Originally posted by marvelprince
On his own I'm not sure he has much skills at all.Besides, technically he does have their skills. He just uploaded instead of training
He doesn't remember them,otherwise he'd ne DC's best.if he loses his helmet he loses their skills,and if we take him on WITH the Helmet,then we'd have to use Ironman when he punked Cap.😬
Oh and He was able to kill a giant alien without the helmet,he'd be second tier.
Originally posted by Nataku8188I'll concur with Ares and Shatterstar.
Ares should be at least second tier, he is the god of ****ing war. Shatterstar should be second tier. Nightcrawler should be third tier, possibly second (I'm leaning more towards third). Venom for accomplished fighter. Squirrel girl as uber tier.
Cleaned up list update. and proposed changes update.
Current Hierarchy
Cosmic Tier: (Universal Martial Artists)
Gamora, Karate Kid, Mantis, Midnight Sun, Thanos
Uber Tier: (Revered Martial Artists)
O Sensei, Ogun, Stick
Top Tier: ("Greatest Martial Artists"😉
Batgirl (Cassandra Cain), Batman, Bronze Tiger, Captain America, Connor Hawke, Constantine Drakon, Iron Fist, Lady Shiva, Richard Dragon, Shang Chi, Shen Kuei (The Cat), Taskmaster, Wolverine
Second Tier: (Master Martial Artists)
Agent X, Azrael, Black Canary, Black Panther, Black Widow, Bullseye, Cable, Daredevil, David Cain, Deadpool, Deathstroke, Donatello, Echo, Elektra, Eric Killmonger, Gorgon, Green Arrow, Karnak, Leonardo, Michaelangelo, Natas, Nick Fury, Nightwing, Raphael, Ra's al Ghul, Ravager, Red Hood, Red Skull,Shatterstar Silver Samurai, Wildcat (Ted Grant), Winter Soldier, Wonder Woman, Vandal Savage, X-23
Third Tier: (Highly Skilled Martial Artists)
Ares, Arsenal, Bane, Beta Ray Bill, Blade, Blue Beetle (Ted Kord), Doctor Mid-Nite, Doctor Strange, Hercules, Kingpin, Lady Deathstrike, Midnighter, Mister America (Tex Thomson), Mister Terrific, Moon Knight, Night Thrasher, The Question, Punisher, Psylocke, Robin, Sabretooth, Shadowcat, Shrike IV (Boone), Speedy (Mia Dearden), Stacy X, Thor, US Agent, Wong
Fourth Tier: (Trained Martial Artist)
Batgirl (Barbara Gordon), Black Cat, Colleen Wing, Colossus, Cyclops, Gambit, Iron-Man, Jubilee, Misty Knight, Mystique, She-Hulk, Starfire, Storm, Thing
Accomplished Fighter: (Little formal training/Some Skill)
Beast, Catwoman, Luke Cage, Spider-Man
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Proposed Changes (Votes For / Votes Against)
[Alfheim]:
Kingpin to Second Tier: 1 (Alfheim) / 4 (Soljer, marvelprince, jinzin and I)
Black Panther to take the remaining Marvel Top Tier spot: 1 (Alfheim) /
[marvelprince]:
Night Thrasher to Second Tier: 2 (mp) / 4 (Soljer, jinzin, capt and I)
Elektra to the remaining Marvel Top Tier spot: 3 (mp, Accel, jinzin) / 2 (Soljer, capt)
[Devil Lance]:
Black Canary to replace Connor Hawke: 1 (DL) / 1 (mp)
[jinzin]:
Robin to Second: 1 (jinzin) / 2 (Wally West, Soljer)
Gorgon to Uber: 1 (jinzin) / 1 (capt)
or Gorgon to the remaining Marvel Top Tier spot: 1 (jinzin) / 1 (capt)
[Martian_Mind]
Catwoman to Fourth: 1 (MM /
Comments:
-Not sure where to put Falcon as yet, are you proposing around Third Tier? I'd probably need to see something from him first to be personally convinced.
-added Shatterstar
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I'll concur with Ares and Shatterstar.
Likewise Nightcrawler but largely due to his ability to incorporate acrobatics into the martial arts he knows.
Hehe Squirrel Girl.
I concur with Star,but Ares shouldn't go up just because he's the god of War,War is very different to 1 on 1 combat.What are his showings?
Tarantula was a Nightwing rogue/ally for a while that had some hand-to-hand skills, she could probably go in the 4th or bottom tier
Originally posted by Wally West
Tarantula was a Nightwing rogue/ally for a while that had some hand-to-hand skills, she could probably go in the 4th or bottom tier
Tarantula and don't forget Onyx. She's an assasin who operates out of Gotham. She's got skills but Red Hood really took it to her. I'd say third tier
Originally posted by marvelprince
Need something more from Boom Balls.I'll concur with Prometheus though.
