Originally posted by jrodslam
As much as i like Tigra and Thundercats, can you pst more MA's feats from them?Is there a Thundercats respect thread somewhere?
I disagree with you adding them to the tier.
For one, X is really the only one that adds or makes changes. It streamlines the thread.
Two, I know NOTHING about them. I could very well come in here and say "I'm adding Joe Blow from BS Comics to Cosmic Tier, anyone disagree?" and it'd be about the same.
You're fairly trustworthy, I don't think you'd lie, so I won't request scans. But, if you could, make a short list of feats that make you think they're justified for that spot.
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I think Deadpool has a shot at the top tier. He just ****s around too much. As we've seen lately in Cable/Deadpool, when he's serious, he's quite formidable. I'm not going to go out of my way to nominate him just yet, but...if he's not there? He's close.
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Another person that should be added to the list is Daken, Wolverine's son from Wolverine: Origins. He's a relatively new character, and he has very few showings, but just by the last two issues of Origins we can tell that he is Logan's superior in the skill department. That, alone, would justify a top tier placement.
Originally posted by Soljer
I disagree with you adding them to the tier.For one, X is really the only one that adds or makes changes. It streamlines the thread.
Two, I know NOTHING about them. I could very well come in here and say "I'm adding Joe Blow from BS Comics to Cosmic Tier, anyone disagree?" and it'd be about the same.
You're fairly trustworthy, I don't think you'd lie, so I won't request scans. But, if you could, make a short list of feats that make you think they're justified for that spot.
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I think Deadpool has a shot at the top tier. He just ****s around too much. As we've seen lately in Cable/Deadpool, when he's serious, he's quite formidable. I'm not going to go out of my way to nominate him just yet, but...if he's not there? He's close.
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Another person that should be added to the list is Daken, Wolverine's son from Wolverine: Origins. He's a relatively new character, and he has very few showings, but just by the last two issues of Origins we can tell that he is Logan's superior in the skill department. That, alone, would justify a top tier placement.
sounds fair. will do once I get home. I am going hoem tommarrow after my last final yay lol 💃 💃
Originally posted by SoljerAnother person that should be added to the list is Daken, Wolverine's son from Wolverine: Origins. He's a relatively new character, and he has very few showings, but just by the last two issues of Origins we can tell that he is Logan's superior in the skill department. That, alone, would justify a top tier placement.
Yea first showings almost always should be taken with a grain of salt. They have to get you sold on how great the character is so they have to make them seem pretty tough right from the jump. Give him time.
I agree about Deadpool, when he's serious of course. He's top tier material but I think that there are a few more "serious" competitors that deserve a spot before he does (DD, BP to name a few).
As far as Daken goes, not only did he beat his father, he straight up tells his dad "I'm better than you."
Guess what Wolverine does? He says "He's right."
Later, Cyber tells Wolverine, more or less, "Idiot, if he couldn't beat me, you don't have a chance in hell!"
I know we take first showings with a grain of salt, but unless something happens to knock Daken OFF the top tier, I'd say he belongs there. Cyber and Wolverine BOTH admitted that he's better than them, after all...
Originally posted by SoljerFair enough.
As far as Daken goes, not only did he beat his father, he straight up tells his dad "I'm better than you."Guess what Wolverine does? He says "He's right."
Later, Cyber tells Wolverine, more or less, "Idiot, if he couldn't beat me, you don't have a chance in hell!"
I know we take first showings with a grain of salt, but unless something happens to knock Daken OFF the top tier, I'd say he belongs there. Cyber and Wolverine BOTH admitted that he's better than them, after all...
Originally posted by Soljer
As far as Daken goes, not only did he beat his father, he straight up tells his dad "I'm better than you."Guess what Wolverine does? He says "He's right."
Later, Cyber tells Wolverine, more or less, "Idiot, if he couldn't beat me, you don't have a chance in hell!"
I know we take first showings with a grain of salt, but unless something happens to knock Daken OFF the top tier, I'd say he belongs there. Cyber and Wolverine BOTH admitted that he's better than them, after all...
Originally posted by capt it up
see again not sure. wolverine saying he better really not saying much. He could have met any number of things meaning better killer or what not. It hard to discern with logan sicne well it his son. My father says im better at things all the time when reallty im not. We really have to wait and see. I have a feeling logan going to end up beating the shit out of daken and say something like "I have to stop treating him like he a kid, he deadly can't use kid gloves any more" then beat the hell out of him lol.
Sounds like wishful thinking, to me...
Update.
