Originally posted by Martian_mind
I think people misunderstood me...I meant that Nightwing or Red Hood or several other MA's of the DCU would be better suited for Top-tier then Black Canary.
Jason Blood with his 3000+years
Judomaster
O-sensie No2
How are Nightwing and Hood better suited than Canary for the top spot? Shiva has flat out embarassed Nightwing and Canary can at least hold her own against her.
Originally posted by marvelprince
How are Nightwing and Hood better suited than Canary for the top spot? Shiva has flat out embarassed Nightwing and Canary can at least hold her own against her.
As can Batman,and Jason has held his own against him...and Nightwing has nothing to indicate he's better then Jason.
So Nightwing i just said as i didn't want rabid NW fanboys or Jason haters tearing my head off.
Point stands that Judomaster or Jason Blood would WTF all three of them.
Don't know about Judomaster thats why I didn't comment on him.
Same with Jason Blood. I know he's been around for a loong time but I always that he was primarily magic and not h2h fighting.
Everyone holds their own against Batman. Jason, Batgirl and even Nightwing before. I do think that Jason is Nightwing's superior in straight h2h skills, but he's not on Bruce's or even Dinah's level.
Btw did you read Countdown yet? What did you think of Jason's role?
Originally posted by marvelprince
Don't know about Judomaster thats why I didn't comment on him.Same with Jason Blood. I know he's been around for a loong time but I always that he was primarily magic and not h2h fighting.
Everyone holds their own against Batman. Jason, Batgirl and even Nightwing before. I do think that Jason is Nightwing's superior in straight h2h skills, but he's not on Bruce's or even Dinah's level.
Btw did you read Countdown yet? What did you think of Jason's role?
Judomaster was a master of Judo from the sixties,so basically he could d anything with his MA.
Blood is old,and has travelled to every poart of the world and trained himdef in thousands of mystic,mental and martial arts to try and free himself from Etrigan...
Nightwing fought Batman.Held out is not how you'd describe it,considering he cheapshotted him twice then never landed a hit,and Batman put him on his ass in two hits.
So,holding out against Batman and shown as atleasat on par with Nightwing stops him from being on Bats level....how?
......
Now that the unpleasent part is out of the way,I'll say,No.
I live in Oz so comic shops are in short supply,so i have to mail order and it takes 4 days for my comics to come...sigh...
Originally posted by Martian_mind
Judomaster was a master of Judo from the sixties,so basically he could d anything with his MA.
Cool.
Originally posted by Martian_mind
Blood is old,and has travelled to every poart of the world and trained himdef in thousands of mystic,mental and martial arts to try and free himself from Etrigan...
Yeah, I've read all of this but haven't seen any feats.
Originally posted by Martian_mind
Nightwing fought Batman.Held out is not how you'd describe it,considering he cheapshotted him twice then never landed a hit,and Batman put him on his ass in two hits.So,holding out against Batman and shown as atleasat on par with Nightwing stops him from being on Bats level....how?
You kind of answered it yourself. I basically said that its not uncommon for inferior MA's to hold their own against Batman. If Jason has been shown to be "on par" with Nightwing and as you said Bruce put Nightwing on his ass in two hits how do you figure that Jason is Batman's equal?
Besides even the "on par" with Nightwing thing is debatable as now there are so many factors to show that Dick wasn't going all out. Same thing when he was fighting Bruce.
Originally posted by Martian_mind
Now that the unpleasent part is out of the way,I'll say,No.I live in Oz so comic shops are in short supply,so i have to mail order and it takes 4 days for my comics to come...sigh...
Ah my. You'll get your fix soon though.
Originally posted by marvelprince
Cool.Yeah, I've read all of this but haven't seen any feats.
You kind of answered it yourself. I basically said that its not uncommon for inferior MA's to hold their own against Batman. If Jason has been shown to be "on par" with Nightwing and as you said Bruce put Nightwing on his ass in two hits how do you figure that Jason is Batman's equal?
Besides even the "on par" with Nightwing thing is debatable as now there are so many factors to show that Dick wasn't going all out. Same thing when he was fighting Bruce.
Ah my. You'll get your fix soon though.
I said atleast on par,as there are several factors that show Jason holds back as well,and Nightwing only gets advantages over Jason when he either sneak attacks or Goes all out on a Jason holding back more then usual.
Jason really has no low showings to suggest he's below Nightwing,however he sure as hell has ones that indicate a level near Batmans,as Nightwing WAS thrashed....Jason wasn't.....
Me no have feats for Blood at the moment,but next weekend i may be able to make a Jason blood/Etrigan respect thread 😄
Need...a...new...Jason...Todd...comic.....have...all...appearences....so...cold...
Originally posted by Martian_mind
Third Tier: (Highly Skilled Martial Artists)
Arsenal, Bane, Blade, Blue Beetle (Ted Kord), Doctor Mid-Nite, Doctor Strange, Hercules, Kingpin, Lady Deathstrike, Midnighter, Mister America (Tex Thomson), Mister Terrific, Moon Knight, Night Thrasher, The Question, Punisher, Psylocke, Robin, Sabretooth, Shadowcat, Shrike IV (Boone), Speedy (Mia Dearden), US Agent,Thor,Beta Ray Bill
Beta Ray Bill had to smash an entire world of warriors to win his position as guardian. AND he beat up Thor. Twice.
Shouldn't he be considered a Master too?
Originally posted by MRasheed
Beta Ray Bill had to smash an entire world of warriors to win his position as guardian. AND he beat up Thor. Twice.Shouldn't he be considered a Master too?
I doubt he fought them all at once,plus this is 1v1 martial arts combat.
Bill was losing the first encounter till Thor lost his hammer,and then the next fight was rigged in his favour by Odin,so he never "smashed" Thor.
Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Doop's mastered hundreds of Martial Arts!Classic Doop was a seven in fighting ability (I think that was a category)!
I vote him to uber tier, and Deadpool to top tier.
Was his fighting ability ever actually referenced IN comics? I know he was a seven in the handbooks, but in the comics themselves, was he ever attributed with the mastery of hundreds of martial arts?