) Dooku is called by narration to be exactly "one of the most respected and powerful Jedi [b]in the Order's twenty-five-thousand-year history", and is stated to be "an even greater Sith" (by narration, and Yoda's dialogue indicates this as well); albeit, it's true he's not "number 2" of the era, but he's what? Like the fifth best in an era where the Jedi Order is at its prime? Above the likes of Obi-Wan, Grievous, Sora, Maul, etc. A little more impressive, I'd say.2.) Let's see, his displays of Force mastery suggests his power is tremendous (and what did Malak ever do with the Force that was impressive, btw? Choking a guard? Lol. Dooku choked out Komari Vosa.). There's the fact ROTS Obi-Wan isn't even a match for Dooku's Force power, he was owned at literally the flick of the wrist:
"He gathered the Force once more in a single indrawn breath that summoned power from throughout the universe; the slightest whipcrack of that power, negligent as a flick of his wrist, sent Kenobi flying backward to crash hard against the wall."
Also note that he did this while fending off Anakin. He also did tool Asajj Ventress, who we know is pretty powerful. Not the strongest, but still. And he also - with one finger - brought Ventress down to her knees:
"Her face went pale. Dooku lifted that one finger, and this time he tapped it in the air, as if pushing a needle into a pincushion. Ventress crumpled to her knees. Her voice came out clotted with pain. Dooku made another little patting motion, and Ventress slammed to the tile floor. "
So, we have a flick of the wrist, a tap of the finger, patting motion. "Strong in the Force this one is", eh? From the AOTC novelization, when he puts Anakin out of commission for a time:
"Dooku's hand shot out toward the charging Jedi, sending forth a Force push as solid as any stone wall, and a burst of blue Force lightning. With a wave of his hand, Dooku sent Anakin flying across the room, to crash into a distant wall, where he slumped down, dazed.
He was able to completely revitalize himself using just the Force (ROTS novel), suggesting he doesn't need some dumbass Jedi captives to do it. We know he's obviously a proficient Force lightning user by his displays in AOTC, and other various things. He was able to own Sora Bulq, and knock him out with Force lightning:
As seen in the background is Tholme, who himself is no weakling was battling against Dooku 2-on-1 with Sora, and even so Dooku still beat Sora, and right after spared Tholme, only of course, after owning him with his saber as well:
Really though, Dooku has a vast amount of training, and experience over Malak. Roughly 80+ years of it. Since we know he was trained as a youngling, he has about 70+ years experience as a Jedi, and 13 years as a Sith Lord. Now, we know experience definitely isn't everything, however, to deny it gives an advantage is purely ridiculous. For example, throughout those years - he is stated to know "Every weakness of Ataru" (his duel against Yoda obviously didn't end in a victory, however, Yoda's pure skill is probably better than anything).
And within those years, has mastered Makashi - the lightsaber to lightsaber form - to it's highest degree. Admittedly, forms are necessity for victory, however, it's clue that Dooku's lightsaber skills are no joke.
He has also bested Mace Windu in personal combat before, now Windu wasn't at his peak, however, he still beat him (it's kind of irrelevant to even bring up, but just to add to the fact. He's also described as "Dooku, consummate planner, consummate duelist." Consummate meaning perfect or to the highest degree. Clearly Dooku's skill with a lightsaber is amazing. Even Yoda comments on his skills:
"Yoda stirred again with his stick. "Then best of all would be the strongest student, yes? Wisest? Most learned in the ways of the Force?" He nodded. "Best of all, Dooku would be!"
Calling him the strongest student, and one that has learned the most. We also know Dooku is more powerful than Grievous, who has slain numerous Jedi Masters with ease (Council member as well), Asajj Ventress, and so on. [/B]
Secondly, you're an idiot.
ROTS Anakin took his head off so easily.
That only speaks volumes for Anakin's skill, it doesn't subtract from Count Dooku's.
If Dooku or Tyrannus was all that then George Lucas would have had him put up a much better fight.
