Ranks for MAs

Originally posted by Switch 07
But why should someone be replaced when its simple enough just to add.

I still don't understand the reasoning.

For example. Tony Stark and Beast, one have never has to be moved down and one up. If they are actually equal then why swap them. It makes one lower than they should.

No. Tony Stark and beast don't NEED to be switched - as I've already explained, replacement ONLY happens at the top tier. Not at uber, cosmic, second, third, fourth or accomplished.

ONLY top. Because, again, if it didn't happen, we'd have people trying to vote all of second tier to top tier.

Current Hierarchy [173]

Cosmic Tier: (Transcendent Martial Artists) [4]
Gamora, Karate Kid, Mantis, Thanos

Uber Tier: (Unearthly Martial Artists) [7]
Kirigi (DC), Mandarin, Moondragon, O-Sensei, Ogun, Stick, Temugin

Top Tier: ("Greatest Martial Artists"😉 [18]
Batgirl (Cassandra Cain), Batman, Black Canary, Bronze Tiger, Captain America, Connor Hawke, Constantine Drakon, Daredevil, Elektra, Iron Fist, Lady Shiva, Richard Dragon, Shang Chi, Shen Kuei (The Cat), Snake-Eyes, Storm Shadow, Taskmaster, Wolverine

Second Tier: (Master Martial Artists) [52]
Adam Warlock, Agent X, Azrael, Backlash, Black Panther, Black Widow, Bullseye, Cable, Captain Mar-Vell, Champion of the Universe, Cheshire, Crossbones, Daken, David Cain, Deadpool, Deathstroke, Donatello, Echo, Eric Killmonger, Gorgon (Tomi Shishido), Green Arrow, Grifter, Jason Blood, Judomaster (Hadley Jagger), Karnak, Lady Deathstrike, Leonardo, Merlyn (DC), Michaelangelo, Midnight Sun, Mr Sensitive, Natas, Nick Fury, Nightwing, Prometheus, Puck, Ra's al Ghul, Raphael, Ravager, Red Hood, Red Skull, Silver Samurai, Steel Serpent, Stone, Talia al Ghul, Twelve Brothers in Silk, White Tiger (Angela del Toro), Wildcat (Ted Grant), Winter Soldier, Wonder Woman, Vandal Savage, X-23

Third Tier: (Highly Skilled Martial Artists) [55]
Ares, Arsenal, Bane, Beta Ray Bill, Black Bolt, Black Knight (Dane Whitman), Blade, Blue Beetle (Ted Kord), Colleen Wing, Damian Wayne, Doctor Mid-Nite, Doctor Strange, Domino, Donna Troy, Drax, Grendel (Hunter Rose), Hawkeye, Hercules, Huntress, Katana, KGBeast, Kingpin, Lady Vic, Loki, Matsu'o Tsurayaba, Midnighter, Mister America (Tex Thomson), Mister Terrific, Mockingbird, Moon Knight, Namor, Night Thrasher, Nightcrawler, Omega Red, Onyx, Psylocke, Punisher, The Question, Revanche, Robin (Tim Drake), Sabretooth, Shadowcat, Shatterstar, Shrike IV (Boone), Speedy (Mia Dearden), Spider-Woman (Jessica Drew), Stacy X, Terry McGinnis, Thena, Thor, US Agent, V, Viper (Madame Hydra), Wild Child, Wong

Fourth Tier: (Trained Martial Artists) [27]
Batgirl (Barbara Gordon), Batwoman, Black Cat, Blink, Blue Devil, Boom Boom, Cannonball, Carol Danvers, Catwoman, Colossus, Cyclops, Falcon, Gambit, Hawkgirl, Hawkman, Iron-Man, Jamie Madrox, Jubilee, Misty Knight, Mystique, She-Hulk, Starfire, Storm, Superman, Tarantula, Thing, Zauriel

Accomplished Fighter: (Little formal training/Some Skill) [9]
Apocalypse, Beast, Grace Choi, Hulk, Invisible Woman, Luke Cage, Monet St. Croix, Spider-Man, Strong Guy

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Proposed Changes (Votes For / Votes Against)
Hawkman to Third: 3 [Mungi, Srank, The Fake Macoy] / 0
Mystique to Third: 1 [Smurph] / 1 [Srank]
Domino to Second: 2 [Smurph, jrodslam] / 1 [srank]
Ares to second tier: 2 [TP, llagrok] / 1 [capt]
Mar-Vell to uber: 1 [bran] / 1 [srank]
Warlock to uber: 2 [bran, ll] / 1 [srank]
Mantis down to uber: 3 [Soljer, Xmarks, Srank] / 1 [bran]
Kingpin to second: 2 [jrod, srank] / 3 [capt, llag, Macoy]
Gamora to Uber: 2 [srank, Soljer] / 0
Thanos to Uber(lower?): 2 [srank, Soljer] / 0
Beast to Forth: 1 [Blair] / 0
Iron Man to accomplished 1 [blair] / 0

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Additions:
KGBeast to third.

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Notes:

Originally posted by Switch 07
But why should someone be replaced when its simple enough just to add.

