Ranks for MAs

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Is that Batman and Luthor in the crowd?

I think so.

So billionaire heroes/villians can't be spectators?

When will it end with you people?

I think predudice comes mostly from that Wayne is secretly black.

I mean come on "I am the night" subtle enough for you?

Hmm, I wondered he's always billed as the Dark Knight.

I'm going to vote Snake Eyes down to top tier - if evidence is provided that he's above top-tier, I'll change my vote, till then, however, I say Snake Eyes be our first Indie top-tier.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Update.

[b]Current Hierarchy

Cosmic Tier: (Transcendent Martial Artists)
Champion of the Universe, Gamora, Karate Kid, Mantis, Thanos

Uber Tier: (Unearthly Martial Artists)
Kirigi (DC), Mandarin, Moondragon, O-Sensei, Ogun, Snake-Eyes, Stick, Temugin

Top Tier: ("Greatest Martial Artists"😉
Batgirl (Cassandra Cain), Batman, Black Canary, Bronze Tiger, Captain America, Connor Hawke, Constantine Drakon, Elektra, Iron Fist, Lady Shiva, Richard Dragon, Shang Chi, Shen Kuei (The Cat), Taskmaster, Wolverine

Second Tier: (Master Martial Artists)
Adam Warlock, Agent X, Azrael, Black Panther, Black Widow, Bullseye, Cable, Captain Mar-Vell, Daken, Daredevil, David Cain, Deadpool, Deathstroke, Donatello, Echo, Eric Killmonger, Gorgon (Tomi Shishido), Green Arrow, Grifter, Karnak, Lady Deathstrike, Leonardo, Michaelangelo, Midnight Sun, Natas, Nick Fury, Nightwing, Prometheus, Puck, Ra's al Ghul, Raphael, Ravager, Red Hood, Red Skull, Silver Samurai, Steel Serpent, Stone, Talia al Ghul, Twelve Brothers in Silk, Wildcat (Ted Grant), Winter Soldier, Wonder Woman, Vandal Savage, X-23

Third Tier: (Highly Skilled Martial Artists)
Ares, Arsenal, Bane, Beta Ray Bill, Black Bolt, Black Knight (Dane Whitman), Blade, Blue Beetle (Ted Kord), Colleen Wing, Damian Wayne, Doctor Mid-Nite, Doctor Strange, Domino, Donna Troy, Drax, Hawkeye, Hercules, Huntress, Katana, Kingpin, Lady Vic, Midnighter, Mister America (Tex Thomson), Mister Terrific, Mockingbird, Moon Knight, Night Thrasher, Nightcrawler, Onyx, Psylocke, Punisher, The Question, Revanche, Robin (Tim Drake), Sabretooth, Shadowcat, Shatterstar, Shrike IV (Boone), Speedy (Mia Dearden), Spider-Woman (Jessica Drew), Stacy X, Terry McGinnis, Thor, US Agent, V, Wild Child, Wong

Fourth Tier: (Trained Martial Artists)
Batgirl (Barbara Gordon), Batwoman, Black Cat, Blink, Blue Devil, Boom Boom, Cannonball, Carol Danvers, Catwoman, Colossus, Cyclops, Falcon, Gambit, Hawkgirl, Hawkman, Iron-Man, Jamie Madrox, Jubilee, Misty Knight, Mystique, She-Hulk, Starfire, Storm, Superman, Tarantula, Thing, Zauriel

Accomplished Fighter: (Little formal training/Some Skill)
Apocalypse, Beast, Grace Choi, Hulk, Invisible Woman, Luke Cage, Monet St. Croix, Spider-Man, Strong Guy

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Proposed Top Tier
[Marvel Top Tier]
Daredevil (3): mp, jrodslam, Soljer
Gorgon (2): jinzin, capt
Black Panther (2): Alfheim, Apolloknight
Cable (1): Martian_Mind
Deadpool (1): Spunky

Proposed Changes (Votes For / Votes Against)
[me]
Mantis down to Uber: 2 (me, Soljer) / 0
[capt]
Snake-Eyes down to top tier: 2? (capt, jinzin?) / 1? (shrank?)

