Ranks for MAs

Started by Martian_mind143 pages

Originally posted by marvelprince
On his own I'm not sure he has much skills at all.

Besides, technically he does have their skills. He just uploaded instead of training

He doesn't remember them,otherwise he'd ne DC's best.if he loses his helmet he loses their skills,and if we take him on WITH the Helmet,then we'd have to use Ironman when he punked Cap.😬

Oh and He was able to kill a giant alien without the helmet,he'd be second tier.

Originally posted by Nataku8188
Ares should be at least second tier, he is the god of ****ing war. Shatterstar should be second tier. Nightcrawler should be third tier, possibly second (I'm leaning more towards third). Venom for accomplished fighter. Squirrel girl as uber tier.
I'll concur with Ares and Shatterstar.
Likewise Nightcrawler but largely due to his ability to incorporate acrobatics into the martial arts he knows.
Hehe Squirrel Girl.

Cleaned up list update. and proposed changes update.

Current Hierarchy

Cosmic Tier: (Universal Martial Artists)
Gamora, Karate Kid, Mantis, Midnight Sun, Thanos

Uber Tier: (Revered Martial Artists)
O Sensei, Ogun, Stick

Top Tier: ("Greatest Martial Artists"😉
Batgirl (Cassandra Cain), Batman, Bronze Tiger, Captain America, Connor Hawke, Constantine Drakon, Iron Fist, Lady Shiva, Richard Dragon, Shang Chi, Shen Kuei (The Cat), Taskmaster, Wolverine

Second Tier: (Master Martial Artists)
Agent X, Azrael, Black Canary, Black Panther, Black Widow, Bullseye, Cable, Daredevil, David Cain, Deadpool, Deathstroke, Donatello, Echo, Elektra, Eric Killmonger, Gorgon, Green Arrow, Karnak, Leonardo, Michaelangelo, Natas, Nick Fury, Nightwing, Raphael, Ra's al Ghul, Ravager, Red Hood, Red Skull,Shatterstar Silver Samurai, Wildcat (Ted Grant), Winter Soldier, Wonder Woman, Vandal Savage, X-23

Third Tier: (Highly Skilled Martial Artists)
Ares, Arsenal, Bane, Beta Ray Bill, Blade, Blue Beetle (Ted Kord), Doctor Mid-Nite, Doctor Strange, Hercules, Kingpin, Lady Deathstrike, Midnighter, Mister America (Tex Thomson), Mister Terrific, Moon Knight, Night Thrasher, The Question, Punisher, Psylocke, Robin, Sabretooth, Shadowcat, Shrike IV (Boone), Speedy (Mia Dearden), Stacy X, Thor, US Agent, Wong

Fourth Tier: (Trained Martial Artist)
Batgirl (Barbara Gordon), Black Cat, Colleen Wing, Colossus, Cyclops, Gambit, Iron-Man, Jubilee, Misty Knight, Mystique, She-Hulk, Starfire, Storm, Thing

Accomplished Fighter: (Little formal training/Some Skill)
Beast, Catwoman, Luke Cage, Spider-Man

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Proposed Changes (Votes For / Votes Against)

[Alfheim]:
Kingpin to Second Tier: 1 (Alfheim) / 4 (Soljer, marvelprince, jinzin and I)
Black Panther to take the remaining Marvel Top Tier spot: 1 (Alfheim) /
[marvelprince]:
Night Thrasher to Second Tier: 2 (mp) / 4 (Soljer, jinzin, capt and I)
Elektra to the remaining Marvel Top Tier spot: 3 (mp, Accel, jinzin) / 2 (Soljer, capt)
[Devil Lance]:
Black Canary to replace Connor Hawke: 1 (DL) / 1 (mp)
[jinzin]:
Robin to Second: 1 (jinzin) / 2 (Wally West, Soljer)
Gorgon to Uber: 1 (jinzin) / 1 (capt)
or Gorgon to the remaining Marvel Top Tier spot: 1 (jinzin) / 1 (capt)
[Martian_Mind]
Catwoman to Fourth: 1 (MM /

Comments:
-Not sure where to put Falcon as yet, are you proposing around Third Tier? I'd probably need to see something from him first to be personally convinced.
-added Shatterstar

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I'll concur with Ares and Shatterstar.
Likewise Nightcrawler but largely due to his ability to incorporate acrobatics into the martial arts he knows.
Hehe Squirrel Girl.

