Official list update and proposed changes update.
Current Hierarchy
Cosmic Tier: (Universal Martial Artists)
Champion of the Universe, Gamora, Karate Kid, Mantis, Midnight Sun, Thanos
Uber Tier: (Revered Martial Artists)
O Sensei, Ogun, Kirigi (DC), Stick
Top Tier: ("Greatest Martial Artists"😉
Batgirl (Cassandra Cain), Batman, Bronze Tiger, Captain America, Connor Hawke, Constantine Drakon, Iron Fist, Lady Shiva, Richard Dragon, Shang Chi, Shen Kuei (The Cat), Taskmaster, Wolverine
Second Tier: (Master Martial Artists)
Agent X, Azrael, Black Canary, Black Panther, Black Widow, Bullseye, Cable, Daredevil, David Cain, Deadpool, Deathstroke, Donatello, Echo, Elektra, Eric Killmonger, Gorgon, Green Arrow, Karnak, Leonardo, Michaelangelo, Natas, Nick Fury, Nightwing, Prometheus, Raphael, Ra's al Ghul, Ravager, Red Hood, Red Skull, Shatterstar, Silver Samurai, Stone, Wildcat (Ted Grant), Winter Soldier, Wonder Woman, Vandal Savage, X-23
Third Tier: (Highly Skilled Martial Artists)
Ares, Arsenal, Bane, Beta Ray Bill, Blade, Blue Beetle (Ted Kord), Doctor Mid-Nite, Doctor Strange, Domino, Hawkeye, Hercules, Huntress, Katana, Kingpin, Lady Deathstrike, Midnighter, Mister America (Tex Thomson), Mister Terrific, Mockingbird, Moon Knight, Nightcrawler, Night Thrasher, Onyx, Punisher, Psylocke, The Question, Robin, Sabretooth, Shadowcat, Shrike IV (Boone), Speedy (Mia Dearden), Stacy X, Thor, US Agent, Wong
Fourth Tier: (Trained Martial Artist)
Batgirl (Barbara Gordon), Black Cat, Boom Boom, Cannonball, Catwoman, Colleen Wing, Colossus, Cyclops, Gambit, Iron-Man, Jubilee, Misty Knight, Mystique, She-Hulk, Starfire, Storm, Tarantula, Thing
Accomplished Fighter: (Little formal training/Some Skill)
Beast, Invisible Woman, Luke Cage, Spider-Man
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Proposed Changes (Votes For / Votes Against)
[Alfheim]:
Black Panther to take the remaining Marvel Top Tier spot: 2 (Alfheim, mp) / 3 (Soljer, capt and I)
[marvelprince]:
Elektra to the remaining Marvel Top Tier spot: 5 (capt, mp, Accel, jinzin and I) / 2 (Soljer, V)
[Devil Lance]:
Black Canary to replace Connor Hawke: 1 (DL) / 2 (mp, V)
[jinzin]:
Gorgon to Uber: 1 (jinzin) / 3 (V, capt, mp)
or Gorgon to the remaining Marvel Top Tier spot: 1 (jinzin) / 2 (capt, mp)
[Martian_Mind]
Boom Boom to Third: 1 (MM) /
Cable to take remaining Marvel Top Tier spot: 1 (MM) / 1 (V)
[Nataku]
Ares to Second: 3 (V, Nat and I) / 1 (MM)
[me]
Midnight Sun to Second: 2 (V and I) / 0
Comments:
-Catwoman has been moved up to Fourth Tier (Vote 3:0)
-Recent additions: Champion, Invisible Woman, Huntress, Katana, Hawkeye, Mockingbird, Domino, Kirigi (DC)
-If there's no further opposition Elektra will take the 7th Top Tier spot soon as she's currently the top contender by votes.
-Anyone have any suggestions as to who should take the two Indie/Other spots in the top tier?
Originally posted by capt it up
this is what liek the 10th time you have made assumption with out reading the whole issue.the rest is utter crap? Dude do you even realize how wrong you have been?
you think speed some how effects some one skill level........
you also thing that by surpizing some one some how that makes you faster and more skilled......
They.....teach.....you....how.....to....dodge.....in.....MA.....therefore.....its a skill. For example a boxer would dodge differently from an athelete because they specifically taught how to dodge....get it?