Additions: Drax, Adam Warlock, Mandarin, Temugin and Mar-Vell. Although their positions are definitely subject to further discussion.
Changes: With the most votes in favor Black Canary takes the remaining DC top tier spot.
There isn't any clear leader on the Marvel side yet.
The Taskmaster change is defeated 5-2.
-There are two top tier spots open for Indie/Other that are left idle... Snake-Eyes is considered indie right? Perhaps he should take one of these spots instead. I'm not sure if he belongs alongside Moondragon, Ogun etc. Thoughts?
-If there's no opposition for Mantis to move down or any more support to move him down, the proposed change will be pass and she'll be moved down in the next update.

Comments:
-Any consensus on whether and where to move Champion? [/B]

2nd the vote to move DP to top tier. I vote against Gorgon. Not enough feats, and his TP means his skill is suspect. Against Cable too. Not a proven H2H master. Vandal Savage for top tier. He's probably the oldest (human) fighter in DC comics, maybe in comics in general. Mungi was gonna make a respect thread for him. I've seen him kick Flash around in H2H and beat the shit out of Ted Grant.

You don't need to quote the hierarchy to suggest changes. Or at least can just quote the changes section. doped

Vote for DP noted. Right now voting for the top tier spot is on votes in favour only.

For Vandal Savage to rise into the top tier he has to supplant another DC character, as top tier spots are limited. Although he does sound relatively impressive.

I personally would put Savage at third tier. Why? Because although hes experienced, his skills arent among the 2nd and top tier levels imo. He cant die and his healing factor is insane.

The Flash's arent well known for thier h2h prowess ya know. Dont get me wrong, Savage is better than average. Its just that i havent seen him fight the most technical fighters out there to put him on top tier level. Maybe someone else has.

I know hes currently at 2nd tier. I can live with that i guess.

Edit: Also, I think if anyone from Marvel should get bumped up from 2nd tier to first, it should be Nick Fury and/or Daredevil before anyone else. I wouldnt bump up Deadpool before those 2. Nor before Panther and Bullseye imo.

Daredevil for top.

As far as Marvel top tier goes, I'd bump;

Daredevil
Nick Fury/Bullseye
Deadpool
Black Panther/Winter Soldier

In that order.

Or Daken, but I realize that I won't garner nearly enough support considering that next to no one likely knows who he even is. 🙂.

Damn... I missed Nick Fury.

He deserves to be top tier. IIRC, he's stalemated Cap a couple times, which alone should put him in top tier.

I change my vote to Nick.

but doesn't fury have artificial enhancements via shield... like most/all shielf agents do?

and again I support gorgon in the 1st tier...
every feat he had was supplemented with skill.. he used skill to take out a tp blocking wolverine and elektra at the same time, and even with all of wolverine's toys wolverine said he had to stop trying to MATCH gorgon's skills.

and snake eyes should either go to top tier or bring storm shadow up to uber tier too.. I won't settle for less. lol.

Throw Snake eyes and Storm Shadow both into top tier, unless you (or someone else) has some evidence of their claim to 'uber-ness.'

As far as Fury goes, his only 'enhancement' is the infinity formula which simply prolongs aging. He doesn't have any biological/cybernetic enhancements or anything along those lines.

Though, one of the times he stalemated Cap he was using a shield 'power glove' or some such.

Meh, Daredevil is definitely Nick's superior in my eyes.

Originally posted by Soljer
Throw Snake eyes and Storm Shadow both into top tier, unless you (or someone else) has some evidence of their claim to 'uber-ness.'

Originally posted by Soljer
As far as Fury goes, his only 'enhancement' is the infinity formula which simply prolongs aging. He doesn't have any biological/cybernetic enhancements or anything along those lines.

Originally posted by Soljer
Meh, Daredevil is definitely Nick's superior in my eyes.

I just noticed. Crossbones isn't on the list. 😑 Can't believe we missed him.

He's at least 2nd tier.

Update.