I concur with Star,but Ares shouldn't go up just because he's the god of War,War is very different to 1 on 1 combat.What are his showings?

MM... I think the whole-list posting is a bit excessive now... additions can be discussed and proposed without having to post the whole list (esp. if it's just a single character).. it just gets a bit confusing.

Fine.

So all agreed to Boom-Boom and Cannonballs?

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Fine.

So all agreed to Boom-Boom and Cannonballs?

To the fourth tier, possibly. But most definitely not higher. I'd more likely put them in Accomplished fighter.

Tarantula was a Nightwing rogue/ally for a while that had some hand-to-hand skills, she could probably go in the 4th or bottom tier

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarantula_%28DC_Comics%29

Boom-Boom should be in third,she took on three superhumans at best,all highly trained solidiers and one who showed himself to be better then Shatterstar.😬

but Cannonball in fourth is a given....

Need something more from Boom Balls.

I'll concur with Prometheus though.

What about Domino and Cable?

Also Stone (Daredevil ally) should be second tier.

Originally posted by Wally West
Tarantula was a Nightwing rogue/ally for a while that had some hand-to-hand skills, she could probably go in the 4th or bottom tier

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarantula_%28DC_Comics%29

Tarantula and don't forget Onyx. She's an assasin who operates out of Gotham. She's got skills but Red Hood really took it to her. I'd say third tier

Originally posted by marvelprince
Need something more from Boom Balls.

I'll concur with Prometheus though.

What about Domino and Cable?

Also Stone (Daredevil ally) should be second tier.

Cable is already in Second....(should be top imo)

Motion for Domino in second.

Boomballs?Well they once infiltrated a heavily guarded facility,punked the guards and said "Thank god Cables made us brush up on our H2H skills"

Then Cannonball should be in four,however Boom-boom trained even more 😬

Official list update and proposed changes update.

Current Hierarchy

Cosmic Tier: (Universal Martial Artists)
Gamora, Karate Kid, Mantis, Midnight Sun, Thanos

Uber Tier: (Revered Martial Artists)
O Sensei, Ogun, Stick

Top Tier: ("Greatest Martial Artists"😉
Batgirl (Cassandra Cain), Batman, Bronze Tiger, Captain America, Connor Hawke, Constantine Drakon, Iron Fist, Lady Shiva, Richard Dragon, Shang Chi, Shen Kuei (The Cat), Taskmaster, Wolverine

Second Tier: (Master Martial Artists)
Agent X, Azrael, Black Canary, Black Panther, Black Widow, Bullseye, Cable, Daredevil, David Cain, Deadpool, Deathstroke, Donatello, Echo, Elektra, Eric Killmonger, Gorgon, Green Arrow, Karnak, Leonardo, Michaelangelo, Natas, Nick Fury, Nightwing, Prometheus, Raphael, Ra's al Ghul, Ravager, Red Hood, Red Skull, Shatterstar, Silver Samurai, Stone, Wildcat (Ted Grant), Winter Soldier, Wonder Woman, Vandal Savage, X-23

Third Tier: (Highly Skilled Martial Artists)
Ares, Arsenal, Bane, Beta Ray Bill, Blade, Blue Beetle (Ted Kord), Doctor Mid-Nite, Doctor Strange, Hercules, Kingpin, Lady Deathstrike, Midnighter, Mister America (Tex Thomson), Mister Terrific, Moon Knight, Nightcrawler, Night Thrasher, Onyx, Punisher, Psylocke, The Question, Robin, Sabretooth, Shadowcat, Shrike IV (Boone), Speedy (Mia Dearden), Stacy X, Thor, US Agent, Wong

Fourth Tier: (Trained Martial Artist)
Batgirl (Barbara Gordon), Black Cat, Boom Boom, Cannonball, Colleen Wing, Colossus, Cyclops, Gambit, Iron-Man, Jubilee, Misty Knight, Mystique, She-Hulk, Starfire, Storm, Tarantula, Thing