Originally posted by marvelprince
Actually I've seen quite an impressive respect thread for NT on Herochat and I am fan. I'm aware of his skills, but agaisnt others in the next category I don't think he cuts it. He goes to the top of his tier imo, but if you think you can convince me feel free. I'll read
Im posted some stuff earlier im quite despondent and fed up right now. Besides there alot of stuff I posted for the Punisher in second tier which you didnt respond too, but if MK is becoming third tier im running out of evidence.
One last point I can make is NT thought that Punisher was very skilled and from what somebody told me Punisher almost beat NY but NT used a gun on him.
Moondragon:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moondragon
"Moondragon is also a highly skilled martial artist and has been taught by the monks of Titan to have complete control over her body functions such as breathing. She also is highly knowledgeable in various scientific disciplines such as biology and genetics."
The problem with Gorgon is we can't really be sure if he tooled Elektra and Wolverine on skill or just his VASTLY superior physical attributes. Honestly? I say he can at least net top-tier.
But it seems that that spot will be going to Elektra - which I don't have a problem with. I just, like you, was a little surprised that others haven't been nominated. Elektra is fine by me - I know good and well when I've been beaten, and when I was wrong (something another poster in this thread could use to learn...).
👇 on Cable. None of his feats justify a top-tier placing.
👇 on Ares. I WANT him to be second tier. Hell, I'd love for him to be tip-top-tier, but I haven't seen any skill feats from him that justify the placement. Being the god of War just doesn't cut it for me. Maybe he's insane with tactics and strategy? I mean, a five star general is a pretty good war monger, but he doesn't necessarily have to be particularly skilled.
👆 on Midnight Sun. Bump his ass down.
Originally posted by Alfheim
One last point I can make is NT thought that Punisher was very skilled and from what somebody told me Punisher almost beat NY but NT used a gun on him.
"Thrasher would have won had the Punisher not managed to submachine gun him with several rounds at close range, breaking his ribs underneath his armor"
Originally posted by Soljer
God damnit, Alfheim, would you take your little tirade with Capt somewhere else? It's flooding the thread, and it has very little to do with the topic.
I cant debate BP for top tier? Thats against the rules? No its not get off my back.
Originally posted by Soljer
"Thrasher would have won had the Punisher not managed to submachine gun him with several rounds at close range, breaking his ribs underneath his armor"
fair enough
Update.
Proposed Changes (Votes For / Votes Against)
[Alfheim]:
Black Panther to take the remaining Marvel Top Tier spot: 2 (Alfheim, mp) / 3 (Soljer, capt and I)
[marvelprince]:
Elektra to the remaining Marvel Top Tier spot: 5 (capt, mp, Accel, jinzin and I) / 1 (V)
[Devil Lance]:
Black Canary to replace Connor Hawke: 1 (DL) / 2 (mp, V)
[jinzin]:
Gorgon to Uber: 1 (jinzin) / 3 (V, capt, mp)
or Gorgon to the remaining Marvel Top Tier spot: 2 (Soljer, jinzin) / 2 (capt, mp)
[Martian_Mind]
Boom Boom to Third: 1 (MM) /
Cable to take remaining Marvel Top Tier spot: 1 (MM) / 2 (V, Soljer)
[Nataku]
Ares to Second: 2 (V, Nat) / 2 (MM, Soljer)
[me]
Midnight Sun to Second: 3 (Soljer, V and I) / 0
Comments:
-Soljer, I removed your opposition to Elektra but didn't switch your vote to in favour. I think my vote is there partially because she's the most likely contender to actually gain support for moving up right now. Of course she's also the most likely to be targeted for replacement later. She will be moved to Top Tier in the next update.
-The votes on Gorgon, BP and Cable will be changed to whether they should replace Elektra.
-I think that's enough of a majority to move Midnight Sun down in the next update.
-On Moondragon, I'm not sure on where to place her martial skills... she is a "cosmic character" but predominantly due to her psionic powers... second tier?
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Update.[b]Proposed Changes
(Votes For / Votes Against)[Alfheim]:
Black Panther to take the remaining Marvel Top Tier spot: 2 (Alfheim, mp) / 3 (Soljer, capt and I)
[marvelprince]:
Elektra to the remaining Marvel Top Tier spot: 5 (capt, mp, Accel, jinzin and I) / 1 (V)
[Devil Lance]:
Black Canary to replace Connor Hawke: 1 (DL) / 2 (mp, V)
[jinzin]:
Gorgon to Uber: 1 (jinzin) / 3 (V, capt, mp)
or Gorgon to the remaining Marvel Top Tier spot: 2 (Soljer, jinzin) / 2 (capt, mp)
[Martian_Mind]
Boom Boom to Third: 1 (MM) /
Cable to take remaining Marvel Top Tier spot: 1 (MM) / 2 (V, Soljer)
[Nataku]
Ares to Second: 2 (V, Nat) / 2 (MM, Soljer)
[me]
Midnight Sun to Second: 3 (Soljer, V and I) / 0Comments:
-Soljer, I removed your opposition to Elektra but didn't switch your vote to in favour. I think my vote is there partially because she's the most likely contender to actually gain support for moving up right now. Of course she's also the most likely to be targeted for replacement later. She will be moved to Top Tier in the next update.
