Ranks for MAs

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well what have you got there you got him fighting thugs and what not and Shang Chi saying that MK is good. Hell Shang has stomped Nick and Dugan in H2H before so what does that prove ABC logic my friend. 👆

Well Frank Castle was going to H2H with a pissed off MK and apparently he didnt show any skill, irritating isnt it? 👆

Those are just the intro post about Moon Knight in the respect thread. Lulz...I get it now your just being diffucult, as people even earlier showed the exact same stuff I did and the character got a bump

Didn't show any skill? what are you talking about?

Moon Knight
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Battles
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Punisher
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Moon Knight #20 [Vol.3]
The duo have a very brief confrontation, nothing really comes out of it

1. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/ms_-_moon_knight_v3_020_p01.jpg
2. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/ms_-_moon_knight_v3_020_p02.jpg
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Moon Knight #21 [Vol.3]
Now Moon Knight is pissed, Punisher makes a remark about his dead partner and causes MK to snap. It’s broken up once again by Spider-Man

1. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/ms_-_moon_knight_v3_021_p09.jpg
2. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/ms_-_moon_knight_v3_021_p10.jpg
3. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/ms_-_moon_knight_v3_021_p11.jpg
4. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/ms_-_moon_knight_v3_021_p12.jpg
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Moon Knight #36 [Vol.3]
The duo briefly clashes once again as both want a shot at Moon Knight’s brother. Well it ends in a stalemate, but MK left him weaponless

1. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/ms_-_moon_knight_v3_036_p04.jpg
2. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/ms_-_moon_knight_v3_036_p06.jpg
3. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/ms_-_moon_knight_v3_036_p07.jpg
4. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/ms_-_moon_knight_v3_036_p08.jpg
5. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/ms_-_moon_knight_v3_036_p09.jpg
6. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/ms_-_moon_knight_v3_036_p10.jpg
7. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/ms_-_moon_knight_v3_036_p11.jpg
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Punisher Annual #2
Punisher has been infected with a chemical that turns them into a snake-human hybrid giving them augmented strength and stamina. Moon Knight actually causes Punisher to have an epileptic stroke.

1. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/ThePunisher-Annual02-1989-AtlantisA.jpg
2. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/ThePunisher-Annual02-1989-Atlant-1.jpg
3. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/ThePunisher-Annual02-1989-Atlant-2.jpg

Im just messin with you, you make a good case.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Im just messin with you, you make a good case.

CURSES...well you got me

Originally posted by King_Mungi
CURSES...well you got me

😂 I should have kept it going.

Against Moon Knight to second.

Originally posted by SmurphSmash!
Against Moon Knight to second.

Reasons? 😬

Like Wildcat and White Tiger are second tier for crying out loud

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Reasons? 😬

Like Wildcat and White Tiger are second tier for crying out loud

Closer to the opposite in second tier.

Originally posted by SmurphSmash!
There are some in third rather close in skill to MK, IMO.

Closer to the opposite in second tier.

Not really as Moon Knight has taken it and beaten people more in the second tier then stuggled against people in the third 😬

Endulge me what has White Tiger done? As some of the people in second tier should not be second tier. Like Wildcat a 2nd tier martial artist? Come on

Adam Warlock, Black Panther, Black Widow, Bullseye, Cable, Captain Mar-Vell, Champion of the Universe, Crossbones, Daken, Deadpool, Deathstroke, Donatello, Gorgon (Tomi Shishido), Green Arrow, Grifter, Karnak, Leonardo, Michaelangelo, Midnight Sun, Mr Sensitive, Natas, Nick Fury, Nightwing, Prometheus, Ra's al Ghul, Raphael, Ravager, Red Hood, Red Skull, Steel Serpent, Stone, Talia al Ghul, Winter Soldier, Wonder Woman, X-23

All the people in second tier with, IMO, superior skills.

Domino as well, as she's been put in there but the edit to the front page hasn't occurred.

Originally posted by SmurphSmash!
Adam Warlock, Black Panther, Black Widow, Bullseye, Cable, Captain Mar-Vell, Champion of the Universe, Crossbones, Daken, Deadpool, Deathstroke, Donatello, Gorgon (Tomi Shishido), Green Arrow, Grifter, Karnak, Leonardo, Michaelangelo, Midnight Sun, Mr Sensitive, Natas, Nick Fury, Nightwing, Prometheus, Ra's al Ghul, Raphael, Ravager, Red Hood, Red Skull, Steel Serpent, Stone, Talia al Ghul, Winter Soldier, Wonder Woman, X-23

All the people in second tier with, IMO, superior skills.