What about Domino and Cable?
Also Stone (Daredevil ally) should be second tier.
Cable is already in Second....(should be top imo)
Motion for Domino in second.
Boomballs?Well they once infiltrated a heavily guarded facility,punked the guards and said "Thank god Cables made us brush up on our H2H skills"
Then Cannonball should be in four,however Boom-boom trained even more 😬
Official list update and proposed changes update.
Current Hierarchy
Cosmic Tier: (Universal Martial Artists)
Gamora, Karate Kid, Mantis, Midnight Sun, Thanos
Uber Tier: (Revered Martial Artists)
O Sensei, Ogun, Stick
Top Tier: ("Greatest Martial Artists"😉
Batgirl (Cassandra Cain), Batman, Bronze Tiger, Captain America, Connor Hawke, Constantine Drakon, Iron Fist, Lady Shiva, Richard Dragon, Shang Chi, Shen Kuei (The Cat), Taskmaster, Wolverine
Second Tier: (Master Martial Artists)
Agent X, Azrael, Black Canary, Black Panther, Black Widow, Bullseye, Cable, Daredevil, David Cain, Deadpool, Deathstroke, Donatello, Echo, Elektra, Eric Killmonger, Gorgon, Green Arrow, Karnak, Leonardo, Michaelangelo, Natas, Nick Fury, Nightwing, Prometheus, Raphael, Ra's al Ghul, Ravager, Red Hood, Red Skull, Shatterstar, Silver Samurai, Stone, Wildcat (Ted Grant), Winter Soldier, Wonder Woman, Vandal Savage, X-23
Third Tier: (Highly Skilled Martial Artists)
Ares, Arsenal, Bane, Beta Ray Bill, Blade, Blue Beetle (Ted Kord), Doctor Mid-Nite, Doctor Strange, Hercules, Kingpin, Lady Deathstrike, Midnighter, Mister America (Tex Thomson), Mister Terrific, Moon Knight, Nightcrawler, Night Thrasher, Onyx, Punisher, Psylocke, The Question, Robin, Sabretooth, Shadowcat, Shrike IV (Boone), Speedy (Mia Dearden), Stacy X, Thor, US Agent, Wong
Fourth Tier: (Trained Martial Artist)
Batgirl (Barbara Gordon), Black Cat, Boom Boom, Cannonball, Colleen Wing, Colossus, Cyclops, Gambit, Iron-Man, Jubilee, Misty Knight, Mystique, She-Hulk, Starfire, Storm, Tarantula, Thing
Accomplished Fighter: (Little formal training/Some Skill)
Beast, Catwoman, Luke Cage, Spider-Man
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Proposed Changes (Votes For / Votes Against)
[Alfheim]:
Black Panther to take the remaining Marvel Top Tier spot: 1 (Alfheim) /
[marvelprince]:
Night Thrasher to Second Tier: 2 (mp, Alfheim) / 5 (V, Soljer, jinzin, capt and I)
Elektra to the remaining Marvel Top Tier spot: 3 (mp, Accel, jinzin) / 3 (Soljer, capt, V)
[Devil Lance]:
Black Canary to replace Connor Hawke: 1 (DL) / 2 (mp, V)
[jinzin]:
Robin to Second: 1 (jinzin) / 3 (Wally West, Soljer, V)
Gorgon to Uber: 1 (jinzin) / 2 (V, capt)
or Gorgon to the remaining Marvel Top Tier spot: 1 (jinzin) / 1 (capt)
[Martian_Mind]
Catwoman to Fourth: 1 (MM) /
Boom Boom to Third: 1 (MM) /
Cable to take remaining Marvel Top Tier spot: 1 (MM) / 1 (V)
[Nataku]
Ares to Second: 2 (V, Nat) / 1 (MM)
[me]
Midnight Sun to Second: 2 (me, V) / 0
Comments:
-The proposed movement up of Kingpin has been defeated 4 to 1. Night Thrasher will be considered defeated soon.
-Recent additions: Shatterstar, Nightcrawler, Cannonball, Prometheus, Stone, Onyx, Tarantula, Boom Boom
-I don't concur with Domino for second as yet. Would need to see something from her. Likewise Boom Boom, so until there's more agreement should hold off on adding them.
-Not sure if Puck on skill alone warrants a second tier placing as proposed.
-I'm proposing moving Midnight Sun into second tier... he just looks wrong up there... and I'm unconvinced he's been placed there due to skill alone.
