Ranks for MAs

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Errr...she's a very skilled martial artist, and those are examples to show Black Cat is to counter your point about her being "nothing special"

Originally posted by King_Mungi
I'll remember that

Errrr...not much? Look at the Moon Knight respect thread, I could drop the whole thread here, but that doesn't mean people will actually read the scans [as shown already]. He has done many things to justify a position change.

Errr...there are a lot of people in the tiers, who don't have many feats, but were moved around no problem. Also when has Hercules, Wildcat, Beta Ray Bill, Thor etc. showed any level of martial arts training? Neither am I, hence why I said Moon Knight has done OTHER things other then the Nick Fury to support a bump.

Errr... I was referring to all the ones he's supposed to have impressively match with martial skill. I don't plan to argue Wildcat or Bill, because I don't know them well enough to cite feats without research.

And Nick Fury was just an example. What seems to be the case is we're taking every single high showing that Moon Knight possesses, judging him soley on that, and therefore deciding that he's second tier.

On a side note, to address a previous post... why would you think Moon Knight is superior to Domino in H2H? Just curious.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
and yet she is still third tier, and yet she used her skill to beat Sabretooth and Spider-Man 😬

Originally posted by SmurphSmash!
Meh... she's a mediocre martial artist, with decent agility.

You just keep smacking it man. 😮‍💨 If anybody makes a valid point just deny it. 👆

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
You just keep smacking it man. 😮‍💨 If anybody makes a valid point just deny it. 👆

If you manage to come up with a post that makes an actual point and isn't entirely founded by your own sheer ineptitude, or dedicated to your infatuation with swinging off the balls of other posters who managed to actually come up with an argument to support your previously groundless beliefs, then I'll respond.

Until then... I'll just say that 3rd tier is basically, in comics, isn't anything to write home about. And Moon Knight, IMO, maybe the cream of the 3rd tier crop, but he's still 3rd tier.

Originally posted by SmurphSmash!
I'll make you a deal.

If you manage to come up with a post that makes an actual point and isn't entirely founded by your own sheer ineptitude, or dedicated to your infatuation with swinging off the balls of other posters who managed to actually come up with an argument to support your previously groundless beliefs, then I'll respond.

Until then... I'll just say that 3rd tier is basically, in comics, isn't anything to write home about. And Moon Knight, IMO, maybe the cream of the 3rd tier crop, but he's still 3rd tier.

Smurph FTW ! 🤘

Originally posted by SmurphSmash!
I'll make you a deal.

If you manage to come up with a post that makes an actual point and isn't entirely founded by your own sheer ineptitude, or dedicated to your infatuation with swinging off the balls of other posters who managed to actually come up with an argument to support your previously groundless beliefs, then I'll respond.

Until then... I'll just say that 3rd tier is basically, in comics, isn't anything to write home about. And Moon Knight, IMO, maybe the cream of the 3rd tier crop, but he's still 3rd tier.

lmao Read the scans Mungi Posted.

1. Its show MK pawning US Agent, Wild Child and Wolverine.
2. Pawning Black Cat
3. Beating Commodre a guy who IF barely beat.
4. Furthermore in my post I stated that he has good showing against Spiderman.

...and you're asking me to post evidence. 😐

Originally posted by SmurphSmash!
Meh... she's a mediocre martial artist, with decent agility.

Wrong, also question why did you bring up some of MK's battles were not hand to hand as a means to diminish what he has done, but then used Nick Fury using Cap's shield to elevate him?

Originally posted by SmurphSmash!

I've looked at what you've posted so far. It's not much on what most second tiers have.

Errr... I was referring to all the ones he's supposed to have impressively match with martial skill. I don't plan to argue Wildcat or Bill, because I don't know them well enough to cite feats without research.

And Nick Fury was just an example. What seems to be the case is we're taking every single high showing that Moon Knight possesses, judging him soley on that, and therefore deciding that he's second tier.

On a side note, to address a previous post... why would you think Moon Knight is superior to Domino in H2H? Just curious.

Ummm...lulz, are you kidding me? that alone justifies a bump, and I suggest you read the respect thread then 😬

They have NEVER demonstrated martial arts skills, Wildcat is the former heavy-weight boxer of the world and got owned recently hand to hand by Tigress...yet Hawkgirl has owned her several times hand to hand and she is at the bottom of these rankings.

Awesome that's great, but Moon Knight on average is still a beast. Errr...one scan of Mr.Sensitive was posted using pressure points on Tony Stark...was that enough for a bump?

Because he has beaten people better then her, honesty what has she done? Also was it you that argued Mr.Sensitive as second tier?

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Wrong, also question why did you bring up some of MK's battles were not hand to hand as a means to diminish what he has done, but then used Nick Fury using Cap's shield to elevate him?

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Ummm...lulz, are you kidding me? that alone justifies a bump, and I suggest you read the respect thread then 😬

They have NEVER demonstrated martial arts skills, Wildcat is the former heavy-weight boxer of the world and got owned recently hand to hand by Tigress...yet Hawkgirl has owned her several times hand to hand and she is at the bottom of these rankings.

Awesome that's great, but Moon Knight on average is still a beast. Errr...one scan of Mr.Sensitive was posted using pressure points on Tony Stark...was that enough for a bump?

Because he has beaten people better then her, honesty what has she done? Also was it you that argued Mr.Sensitive as second tier?

Moon Knight's looked average against the Punisher, and has had some embarrassingly low showings. He's had a couple good ones against second tiers, but is only on their level if we only take his top feats into account. And even that is iffy.

And, again, I really couldn't care less about Wildcat.

