Originally posted by SpidervladThe quote by daniel wallce proves you wrong already
Darth Subject, only by the time of DE was Sidious the most powerful Sith Lord ever. If we're talking about ROTS Sidious, it's a whole another matter.
Originally posted by SpidervladBastila is inferior to malak and carth is a non force user, Rotj sidious used force lightning on 3 sith acolytes who were so powerful that they could bring maul back from the dead to ashes and lifted an entire SSD and buried it in coruscant
Malak has very strong force protection, force drain, and just as Dooku he knows force lightning. Malak held out "Mediocre Level" Revan and Bastilla upon the Leviathan. He didn't even hold out, he paralyzed everyone except Revan with a swish of his hand. And this was before he was powered by the Star Forge.
Originally posted by Spidervladexperience as in dooku had 80 years of experience of war and the force, and skills? we dont know malaks form, while dooku mastered makashi to its highest, proven you wrong again
Anyone saying that Dooku has more experience than Malak should think again. Malak helped Revan turn the tide of the Mandolarian War, both strategically and physically i'm suer. Then, Malak helped Revan travel to all the planets to figh the Star Map. Then, Malak helped Revan activate the Star Forge on the "Uknown Planet" with the Rahskhah(sp?) Then, Malak helped Revan to rage on the war once they acquired their new fleet using the Star Forge. After all that, once Malak betrayed Revan, Malak had kept on raging the war against the Republic to the point where I'm sure the Republic would have lost if Revan wouldn't have killed Malak. Remember the size of the fleet near the Star Forge? It was working over 200% to it's maximum power.
Originally posted by SpidervladForce drain and lighting, in terms of the force id put malak on par honestly
I woud definately say that Malak would have the same skills as Dooku, but force wise and saber wise. Malak thought, has a greater range of force powers and sith knowledge, thats why I would say Malak would have that slight edge that would gurantee them victory. But not by alot.
Originally posted by SpidervladRots sidious could just finish malak with lightning and double team revan
Now, if we are talking about ROTS Sidious, then Revan wouldn't be able to kill him. In fact, ROTS Sidious would kill him. However, Revan wouldn't go down easily and it would take some time for their duel to end. This will give time for Malak to beat Dooku and help out Revan. ROTS Sidious will give a preety good fight, but then he'll be overwhelmed.
Originally posted by Kadesh
Bastila is inferior to malak and carth is a non force user
Stop posting half-baked stories to further your argument. Malak was already very powerful on Leviathan. He alone tooled with 3 top men/women and send Revan and Carth in to retreat.
Originally posted by Kadesh
experience as in dooku had 80 years of experience of war and the force, and skills? we dont know malaks form, while dooku mastered makashi to its highest, proven you wrong again
As far as I know, Dooku fought in one major war and that is known as "The Clone Wars", which continued for 4 years.
Malak has fought in 2 major wars: A) Mandalorian Wars and B) JCW (and both these wars lasted 4 years each).
Malak is no slouch when it comes to experience factor.
Originally posted by Kadesh
Force drain and lighting, in terms of the force id put malak on par honestly
Also Dooku never demonstrated Force Drain. And Malak was a master practitioner of Force Lightning and his Lightning attacks seemed to more devastating then that of Dooku. Remember that scene on Star Forge? He instantly killed a Jedi Knight with his single Lightning attack and this happened before he got powered up by those Captive Jedi in his chamber.
Originally posted by Kadesh
Rots sidious could just finish malak with lightning and double team revan
Through-out in KOTOR, we noticed that Malak was capable of thwarting most (if not all Force attacks). His defensive abilities are certainly very good.
Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
Its official that Sidious is the most powerful Sith lord ever. Its not even up for debate, so thats how he's more powerful.
Not that I like to argue star wars great comics and books and films 😄 but is that the entire sith hiarchy we are taking from ore only the line instituted by Bane you know the two rule???
I'm not [yet] going to get in an argument about the probability of Sion, Malak, and Nihilus being more powerful than "any incarnation of Sidious" - though I want it to be duly noted that I find a ghost of speculation on that issue to be ridiculous.
But, I do hope the mere notion of Sion, in particular, being stronger than Sidious doesn't stem from his so-called "immortality". Since, after all, the Exile was capable of defeating Sion in single combat on multiple occasions before finally breaking his will and killing him, thus proving that she is more skilled and "more powerful" than he is. The only reason he got up after the first beating was because of his immortality, thus proving that immortality does not equal power, because mere mortals were capable of bringing Sion down.
Likewise, Sidious has exhibited far more strength in the Force and a mastery of it than Sion ever has, and since Palpatine's defining quality is his ability to manipulate, I dare say that he would have a field day with Sion.
Didnt you tell me before you wouldnt interfere with a debate between me and another person? Now you gave me the impression that you are untrustworthy.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDWow getting stunned means malak is more powerful, Its ironic isnt it that malak on the leviathen could stun revan yet lost to him while getting powered up by the starforge, Such irony amazes me, Espcially when it comes from youe
How about Revan, who too got stunned by Malak at the end of their duel on Leviathan and Malak was about to slice him in half, until Bastilla saved him from certain death?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD"Powerful" in what sense? He stunned bastila, who is far weaker than malak, he stunned carth who is a non user and for all we know he could have stunned revan when he is offguard, stunning some body doesnt mean shit, especially if you compare malak to sidious who wiped out 3 sith lord powerful enough to bring dead people back from the dead to ashes. Malak is powerful, but inferior to sidious
Stop posting half-baked stories to further your argument. Malak was already very powerful on Leviathan. He alone tooled with 3 top men/women and send Revan and Carth in to retreat.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDi actually meant experience in the force, sorry bout that
80 years of experience in war? And can you list the names of these wars?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDI concede the earlier point but id like to bring up one point, having more experience in war doesnt put you above someone when it comes to force fights or lightsaber duels
As far as I know, Dooku fought in one major war and that is known as "The Clone Wars", which continued for 4 years.Malak has fought in 2 major wars: A) Mandalorian Wars and B) JCW (and both these wars lasted 4 years each).