Domino as well, as she's been put in there but the edit to the front page hasn't occurred.

Actually a lot of those arn't, some definetly yes. However, to be in the second tier you don't have to beat everyone in the tier. Also Moon Knight already practically handed Nick Fury his ass 😬

Domino has luck works, which cause many fighters to do poorly. Hell Shamrock beat Captain America that doesn't make her more skilled

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Actually a lot of those arn't, some definetly yes. However, to be in the second tier you don't have to beat everyone in the tier. Also Moon Knight already practically handed Nick Fury his ass 😬

Domino has luck works, which cause many fighters to do poorly. Hell Shamrock beat Captain America that doesn't make her more skilled

Domino's been stated multiple times to be Cable's superior in hand to hand, and has still done fine even when she's depowered, or when she's acxtually hindered to be worse than powerless.

Originally posted by SmurphSmash!
I've seen the Nick Fury fight... meh. Low showing for Nick. He's done much, much better in the past. And no, you don't have to beat everyone, but it seems clear that quite a majority holds the obvious edge over Moon Knight.

Domino's been stated multiple times to be Cable's superior in hand to hand, and has still done fine even when she's depowered, or when she's acxtually hindered to be worse than powerless.

Oooooh...so it is an automatic low showing for Nick? Bull. No they really don't, man your not giving Moon Knight much credit, he is a master at using pressure points, was a "solider of fortune, mercenary, veteran of three American wars, 5 South American revolutions, involvement with the C.I.A. weapon expert. He’s versatile in all martial arts including savate and hopkido, ex-prizefighter and was a marine commander", and was said to have "mastered virtually every weapon devised by man"

Moon Knight
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Battles
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Commodore Donny Planet
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Moon Knight #24 [Vol.1
Moon Knight takes on the superhumanly strong and very skilled fighter Commodore and wins

1. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/LMoonKnight26-26.jpg
2. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/LMoonKnight26-27.jpg
3. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/LMoonKnight26-28.jpg
4. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/LMoonKnight26-29.jpg

Iron Fist and Powerman also fight the Commodore in Powerman & Iron Fist #87. Even Iron Fist admitted he got lucky when he beat him, and a punch from Commodore sends Cage through a building wall

1. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/PowerManIronFist087-14.jpg
2. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/PowerManIronFist087-15.jpg
3. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/PowerManIronFist087-16.jpg
4. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/PowerManIronFist087-18.jpg
5. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/PowerManIronFist087-23.jpg

and what has Cable done that is impressive hand to hand?

I still vote MK to stay at 3rd tier, as for him beating Nick? Fury should be moved down to 3rd and not MK up. As it is I never saw anything from Fury to say he's a master at MA's

Originally posted by Endrict Nuul
I still vote MK to stay at 3rd tier, as for him beating Nick? Fury should be moved down to 3rd and not MK up. As it is I never saw anything from Fury to say he's a master at MA's

Nick Fury moved down? Lulz at this thread....He has stalemated and gotten the better of Cap a few times.

He is even stated to be one of the best fighters on the planet 😕 Handbooks *shudder* give him a 6/7 in fighting skills

Meh Stacy X stalemated Wolverine once... that doesn't automatically bump her to second or top tier.

That White Tiger or Wildcat should not be second tier does not mean that Moon Knight necessarily should be.

Updated proposed changes.
Jubilee to third 2 [Smurph, Cresh] / 2 [llag, Nataku]
Kingpin to second: 5 [V, jrod, srank, capt, Accel] / 6 [Me, Soljer, llag, Macoy, Smurph, Nataku]
Moon Knight to second: 4 [llagrok, Fake McCoy, Alfheim, Mungi] / 4 [capt, endrict, Soljer, Smurph (the non-douche one)]
Midnighter to second: 1 [Soljer] / 1 [endrict]
Blade to second: 2 [endrict, Darth Martin] / 1 [llagrok]

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Meh Stacy X stalemated Wolverine once... that doesn't automatically bump her to second or top tier.

That White Tiger or Wildcat should not be second tier does not mean that Moon Knight necessarily should be.

Uuuuhh...your acting like it's his only feat, Moon Knight has other feats not just one that back up his skill 😬

It's a comment about the tier system has faults, and Moon Knight has shown to match and beat people in the second tier. So I honestly do not get some of the people's comments here

Well obviously the tiers are not perfect as they are - the list being dynamic - I don't think anyone ever claimed it was. Nor will it ever be really.