As for Mr. Sensitive, all I did was ask whether him being able to manipulate any organ of the body upon a strike on the opponent should count as a martial feat for this thread... as I recall, in the end, it was decided that it should not. If Mr. Sensitive gets moved down, I don't care.

Originally posted by SmurphSmash!
Lulz... it was a martial feat... I've never seen anyone else kick back Cap's shield when it's thrown at them.

Not really 😬 so you will accept one weapon useage, but dismiss when Moon Knight does it? Moon KSeems that's the norm in this thread..hey Moon Knight beat such and such...naaa, it was PIS, and their not very special.

Originally posted by SmurphSmash!

If his best feat is the Nick Fury one, and is worst is losing to a guy who only had fight training from when he was in Vietnam... well, that's not much on what most second tiers have.

Moon Knight's looked average against the Punisher, and has had some embarrassingly low showings. He's had a couple good ones against second tiers, but is only on their level if we only take his top feats into account. And even that is iffy.

As for Mr. Sensitive, all I did was ask whether him being able to manipulate any organ of the body upon a strike on the opponent should count as a martial feat for this thread... as I recall, in the end, it was decided that it should not. If Mr. Sensitive gets moved down, I don't care.

No, Nick Fury isn't his best feat and who did he lose to that only fought in Vietnam? who are you talking about? Bushman? as he has owned him every time they fought 😬

Punisher himself has taken it to the elite 😬 Bad showings against who? Shall I bring up the bad showings of Captain America getting man handled by a guy who was just big? He had no super powers, and was not a skilled martial artist. Look at the respect thread, look at all what he has done...he has so many amazing showings, far more then your giving him credit for 😬

Awesome...because Moon Knight has done that to his brother and even nearly paralyzed him and he was invulnerable. Like I mentioned several times MK is an expert using pressre points and has ko'ed multiple people using this tactic

Laying this to rest now. I'm not going to bother continuing to debate... Mungi's made up his mind, clearly.

I don't care enough to drag it out. People can vote how they choose, but I think that Moon Knight's showings against guy from 'Nam (first arc), Punisher, when he lost in H2H to the Black Knight, etc. should really balance out with his nice feats for 3rd tier.

Originally posted by SmurphSmash!
Laying this to rest now. I'm not going to bother continuing to debate... Mungi's made up his mind, clearly.

I don't care enough to drag it out. People can vote how they choose, but I think that Moon Knight's showings against guy from 'Nam (first arc), Punisher, when he lost in H2H to the Black Knight, etc. should really balance out with his nice feats for 3rd tier.

Lulz

Who did he lose to in Nam? Punisher himself has taken it to the elite, and ummm....he beat Black Knight. So three showings, which I doubt you know the context behind outway countless others? Waka waka waka

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Lulz

which I doubt you know the context behind

As I said, I'm leaving this be. For two reasons:

1. I really, really don't want to have to dig out scans.
2. I was beginning to feel some hostility from you, and I'm not about to start returning it.

So like I asked a few times now, who did he lose to in Nam or just fought in Nam? I don't need the scans, tell me who it is

Originally posted by King_Mungi
So like I asked a few times now, who did he lose to in Nam or just fought in Nam? I don't need the scans, tell me who it is

Don't know his name, so I did a quick KMC search, and this is what I found...

Originally posted by The Fake Macoy
I'm a big fan of Moon Knight, and I've read pretty much every issue in his various series, but he hasn't done anything to really put him on DD's level. I mean, in his first run, which was the best IMO, he lost H2H against a guy who only have basic training from fighting in Viet Nam.

You could say better than I could what power ups and such he's had since, but... it's just another low showing.

So like I said you don't know the context behind it? 😬 and I did the respect thread and I don't recall what he is talking about. Bushman? Black Spectre?

Originally posted by King_Mungi
So like I said you don't know the context behind it? 😬 and I did the respect thread and I don't recall what he is talking about. Bushman? Black Spectre?

As I said, I'm not willing to find the instance right now. If you're on a mission to disprove it, do so yourself.

But, I don't pretend to know every nook and cranny of MK's showings. But he's been stalemated by 3rd tiers in the past, and his best is showing up a couple 2nd tiers. But those 2nd tiers have done the same thing to top tiers, and so it leads me to believe that their average > MK's.

Though, again, I really don't know about Wildcat.

I can talk about who I do know about though.

We could start with Domino. What leads you to believe his showings > hers?

Just tell me what happned in the fight then, what did the person look like? where did they fight? etc. I'm actually trying to figure out what your talking about 😬

Punisher is really the only third tier that has stalemated him, but he has stalemated the elite himself so not sure how that's a bad thing at all.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Just tell me what happned in the fight then, what did the person look like? where did they fight? etc. I'm actually trying to figure out what your talking about 😬

As a reference, it was around the time when he fought Daredevil in a place that was messing with his radar...

Lulz... Mungi and I solved it over PM.

It, I believe, was Black Spectre, but Mungi's already covered how any wins BS had, MK quickly retributed.

Not that I'd but Spectre at 2nd tier, but eh. He knows better than I do.

Anyways, I'm still not convinced, and my Domino question was never answered. ha-son

Respect threads don't generally give a cross section of ability... I would assume that mediocre or low showings aren't in Moon Knight's just as getting knocked out by a sniper bullet isn't in Thor's.

Mungi, really, you've done the part of advocate admirably but I think it's time to leave it to a vote.

I'll need to look back to tally votes so far.

Also epic fail, Alfheim. That is all.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
You just keep smacking it man. 😮‍💨 If anybody makes a valid point just deny it. 👆

Moron.