George Lucas knew exactly what he was doing, he was merely displaying to the audience just how talented Anakin actually had become.
Do you people think that Dooku beats Bane or Revan or Malak?
Malak, yes. Furthermore, if you're unable to defeat those three aforementioned characters, it doesn't necessarily mean you lack skill, unless you mean to tell me that Grievous, Obi-Wan, and the like are inadequate in their own technique.
I highly doubt he beats NJO Luke or Jacen Solo.
Not many can, indeed, not even Yoda could defeat Luke in the NJO, and beyond. But really, do you have a point? None of the combatants in this thread could. The rest are ridiculous, as well. And I'd venture to argue that Count Dooku could overwhelm Krayt, considering he hasn't displayed anything truly impressive, and none of his subordinates have shown an aptitude for combat prowess (whether lightsaber or force) that topples Tyranus' own (for those who use the 'strongest Sith rules' defense)
Why is it that Dooku took Anakin's hand off in AOTC and then in ROTS, Anakin slices off his head.
Because Anakin grew exponentially in power? Really, I can't be bothered to make a full response to this asinine post, but you clearly need to review some things carefully, and not just post your idiotic assertions.
Originally posted by Advent
Firstly,Secondly, you're an idiot.
That only speaks volumes for Anakin's skill, it doesn't subtract from Count Dooku's.
George Lucas knew exactly what he was doing, he was merely displaying to the audience just how talented Anakin actually had become.
Malak, yes. Furthermore, if you're unable to defeat those three aforementioned characters, it doesn't necessarily mean you lack skill, unless you mean to tell me that Grievous, Obi-Wan, and the like are inadequate in their own technique.
Not many can, indeed, not even Yoda could defeat Luke in the NJO, and beyond. But really, do you have a point? None of the combatants in this thread could. The rest are ridiculous, as well. And I'd venture to argue that Count Dooku could overwhelm Krayt, considering he hasn't displayed anything truly impressive, and none of his subordinates have shown an aptitude for combat prowess (whether lightsaber or force) that topples Tyranus' own (for those who use the 'strongest Sith rules' defense)
Because Anakin grew exponentially in power? Really, I can't be bothered to make a full response to this asinine post, but you clearly need to review some things carefully, and not just post your idiotic assertions.
I don't have to review anything. All materiel is at my diposal. To review and to read it. We all have our own opinions about certains characters. If I don't like this or that person I'll say. I don't think anyone can have it both ways and get mad when people disagree. They're certain Star Wars characters I like and hate. The same with everyone else.
Originally posted by LORDSIDIOUS01
I don't have to review anything. I am an idiot.
Please, fool. Don't tell me what you do or don't have to do. You obviously lack knowledge in Star Wars, otherwise your claims wouldn't be as ridiculous as they are.
All materiel is at my diposal. I am an idiot.
Bullshit, much? Define 'all material', first of all. Secondly, I'd tell you I can guarentee you haven't read more than a few miscellaneous books, and comics. Thirdly, a hint: swtimeline doesn't have 'all the material'.
We all have our own opinions about certains characters.
But, your so called 'opinions' are trumped by fact. You may not like character x, or character y, but to make such statements like 'X has no true skill' is purely ludicrous, especially considering there are declarations from omniscient narrators, and tons of evidence to disprove that.
If I don't like this or that person I'll say. I don't think anyone can have it both ways and get mad when people disagree.
Except you state your 'opinion' (termed loosely) as fact, and you don't simply state "OH i h4t3 d0o0o0oKu!!!!//!!!ONEELEVEN!!", you make - as I said - idiotic assertions on their abilities which aren't true in the least bit.
Your assumptions are also just as wild, and virtually everything of what you bring to the table to support those assumptions is insane, for lack of a better word.
They're certain Star Wars characters I like and hate. The same with everyone else.
And no one is disputing that, but what you're doing is taking it to a different level, and not being rational. Really, a lot of other users have already told you why what you're doing is devoid of reasoning.