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDTrue, but dookus knowledge of the force surpasses him
Malak is no slouch when it comes to experience factor.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDWow so force whirling a stronger jedi means your powerful? How bout i state the dark women is super powerful because she managed to attack vader with the force?
How about generating a Force Whirlwind and trapping Revan inside?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDSorry to burst your bubble but he killed a weakened jedi with his lightning, the cutscenes prove you wrong already
Also Dooku never demonstrated Force Drain. And Malak was a master practitioner of Force Lightning and his Lightning attacks seemed to more devastating then that of Dooku. Remember that scene on Star Forge? He instantly killed a Jedi Knight with his single Lightning attack and this happened before he got powered up by those Captive Jedi in his chamber.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDProof that
And Malak cannot Force Deflect with his hands or block a Lightning attack through his large Light Saber? Nice try!
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDAll force attacks? he didnt demonstrate crush and several other abilities that bane, revan, vader sidious exar kun had demonstrated
Through-out in KOTOR, we noticed that Malak was capable of thwarting most (if not all Force attacks). His defensive abilities are certainly very good.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
How about Revan, who too got stunned by Malak at the end of their duel on Leviathan and Malak was about to slice him in half, until Bastilla saved him from certain death?Stop posting half-baked stories to further your argument. Malak was already very powerful on Leviathan. He alone tooled with 3 top men/women and send Revan and Carth in to retreat.
80 years of experience in war? And can you list the names of these wars?
As far as I know, Dooku fought in one major war and that is known as "The Clone Wars", which continued for 4 years.
Malak has fought in 2 major wars: A) Mandalorian Wars and B) JCW (and both these wars lasted 4 years each).
Malak is no slouch when it comes to experience factor.
How about generating a Force Whirlwind and trapping Revan inside?
Also Dooku never demonstrated Force Drain. And Malak was a master practitioner of Force Lightning and his Lightning attacks seemed to more devastating then that of Dooku. Remember that scene on Star Forge? He instantly killed a Jedi Knight with his single Lightning attack and this happened before he got powered up by those Captive Jedi in his chamber.
And Malak cannot Force Deflect with his hands or block a Lightning attack through his large Light Saber? Nice try!
Through-out in KOTOR, we noticed that Malak was capable of thwarting most (if not all Force attacks). His defensive abilities are certainly very good.
Originally posted by Gideon
I'm not [yet] going to get in an argument about the probability of Sion, Malak, and Nihilus being more powerful than "any incarnation of Sidious" - though I want it to be duly noted that I find a ghost of speculation on that issue to be ridiculous.But, I do hope the mere notion of Sion, in particular, being stronger than Sidious doesn't stem from his so-called "immortality". Since, after all, the Exile was capable of defeating Sion in single combat on multiple occasions before finally breaking his will and killing him, thus proving that she is more skilled and "more powerful" than he is. The only reason he got up after the first beating was because of his immortality, thus proving that immortality does not equal power, because mere mortals were capable of bringing Sion down.
Likewise, Sidious has exhibited far more strength in the Force and a mastery of it than Sion ever has, and since Palpatine's defining quality is his ability to manipulate, I dare say that he would have a field day with Sion.
Nore am I going to argue about Malak sion are nihilus being more powerful then Sidious yet my question was, the handbook that the statement about Sidious being the most powerful is it the entire history of the sith ore only from the line that bane instituted???
I'm pretty sure Dooku is above Malak as far as the force goes. He brought Asajj to her knees in pain with one finger. The power behind the impact of his force push was described as a wall. He used the force to keep Greivous alive. Someone must've taught Qui Gon how to instantly collapse a non force-sensitive with a touch. He is stated as being one of the most powerful Jedi and Sith. Dooku also easily dismissed powerful Jedi with the force (such as Obi Wan and Quinlan).
Sorry for the lack of detail in this post, I don't really feel like posting right now...
Originally posted by jollyjim311
I'm pretty sure Dooku is above Malak as far as the force goes. He brought Asajj to her knees in pain with one finger. The power behind the impact of his force push was described as a wall. He used the force to keep Greivous alive. Someone must've taught Qui Gon how to instantly collapse a non force-sensitive with a touch. He is stated as being one of the most powerful Jedi and Sith. Dooku also easily dismissed powerful Jedi with the force (such as Obi Wan and Quinlan).Sorry for the lack of detail in this post, I don't really feel like posting right now...
Nah, I'll disagree with that. Malak was considerably powerful in the force even before he had the SF to fuel him, and he was a monster while he was fueled. I don't think Dooku matches up.
No, I don't think that a 'regular' Malak is equal to Count Dooku, much less superior to him. Advent WTFpwned that debate ages ago, and cobbled a massive argument in favor of Dooku that no one has been able to trump. These are just three quotes in regards to Dooku's power from a single source.
"The Count has always wielded considerable power - by natural authority, by lightsaber, and now by wealth and persuasion. This double-dealing master of the Force has taken a place at the heart of galactic events, and he threatens the very survival of the Republic."
"Dooku's considerable strength in the Force made him enigmatic even to Yoda."
- Page 114, the Complete Visual Dictionary.
"Count Dooku is the most recent of the Lost Ones. He is considered the most bitter loss because the Force was so strong in him."
- Page 115, the Complete Visual Dictionary.