Ranks for MAs

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
LOL look at my typos. Sorry mate wasnt actually having a go at you I just misunderstood what you said. 👆

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Again Wolverine got shot before Hood turned into Demon. Kraven didnt dodge gunfire either they both did the same thing ie attempted to take out the target before he mounted an attack.

Kraven did better because Hood didnt even let off a shot and was taken down, before Hood turned into a Demon Wolverien got his huts blown off.

Hood does not need to turn into the Demon for him to accesses the power. That a misconception. He has the power all the time, it when he needs more of it that the demon reveals it self.

Logan just walked into if not mistaken. also I would like the issue number of the event you are speaking about.

against hood was still back by the demon power all the time, which is also why he was able to take the stab in the first place. He was also invisable during the confrontation.

I have a feeling your discribtion of the Kraven fight is nothing like wolverine encounter with the hood.

Would also like to suggest Bishop to tier 3 (highly skilled).

Originally posted by Juk3n
Would also like to suggest Bishop to tier 3 (highly skilled).

Maybe he hard to gauge due to the fact he has information given to him through his sun glasses of ever individual he fights mostly combat style given to him from his future.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Maybe he hard to gauge due to the fact he has information given to him through his sun glasses of ever individual he fights mostly combat style given to him from his future.

Originally posted by Juk3n
i agree, but even if he gets the information, if he can adjust his fighting styles to suit different situations/enemies, then , that is very definition of "highly skilled" atleast.

Originally posted by Juk3n
no, i simply believe that Blade is a tier above Scott, but Scott is a tier too low. Only voicing an opinion.

my thinking exactly.

is that a yes then? 😛

Originally posted by Raoul
my thinking exactly.

is that a yes then? 😛

As long as we're all agreed - Scott to Tier 3 (highly skilled)
- Blade to tier 2 (Master martial artist)
- Bishops' entry into the list at tier 3 (Highly skilled to be debated at a later date.)

Just nod! 😛

Originally posted by Juk3n
As long as we're all agreed - Scott to Tier 3 (highly skilled)
- Blade to tier 2 (Master martial artist)
- Bishops' entry into the list at tier 3 (Highly skilled)

Just nod! 😛

*nods*

yeah, that's fine.

Me and Warrior18 want Punisher for second tier. I also agree with the above.

Against

Against.

first things first ..dear mods - : make this --->As long as we're all agreed - Scott to Tier 3 (highly skilled)
- Blade to tier 2 (Master martial artist)
- Bishops' entry into the list at tier 3 (Highly skilled to be debated at a later date.)

happen.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Against

*sigh* Let me guess your against Pun being second tier?

Bump the latest list?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
*sigh* Let me guess your against Pun being second tier?

That's why it said "Against"

this is the last one i saw:

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Update.

Current Hierarchy [194]

Cosmic Tier: (Transcendent Martial Artists) [3]
Gamora, Karate Kid, Mantis

Uber Tier: (Unearthly Martial Artists) [10]
Adam Warlock, Captain Mar-Vell, Kirigi (DC), Mandarin, Moondragon, O-Sensei, Ogun, Stick, Temugin, Thanos

Top Tier: ("Greatest Martial Artists"😉 [18]
Batgirl (Cassandra Cain), Batman, Black Canary, Bronze Tiger, Captain America, Connor Hawke, Constantine Drakon, Daredevil, Elektra, Iron Fist, Lady Shiva, Richard Dragon, Shang Chi, Shen Kuei (The Cat), Snake-Eyes, Storm Shadow, Taskmaster, Wolverine

Second Tier: (Master Martial Artists) [58]
Agent X, Artemis, Azrael, Backlash, Black Panther, Black Widow, Bullseye, Cable, Champion of the Universe, Cheshire, Crossbones, Daken, David Cain, Deadpool, Deathstroke, Domino, Donatello, Echo, Erik Killmonger, Gorgon (Tomi Shishido), Green Arrow, Grifter, Hawkman, Jason Blood, Judomaster (Hadley Jagger), Karnak, Lady Deathstrike, Leonardo, Magnus, Merlyn (DC), Michaelangelo, Midnight Sun, Mr Sensitive, Natas, Nick Fury, Nightwing, Nomad, Orion, Ozymandias (DC), Prometheus, Puck, Ra's al Ghul, Raphael, Ravager, Red Hood, Red Skull, Silver Samurai, Steel Serpent, Stone, Talia al Ghul, Twelve Brothers in Silk, White Tiger (Angela del Toro), Wildcat (Ted Grant), Winter Soldier, Wonder Woman, Vandal Savage, X-23, Zealot