Hmmmm.....Well Domino also punked one of those guys who punked Shatterstar,she spares against Cable regularily,and recently held out against Deadpool in a pure contest of skill.She was able to completely bypass Cable cone of silence through pure skill.
Boom-Boom should be in third,however put her in fourth for now.
Cable deserves that top-tier spot far more the BP.Greater experience,skill and an excellent track record against most top-tiers(bar one case of super-jobbing to Cap)
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[Alfheim]:
Black Panther to take the remaining Marvel Top Tier spot: 1 (Alfheim) /
[marvelprince]:
Night Thrasher to Second Tier: 2 (mp) / 4 (Soljer, jinzin, capt and I)
Elektra to the remaining Marvel Top Tier spot: 3 (mp, Accel, jinzin) / 2 (Soljer, capt)
[Devil Lance]:
Black Canary to replace Connor Hawke: 1 (DL) / 1 (mp)
[jinzin]:
Robin to Second: 1 (jinzin) / 2 (Wally West, Soljer)
Gorgon to Uber: 1 (jinzin) / 1 (capt)
or Gorgon to the remaining Marvel Top Tier spot: 1 (jinzin) / 1 (capt)
[Martian_Mind]
Catwoman to Fourth: 1 (MM) /
[Nataku]
Ares to Second: 1 (Nat) / 1 (MM)
[me]
Midnight Sun to Second: 1 (me) /
I'm also against Thraser going Second
I'm against Elektra taking the Marvel Top Tier Spot
Against Black Canary over-taking Connor Hawke
I'm against Robin going to second
I'm against Gorgon going to uber
I'm for Ares going to second
And I'm for Midnight Sun going to second
The Cable proposed movement is already there + All of V's votes have been edited in. Night Thrasher to second and Robin to second will be considered defeated soon. Three contenders for the Marvel top tier spot, Elektra, Cable and BP... I'm a bit surprised a few others have yet to be mentioned. While I'm not voting for Elektra my vote is likely to go against both BP and Cable considering Elektra is in contention.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Not in their first encounter. He wasnt amped to superhuman levels and he was making Wolverine look like an amateur and in the second ecounter he was doing it again....im noit sure if he was superhuman in the sceond encounter though.
How did he make wolverine look like an amatur wolverine won the encounter. Did you even read the whole fight? Wolverine was the one who was on top winning the fight until thing took his attention away. If you actaully read the fight you would know both wolverine and thing though and were certain wolverine had BP beat.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Yes it does because speed helps you to dodge and counter moves. You cant dodge and counter moves if you are slow can you??
Originally posted by Alfheim
How? Im not talking about running speed im talking about dodging and countering which is what BP was doing to Wolverine, which is what you learn in MA dodging and countering.
OK spiderman would beat batman because he superior physically. Now if you gave batman and spiderman that same physicall stats then batman would thrash spiderman, because he is more skilled……….please tell me you understand now, because honestly your ignorance is just…………..ugggg
Originally posted by Alfheim
Ok so tell me how you're going to deflect something if you're slow.
You are so stupid some times. You are looking at this as if it a fight. Ok skill has nothing to do with your physicall attributes he has to do with how good a fighter you are and your knowledge of combat styles and so forth.
Just because some one is faster then you does not make them your superior in skill. You can be more skilled then some one and still lose simply because they are physically to much however that does not take away from the fact that you are more skilled.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Yes I agree but dodging is still a skillhttp://dictionary.reference.com/browse/skill
1. the ability, coming from one's knowledge, practice, aptitude, etc., to do something well: Carpentry was one of his many skills.
In MA they actually [B]teach you how to dodge
and that comes under the criteria for a skill. Im not making this stuff up, ive done boxing and they teach ypou how to dodge...therefore its a skill[/B]
Yes and no. You do not have to be taught to dodge it a reflex. There may be ways taught to you to dodge, but it not some thing that you need to be taught it a instinctive reaction…….
Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah thats my point you moron.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Spiderman could beat DD in H2H but what enables him to do that is not his fighting skill but his [B]superhuman stats combined with some fighting knowledge [/B]
Originally posted by Alfheim
Prove it show me evidence he underestimated him.
Originally posted by Alfheim
I'll have to get a second opinion on this. Oh yeah you do know that BP was holding back and Wolverine was trying to serioulsy **** him up or kill him. BP wasnt even taking it that seriously
Originally posted by Alfheim
Well on the first fight BP was holding back. It could be argued that if he took it more seriously he could have won. You can see that despite BP holding back he is doing quite well.
Originally posted by Alfheim
In the second encounter BP is outclassing him in speed again, therefore it implies that BP could beat Wolverine again.
I am sorry, but you have weird ways of viewing fights….