Accomplished Fighter: (Little formal training/Some Skill)
Beast, Catwoman, Luke Cage, Spider-Man

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Proposed Changes (Votes For / Votes Against)

[Alfheim]:
Black Panther to take the remaining Marvel Top Tier spot: 1 (Alfheim) /
[marvelprince]:
Night Thrasher to Second Tier: 2 (mp, Alfheim) / 5 (V, Soljer, jinzin, capt and I)
Elektra to the remaining Marvel Top Tier spot: 3 (mp, Accel, jinzin) / 3 (Soljer, capt, V)
[Devil Lance]:
Black Canary to replace Connor Hawke: 1 (DL) / 2 (mp, V)
[jinzin]:
Robin to Second: 1 (jinzin) / 3 (Wally West, Soljer, V)
Gorgon to Uber: 1 (jinzin) / 2 (V, capt)
or Gorgon to the remaining Marvel Top Tier spot: 1 (jinzin) / 1 (capt)
[Martian_Mind]
Catwoman to Fourth: 1 (MM) /
Boom Boom to Third: 1 (MM) /
Cable to take remaining Marvel Top Tier spot: 1 (MM) / 1 (V)
[Nataku]
Ares to Second: 2 (V, Nat) / 1 (MM)
[me]
Midnight Sun to Second: 2 (me, V) / 0

Comments:
-The proposed movement up of Kingpin has been defeated 4 to 1. Night Thrasher will be considered defeated soon.
-Recent additions: Shatterstar, Nightcrawler, Cannonball, Prometheus, Stone, Onyx, Tarantula, Boom Boom
-I don't concur with Domino for second as yet. Would need to see something from her. Likewise Boom Boom, so until there's more agreement should hold off on adding them.
-Not sure if Puck on skill alone warrants a second tier placing as proposed.
-I'm proposing moving Midnight Sun into second tier... he just looks wrong up there... and I'm unconvinced he's been placed there due to skill alone.

Hmmmm.....Well Domino also punked one of those guys who punked Shatterstar,she spares against Cable regularily,and recently held out against Deadpool in a pure contest of skill.She was able to completely bypass Cable cone of silence through pure skill.

Boom-Boom should be in third,however put her in fourth for now.

Cable deserves that top-tier spot far more the BP.Greater experience,skill and an excellent track record against most top-tiers(bar one case of super-jobbing to Cap)

http://www.radioblogclub.com/open/113448/village_people/Vilage%20People%20-%20Macho%20men

[Alfheim]:
Black Panther to take the remaining Marvel Top Tier spot: 1 (Alfheim) /
[marvelprince]:
Night Thrasher to Second Tier: 2 (mp) / 4 (Soljer, jinzin, capt and I)
Elektra to the remaining Marvel Top Tier spot: 3 (mp, Accel, jinzin) / 2 (Soljer, capt)
[Devil Lance]:
Black Canary to replace Connor Hawke: 1 (DL) / 1 (mp)
[jinzin]:
Robin to Second: 1 (jinzin) / 2 (Wally West, Soljer)
Gorgon to Uber: 1 (jinzin) / 1 (capt)
or Gorgon to the remaining Marvel Top Tier spot: 1 (jinzin) / 1 (capt)
[Martian_Mind]
Catwoman to Fourth: 1 (MM) /
[Nataku]
Ares to Second: 1 (Nat) / 1 (MM)
[me]
Midnight Sun to Second: 1 (me) /

I'm also against Thraser going Second
I'm against Elektra taking the Marvel Top Tier Spot
Against Black Canary over-taking Connor Hawke
I'm against Robin going to second
I'm against Gorgon going to uber
I'm for Ares going to second
And I'm for Midnight Sun going to second

Also add Cable to top-tier as an official motion.

1[MM]

I'm definetly against that aswell.

The Cable proposed movement is already there + All of V's votes have been edited in. Night Thrasher to second and Robin to second will be considered defeated soon. Three contenders for the Marvel top tier spot, Elektra, Cable and BP... I'm a bit surprised a few others have yet to be mentioned. While I'm not voting for Elektra my vote is likely to go against both BP and Cable considering Elektra is in contention.