I still don't understand the reasoning.

For example. Tony Stark and Beast, one have never has to be moved down and one up. If they are actually equal then why swap them. It makes one lower than they should.

Its a hierarchy thing. If you think Black Panther is first tier... but you can't make a case for him being more skilled then anyone on the list then everyone can safely say that Daredevil is more skilled then he is. But if everyone gets moved up to first tier things become murky.

Originally posted by Switch 07
For example. Tony Stark and Beast, one have never has to be moved down and one up. If they are actually equal then why swap them. It makes one lower than they should.

No, I said that because I personally believe each deserves to be moved. Tony sucks when it comes to MA and only knows a little. Beast on the other hand knows much more 😬

Originally posted by Blair Wind
No, I said that because I personally believe each deserves to be moved. Tony sucks when it comes to MA and only knows a little. Beast on the other hand knows much more (being an X-man and all), and that his primary power is a physical manifestation of a "superior" human body. It makes him NEED to learn how to fight better than Tony who just needs to rely on his armor.

That was an example when I said it. I didn't even take notice of it really.

Soljer requested that I update the page 1 list. I'll change it to the one he posted above, but this won't be a regular thing like the tiers thread, since it's far more niche-related. If there's considerable changes, PM me every few months or so.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Its a hierarchy thing. If you think Black Panther is first tier... but you can't make a case for him being more skilled then anyone on the list then everyone can safely say that Daredevil is more skilled then he is. But if everyone gets moved up to first tier things become murky.

Exactly. A case could be made for Adam Warlock, Black Panther, Black Widow, Bullseye, Cable, Captain Mar-Vell, Champion of the Universe, Crossbones, Daken, David Cain, Deadpool, Deathstroke, Echo, Killmonger, Gorgon, Green Arrow, Grifter, Karnak, Midnight Sun, Nick Fury, Nightwing, Prometheus, Puck, Ra's al Ghul, Red Hood, Red Skull, Silver Samurai, Steel Serpent, Twelve Brothers in Silk, White Tiger, Winter Soldier, Wonder Woman, and Vandal Savage ALL being top tiers.

Murky indeed. Especially considering if, say, Daredevil moves up, people want to bump up Bullseye as well - things like that just kinda snowball.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Soljer requested that I update the page 1 list. I'll change it to the one he posted above, but this won't be a regular thing like the tiers thread, since it's far more niche-related. If there's considerable changes, PM me every few months or so.

Thank you much, Digi.

Question: If the turtles are being used, and if GI Joe characters are being used, could the Street Fighter guys (who have ongoing comics) be used?

You make interesting points. I concede with the rules bit. 👆

But TBH is DD even that skilled in MA? Its his agility that make him the fight isn't it?

He hardly uses boxing.

*Votes against SF being on list*

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Question: If the turtles are being used, and if GI Joe characters are being used, why haven't the street fighter guys (who have ongoing comics) been used yet?

Aside from the 12 (around that) issue DDP run. Street Fighter has mostly been a published in manga format... even the DDP/Image run was drawn by UDON in a manga style. If we open the door to manga characters, the list will get flooded in no time flat.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Aside from the 12 (around that) issue DDP run. Street Fighter has mostly been a published in manga format... even the DDP/Image run was drawn by UDON in a manga style. If we open the door to manga characters, the list will get flooded in no time flat.

Eh, just the first thing I thought of when I say the other guys being named. Doesnt really matter to me one way or another.

Zealot needs to be added to the list. Top tier if we aren't counting Wildstorm Characters as DC, 2nd if we are.

I know its already been decided, but i really think Echo replacing Taskmaster should be considered.

When she was Ronin, people were mistaking her for Iron Fist, Daredevil, Captain America and Nick Fury. Also, She did pretty well against Daredevil(slightly beter than Taskmaster has ever done imo), and Stalemated a Wolverine(who is rated as top tier) when she didnt eat or drink for 3 days. When Cap was trying to recruit DD to the Avengers, Matt even told Cap that shes(not actually saying "she"😉 as good as Matt himself. Also, Echo is a smarter fighter than Taskmaster is.

If its really going to stay as it is, ill have to accept it, but i just think those things have to be considered.

Cyclops has stalemated Wolverine :/

Not a big feat.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Zealot needs to be added to the list. Top tier if we aren't counting Wildstorm Characters as DC, 2nd if we are.

No doubt about it.

Thousands of years experience using it.

Wildstorm separate I say.

Also Magnus remember.

Originally posted by llagrok
Cyclops has stalemated Wolverine :/

Not a big feat.

It would be if Cyke didnt eat or drink for 3 days. 😬

It wasn't really a fight. Echo attacked Wolverine going full tilt. He tried to talk her down but she "could only see his breath." She kept attacking him until he said nuts to this a popped his claws... and that was it.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
It wasn't really a fight. Echo attacked Wolverine going full tilt. He tried to talk her down but she "could only see his breath." She kept attacking him until he said nuts to this a popped his claws... and that was it.

also cyclopes..........stalemated logan in h2h is completely inaccurate. al he did was judo throw logan.