Current Hierarchy
Cosmic Tier: (Transcendent Martial Artists)
Champion of the Universe, Gamora, Karate Kid, Mantis, Thanos
Uber Tier: (Unearthly Martial Artists)
Kirigi (DC), Moondragon, O-Sensei, Ogun, Snake-Eyes, Stick
Top Tier: ("Greatest Martial Artists"😉
Batgirl (Cassandra Cain), Batman, Bronze Tiger, Captain America, Connor Hawke, Constantine Drakon, Elektra, Iron Fist, Lady Shiva, Richard Dragon, Shang Chi, Shen Kuei (The Cat), Taskmaster, Wolverine
Second Tier: (Master Martial Artists)
Agent X, Azrael, Black Canary, Black Panther, Black Widow, Bullseye, Cable, Daken, Daredevil, David Cain, Deadpool, Deathstroke, Donatello, Echo, Eric Killmonger, Gorgon (Tomi Shishido), Green Arrow, Grifter, Karnak, Lady Deathstrike, Leonardo, Michaelangelo, Midnight Sun, Natas, Nick Fury, Nightwing, Prometheus, Puck, Ra's al Ghul, Raphael, Ravager, Red Hood, Red Skull, Silver Samurai, Steel Serpent, Stone, Talia al Ghul, Twelve Brothers in Silk, Wildcat (Ted Grant), Winter Soldier, Wonder Woman, Vandal Savage, X-23
Third Tier: (Highly Skilled Martial Artists)
Ares, Arsenal, Bane, Beta Ray Bill, Black Bolt, Black Knight (Dane Whitman), Blade, Blue Beetle (Ted Kord), Colleen Wing, Damian Wayne, Doctor Mid-Nite, Doctor Strange, Domino, Donna Troy, Hawkeye, Hercules, Huntress, Katana, Kingpin, Lady Vic, Midnighter, Mister America (Tex Thomson), Mister Terrific, Mockingbird, Moon Knight, Night Thrasher, Nightcrawler, Onyx, Psylocke, Punisher, The Question, Revanche, Robin (Tim Drake), Sabretooth, Shadowcat, Shatterstar, Shrike IV (Boone), Speedy (Mia Dearden), Spider-Woman (Jessica Drew), Stacy X, Terry McGinnis, Thor, US Agent, V, Wild Child, Wong
Fourth Tier: (Trained Martial Artists)
Batgirl (Barbara Gordon), Batwoman, Black Cat, Blink, Blue Devil, Boom Boom, Cannonball, Carol Danvers, Catwoman, Colossus, Cyclops, Falcon, Gambit, Hawkgirl, Hawkman, Iron-Man, Jamie Madrox, Jubilee, Misty Knight, Mystique, She-Hulk, Starfire, Storm, Superman, Tarantula, Thing, Zauriel
Accomplished Fighter: (Little formal training/Some Skill)
Apocalypse, Beast, Grace Choi, Hulk, Invisible Woman, Luke Cage, Monet St. Croix, Spider-Man, Strong Guy
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Proposed Top Tier
[Marvel Top Tier]
Daredevil (3): mp, jrodslam, Soljer?
Gorgon (3): jinzin, capt, Soljer?
Black Panther (2): Alfheim, Apolloknight
Cable (1): Martian_Mind
Bullseye (1): Spunky?
Deadpool (1): Spunky?
[DC Top Tier]
Black Canary (3): Soljer, mp, DL, me (tentatively)
Red Hood (1): Martian_Mind
Proposed Changes (Votes For / Votes Against)
[Spunky]:
Taskmaster down to second: 2 (MM, Spunky) / 4 (mp, Nataku, Trickster, Soljer)
[me]
Mantis down to Uber: 2 (me, Soljer) / 0
[capt]
Snake-Eyes down to top tier: 2? (capt, jinzin?) / 1? (shrank?)
Additions: Daken
Changes: Moondragon to Uber: 4 (Spunky, me, Soljer, mp) / 0
-Black Canary will take the remaining DC top tier spot if she gains another vote in favor.
-Hasn't really been any discussion of Drax, Adam Warlock and Mar-Vell? Still...
-There are two top tier spots open for Indie/Other that are left idle... Snake-Eyes is considered indie right? Perhaps he should take one of these spots instead. I'm not sure if he belongs alongside Moondragon, Ogun etc.
-If there's no more support for Taskmaster to move down or any more support to retain him where he is, the proposed change will be defeated soon. Likewise if vice versa for Mantis, she'll be moved down.
Comments:
-Spunky's proposed change for Moondragon to uber - if there's no opposition to the move it will occur soon.
-Any consensus on whether and where to move Champion?
-Much as I like Doop... no. I don't know enough about Savage Dragon to comment on him.
-Soljer and Spunky can you clarify who you think should take the top tier spot.