Ugh.....look i'll throw up some Cable shit on the morrow......it's like 12 here...

Originally posted by Alfheim
Not in their first encounter. He wasnt amped to superhuman levels and he was making Wolverine look like an amateur and in the second ecounter he was doing it again....im noit sure if he was superhuman in the sceond encounter though.

He a peakhuman always has been……….I don’t know were you get your informantion, but you are wrong.

How did he make wolverine look like an amatur wolverine won the encounter. Did you even read the whole fight? Wolverine was the one who was on top winning the fight until thing took his attention away. If you actaully read the fight you would know both wolverine and thing though and were certain wolverine had BP beat.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yes it does because speed helps you to dodge and counter moves. You cant dodge and counter moves if you are slow can you??

That has nothing to do with how skilled you are. Being a skilled fighter has no baring on your speed.

Originally posted by Alfheim
How? Im not talking about running speed im talking about dodging and countering which is what BP was doing to Wolverine, which is what you learn in MA dodging and countering.

Countering ahs to do with skill dodging is most simply speed. You don’t understand , because you don’t listen.

OK spiderman would beat batman because he superior physically. Now if you gave batman and spiderman that same physicall stats then batman would thrash spiderman, because he is more skilled……….please tell me you understand now, because honestly your ignorance is just…………..ugggg

Originally posted by Alfheim
Ok so tell me how you're going to deflect something if you're slow.

Simply deflexed it……….

You are so stupid some times. You are looking at this as if it a fight. Ok skill has nothing to do with your physicall attributes he has to do with how good a fighter you are and your knowledge of combat styles and so forth.

Just because some one is faster then you does not make them your superior in skill. You can be more skilled then some one and still lose simply because they are physically to much however that does not take away from the fact that you are more skilled.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yes I agree but dodging is still a skill

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/skill

1. the ability, coming from one's knowledge, practice, aptitude, etc., to do something well: Carpentry was one of his many skills.

In MA they actually [B]teach you how to dodge and that comes under the criteria for a skill. Im not making this stuff up, ive done boxing and they teach ypou how to dodge...therefore its a skill[/B]


Ddue I highly doubt you took boxing you know almost nothing about martial arts…….

Yes and no. You do not have to be taught to dodge it a reflex. There may be ways taught to you to dodge, but it not some thing that you need to be taught it a instinctive reaction…….

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah thats my point you moron.

Really now then why do you keep saying speed equals skill……..

Originally posted by Alfheim
Spiderman could beat DD in H2H but what enables him to do that is not his fighting skill but his [B]superhuman stats combined with some fighting knowledge [/B]

Yes which I have been trying to get throw you fing head for the last 4 posts……

Originally posted by Alfheim
Prove it show me evidence he underestimated him.

You are an idiot if you can’t see it for your self. He was clearly surprised by BP speed which means he underestimated how fast BP was………

Originally posted by Alfheim
I'll have to get a second opinion on this. Oh yeah you do know that BP was holding back and Wolverine was trying to serioulsy **** him up or kill him. BP wasnt even taking it that seriously

Actually BP was taking it like a realy fight. It does not matter how wolverine was taking it since BP would have been put in the position regardless if wolverine was fighting to kill or not. The only difference was wolverine would have killed him when he had him pinned or simply keep him pinned. Also wolverines not some cold blooded killer that kills other hero’s that was a crappy writing on wolverine character personality.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well on the first fight BP was holding back. It could be argued that if he took it more seriously he could have won. You can see that despite BP holding back he is doing quite well.

Not really. It can’t be at all. BP was fighting he was not holding back other then killing which he does not do………BP was not holding back anything other then how he always is.

Originally posted by Alfheim
In the second encounter BP is outclassing him in speed again, therefore it implies that BP could beat Wolverine again.

You’re an idiot. First fight he lost. Second encounter wolverine simply underestimated him. BP did nothing to out class wolverine at all. All he did was surprise wolverine like he did in the first match which ended with BP pinned to the ground……..

I am sorry, but you have weird ways of viewing fights….