-I think that's enough of a majority to move Midnight Sun down in the next update. [/B]
Yeah, since we've got nobody else to move up other than Elektra. I guess we should move her up aswell then.
Originally posted by Soljer
You aren't debating for T'Challa's skill.You're in a pissing match back and forth over whether speed is representative of skill or not.
That statement is stupid. **** off and leave me alone. I thought I was debating but obvoulsy now you know me better than I know myself what a load of rubbish.
Originally posted by Soljer
You aren't debating for T'Challa's skill.You're in a pissing match back and forth over whether speed is representative of skill or not.
I saw it more as:
OMGZ!1!1!
MY MAN-CRUSH IS BIGGER THAN YOUR MAN-CRUSH haermm
That pretty much sums up you and Capt It Up's argument at the minute 😬
Originally posted by CasanoVa
I saw it more as:OMGZ!1!1!
MY MAN-CRUSH IS BIGGER THAN YOUR MAN-CRUSH haermm
That pretty much sums up you and Capt It Up's argument at the minute 😬
Im not even a BP fan! I just simply thought those scans put Bp in top tier beacuse he was better than Wolverine. Did you even read what was posted?
Originally posted by Alfheim
Im not even a BP fan! I just simply thought those scans put Bp in top tier beacuse he was better than Wolverine. Did you even read what was posted?
Why should I if you don't?
Its like this. I havnet read the whole fight all the information isnt there so i'll to take you're word for it. As for the rest its complete and utter shite and I cant be bothered.
Originally posted by CasanoVa
Why should I if you don't?
You gonna take evrything out of context. Did you see what we were debating. I said that dodging is a skill because they teach you that in MA I even got a reference from the dictionary to define what a skill was was. I think it was pretty obvious dodging was a skill, thats why I couldnt be bothered.
As for not reading. I didnt read the rest of the fight because I didnt have the comicbook.
This goes to show you didnt even understand what im saying.
Besides thats not even the point. You accused me of having a Mancrush on BP, if you had bothered to read the post you would have seen thats not the case.
Then after that you're reading my post and taking it out of context.
Originally posted by Alfheim
You gonna take evrything out of context. Did you see what we were debating. I said that dodging is a skill because they teach you that in MA I even got a reference from the dictionary to define what a skill was was. I think it was pretty obvious dodging was a skill, thats why I couldnt be bothered.As for not reading. I didnt read the rest of the fight because I didnt have the comicbook.
This goes to show you didnt even understand what im saying.
No it doesn't, it goes to show you're an idiot.. You're thread sucks and that the only thing saving it is xmarksthespot and all the other intelligent posters who are taking the time to sift through your biased bull-shit.
kthxbi 😉
*sucked.
It suckED. "Xmarks and all the other intelligent posters" saved it. It's not so bad now.
Anyways - dodging in the comic book sense is about speed, not skill. If you want to argue that T'Challa is faster than Wolverine, go for it. Just not here.
If you want to argue that he's more skilled? 😆 😆 Well, then you're going to be met with opposition from every corner of the friggin comic globe. Handbooks, scans, feats, et cetera all say that Wolverine's skill is only matched (or exceeded, though we don't need to get into that) by Captain friggin America(and the likes of the Uber and Cosmic tiers - but they don't really count.)
Originally posted by CasanoVa
No it doesn't, i
yes it does because if you bothered to read the thread you would not have accused me of having a mancrush on BP you didnt read what I posted.
Furthermore are you even aware that alot of you're Bullseye scans dont even count as evidence because some of them dont show him fighting H2H or hardly H2H. You didnt even think of that did you.
Originally posted by Soljer
*Anyways - dodging in the comic book sense is about speed, not skill. If you want to argue that T'Challa is faster than Wolverine, go for it. Just not here.
If they teach you how to dodge in MA then its a skill isnt it? BP is obvoulsy an MA.
Have you done martial arts before.