Third Tier: (Highly Skilled Martial Artists) [67]
Alpha, Ares (Marvel), Arsenal, Bane, Beta Ray Bill, Black Bolt, Black Cat, Black Knight (Dane Whitman), Blade, Blue Beetle (Ted Kord), Colleen Wing, Damian Wayne, Doctor Mid-Nite, Doctor Strange, Donna Troy, Drax, Duke(GI Joe), Grendel (Hunter Rose), Hawkeye, Heavy Duty(GI Joe), Hercules, Hippolyta, Huntress, Katana, KGBeast, Kingpin, Lady Vic, Lobo, Loki, "Mad Dog" Cain, Matsu'o Tsurayaba, Midnighter, Mister America (Tex Thomson), Mister Terrific, Mockingbird, Moon Knight, Mystique, Namor, Night Thrasher, Nightcrawler, Omega Red, Onyx, Prodigy, Psylocke, Punisher, The Question, Revanche, Robin (Tim Drake), Sage, Sabretooth, Shadowcat, Shatterstar, Shrike IV (Boone), Speedy (Mia Dearden), Spider-Woman (Jessica Drew), Stacy X, Terry McGinnis, Thena, Thor, Typhoid Mary, US Agent, V, Viper (Madame Hydra), Wild Child, Wong, Yukio

Fourth Tier: (Trained Martial Artists) [38]
Aquaman, Batgirl (Barbara Gordon), Batwoman, Beast, Blink, Blue Devil, Boom Boom, Cannonball, Carol Danvers, Catwoman, Colossus, Cyclops, Danielle Moonstar, Deathbird, Falcon, Gambit, Hawkgirl, Invisible Woman, Iron Man, Jamie Madrox, Joker, Jubilee, Luke Cage, Mister Fantastic, Misty Knight, Nite Owl II, Rorschach, She-Hulk, Starfire, Storm, Strong Guy, Superman, Tarantula, Thing, Viper (Madame Hydra), Wonder Man, Zauriel

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Proposed Changes (Votes For / Votes Against)
Jubilee to third 2 [Smurph, Cresh] / 2 [llag, Nataku]
Kingpin to second: 5 [V, jrod, srank, capt, Accel] / 6 [Me, Soljer, llag, Macoy, Smurph, Nataku]
Moon Knight to second: 4 [llagrok, Fake McCoy, Alfheim, Mungi] / 4 [Soljer, Smurph, capt, endrict]
Midnighter to second: 1 [Soljer] / 1 [endrict]
Blade to second: 2 [endrict, Darth Martin] / 2 [llagrok, capt]

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Additions:
I've added Alpha (Michael Sommers) and the "Mad Dog" to third tier for now. The latter actually managed to kill Batgirl, but imo it's more due to brutality than pure skill. As always their placement is subject to discussion and change.

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Notes:

- The last tier has been dissolved. If you think a character that has been removed should be re-added or a character that has been retained be removed then suggestions are welcome.
For reference purposes the characters removed were the following:
Apocalypse, Grace Choi, Hulk, Monet St. Croix, Scarlet Witch, Spider-Man,

- N.B. The Top Tier are characters above ~90th percentile of the total hierarchy top tier and under.
There are currently 18 Top Tier slots divided as follows:
Marvel - 8
DC - 8
Independent/Other - 2

- If you feel a character should be moved up or down, please actually state such, so that I do not have to guess intentions.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
That's why it said "Against"

Probably wasting my time asking this, but what reasons do you give for him not being second tier?

Where would Black Widow II, Yelena Belova go?

OR does the Black Widow entry include every Red Room operative whose carried the title?

Also, Agent Zero/Maverik to Second Tier.

Blade should be moved to 2nd tier master martial artist. He's a master of weapons and h2h styles.