Current Hierarchy

Cosmic Tier: (Transcendent Martial Artists)
Champion of the Universe, Gamora, Karate Kid, Mantis, Thanos

Uber Tier: (Unearthly Martial Artists)
Kirigi (DC), Mandarin, Moondragon, O-Sensei, Ogun, Stick, Temugin

Top Tier: ("Greatest Martial Artists"😉
Batgirl (Cassandra Cain), Batman, Black Canary, Bronze Tiger, Captain America, Connor Hawke, Constantine Drakon, Elektra, Iron Fist, Lady Shiva, Richard Dragon, Shang Chi, Shen Kuei (The Cat), Snake-Eyes, Storm Shadow, Taskmaster, Wolverine

Second Tier: (Master Martial Artists)
Adam Warlock, Agent X, Azrael, Black Panther, Black Widow, Bullseye, Cable, Captain Mar-Vell, Crossbones, Daken, Daredevil, David Cain, Deadpool, Deathstroke, Donatello, Echo, Eric Killmonger, Gorgon (Tomi Shishido), Green Arrow, Grifter, Karnak, Lady Deathstrike, Leonardo, Michaelangelo, Midnight Sun, Natas, Nick Fury, Nightwing, Prometheus, Puck, Ra's al Ghul, Raphael, Ravager, Red Hood, Red Skull, Silver Samurai, Steel Serpent, Stone, Talia al Ghul, Twelve Brothers in Silk, Wildcat (Ted Grant), Winter Soldier, Wonder Woman, Vandal Savage, X-23

Third Tier: (Highly Skilled Martial Artists)
Ares, Arsenal, Bane, Beta Ray Bill, Black Bolt, Black Knight (Dane Whitman), Blade, Blue Beetle (Ted Kord), Colleen Wing, Damian Wayne, Doctor Mid-Nite, Doctor Strange, Domino, Donna Troy, Drax, Hawkeye, Hercules, Huntress, Katana, Kingpin, Lady Vic, Matsu'o Tsurayaba, Midnighter, Mister America (Tex Thomson), Mister Terrific, Mockingbird, Moon Knight, Night Thrasher, Nightcrawler, Onyx, Psylocke, Punisher, The Question, Revanche, Robin (Tim Drake), Sabretooth, Shadowcat, Shatterstar, Shrike IV (Boone), Speedy (Mia Dearden), Spider-Woman (Jessica Drew), Stacy X, Terry McGinnis, Thor, US Agent, V, Wild Child, Wong

Fourth Tier: (Trained Martial Artists)
Batgirl (Barbara Gordon), Batwoman, Black Cat, Blink, Blue Devil, Boom Boom, Cannonball, Carol Danvers, Catwoman, Colossus, Cyclops, Falcon, Gambit, Hawkgirl, Hawkman, Iron-Man, Jamie Madrox, Jubilee, Misty Knight, Mystique, She-Hulk, Starfire, Storm, Superman, Tarantula, Thing, Zauriel

Accomplished Fighter: (Little formal training/Some Skill)
Apocalypse, Beast, Grace Choi, Hulk, Invisible Woman, Luke Cage, Monet St. Croix, Spider-Man, Strong Guy

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Proposed Top Tier
[Marvel Top Tier]
Daredevil (4): mp, jrodslam, Soljer, CasanoVa
Gorgon (2): jinzin, capt
Black Panther (2): Alfheim, Apolloknight
Nick Fury (1): Spunky
Deadpool (1): Trickster
Cable (1): Martian_Mind

Proposed Changes (Votes For / Votes Against)
[me]
Mantis down to Uber: 2 (me, Soljer) / 0
Champion down to Uber?: 2 (me, MM) /

Additions: Crossbones, Storm Shadow, Matsu'o Tsurayaba
Changes: Daredevil is shaping up to be the next one bumped into top tier.
-Snake-Eyes goes down to top tier: 4 (capt, jinzin, Soljer, me) / 1
-If there's no opposition for Mantis to move down or any more support to move him down, the proposed change will be pass and she'll be moved down in the next update.

Comments:
-Any consensus on whether and where to move Champion?

Jason Blood,Judomaster or Vandal Savage would WTF pwn Canary so hard...

I support moving Champion down. Also, I would support moving Daredevil up to top tier.

Holey smokes!

White Tiger isnt on the list. Am i missing something?

She should be second tier.

Drop Champion down to 2nd tier. He has shown NOTHING to put him on cosmic, uber or even top tier. He got outboxed by She-Hulk, Thing, and Thanos handed him his ass.