But picking a couple of people from the second tier and saying they are undeservedly high does not make an argument for moving Moon Knight up, because the list is dynamic and those people can be moved down... just continue arguing for it until there's a clear mandate to move or not to move.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
But picking a couple of people from the second tier and saying they are undeservedly high does not make an argument for moving Moon Knight up, because the list is dynamic and those people can be moved down... just continue arguing for it until there's a clear mandate to move or not to move.

I picked those people as Moon Knight has fought them before, he definetly is more skilled then several of the people in the second tier and has the feats to back it up 😬 So Nick Fury being moved down because he lost to Moon Knight is justified?

I haven't voted and generally don't vote too often anyway, so convincing me isn't really that fruitful...

Although out of curiosity how many of the ~60 characters in the second tier would you consider Moon Knight to be equal to or superior than?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Although out of curiosity how many of the ~60 characters in the second tier would you consider Moon Knight to be equal to or superior than?

I don't know the exact amount, but I would properly give the nod above Wildcat, White Tiger, Mr.Sensitive, Chesire, Cable, Domino, Echo, Green Arrow [Oliver Queen], Nomad, Backlash [if it's the one I'm thinking of] and he could stalemate a great deal more.

Here's Moon Knight against a few of his third tier chums

Moon Knight
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Battles
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Black Cat
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Moon Knight #5 [Vol.3
The duo briefly clash, but it clearly shows MK is the vast superior

1. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/marcspectormoonknight_v3_5_2.jpg
2. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/marcspectormoonknight_v3_5_3.jpg
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Black Knight
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West Coast Avengers Annual #2
Here Moon Knight beats BK using his smarts and skill

1. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/wcaa02-34.jpg
2. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/wcaa02-35.jpg
3. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/wcaa02-36.jpg
4. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/wcaa02-37.jpg
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Punisher
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Moon Knight #20 [Vol.3]
The duo have a very brief confrontation, nothing really comes out of it

1. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/ms_-_moon_knight_v3_020_p01.jpg
2. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/ms_-_moon_knight_v3_020_p02.jpg
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Moon Knight #21 [Vol.3]
Now Moon Knight is pissed, Punisher makes a remark about his dead partner and causes MK to snap. It’s broken up once again by Spider-Man

1. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/ms_-_moon_knight_v3_021_p09.jpg
2. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/ms_-_moon_knight_v3_021_p10.jpg
3. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/ms_-_moon_knight_v3_021_p11.jpg
4. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/ms_-_moon_knight_v3_021_p12.jpg
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Moon Knight #36 [Vol.3]
The duo briefly clashes once again as both want a shot at Moon Knight’s brother. Well it ends in a stalemate, but MK left him weaponless

1. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/ms_-_moon_knight_v3_036_p04.jpg
2. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/ms_-_moon_knight_v3_036_p06.jpg
3. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/ms_-_moon_knight_v3_036_p07.jpg
4. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/ms_-_moon_knight_v3_036_p08.jpg
5. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/ms_-_moon_knight_v3_036_p09.jpg
6. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/ms_-_moon_knight_v3_036_p10.jpg
7. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/ms_-_moon_knight_v3_036_p11.jpg
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Punisher Annual #2
Punisher has been infected with a chemical that turns them into a snake-human hybrid giving them augmented strength and stamina. Moon Knight actually causes Punisher to have an epileptic stroke.

1. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/ThePunisher-Annual02-1989-AtlantisA.jpg
2. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/ThePunisher-Annual02-1989-Atlant-1.jpg
3. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/ThePunisher-Annual02-1989-Atlant-2.jpg
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Marvel Heroes
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Moon Knight #41 [Vol.3]
HUGE HUGE HUGE feat, here Moon Knight takes on Thing, Strong Guy, Hulk, Weapon Omega (Wild Child), US Agent, Gambit, Nova, Iron Man, She Hulk, Mr.Fantastic, Wolverine, Psylocke and various others and he gets the better of them all. Very impressive

1. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/marcspectormoonknightv3_041_05.jpg
2. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/marcspectormoonknightv3_041_06.jpg
3. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/marcspectormoonknightv3_041_07.jpg
4. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/marcspectormoonknightv3_041_08.jpg
5. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/marcspectormoonknightv3_041_09.jpg
6. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/marcspectormoonknightv3_041_10.jpg
7. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/marcspectormoonknightv3_041_11.jpg
8. http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/marcspectormoonknightv3_041_12.jpg