Jedi Exile vs Ulic Qel Droma

Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
Uh yeah it is, after she's battled all that she fights Sion who himself is capable of fighting Jedi Masters and beats him 5 times.

Traya hasn't shown anything? How about when she blew away 10 Sith Assassins with the wave of her hand, making Sion bow to her, she's obviously been holding back.

She's performed the technique Jacen failed to do, when she successfully dug through Attons mind without killing him (it should be noted that Atton has had specific training to prevent this) She's hardly just some average Sith.

Oh you mean she drained all of the assassins? Yes she has her technique and while she's very knowledgable in the force, I have yet to see anything that makes her seem uber powerful.

No, she used a force wave. You hardly seem to be the authority on KOTOR 2.

Wonderful, she has incredible TK powers. Exar Kun was known to do the exact same thing.

And that defeats my point how? She has skills on the level of Exar Kun...she must suck ass Note the sarcasm.

Oh you mean after she formed the bond with the exile she was able to cloak herself and cut herself from the force? Any evidence she could do this before she bonded with the exile?

What are you talking about? When does the bond allow her to cut herself off from the force?

Please quantify how powerful these jedi Masters were, because they didn't seem to be better than average.

Kreia comments on their power and how she could feel it from across the galaxy. Her comments were to the affect of, "I can't allow such powerful masters to remain alive." its on Dantooine after she kills them.

So she did a technique better than Jacen, that makes her uber powerful? Hardly a compelling argument.

COnsidering you used the same one for Revan, it is. Lets get this straight I'm not claiming Kreia was some god who would contend with DN Luke all I'm saying is she isn't some bum like your making her out to be.

This is a pretty close match. I would normally give this to Ulic, though I tend to be biased against The Exile cause I don't much care for her.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy

Good god, this is just like the Revan thread, your argument is dead. Saying that Kun was an average man who lucked out by being a force sensitive can apply to every force sensitive in the SW galaxy, dumbass. That was probably the dumbest statement ever made on this forum, and after that I don't think I need to continue arguing with you, you're beyond help.

I was using your rather pathetic reasoning and applying it to Kun, which - as your little neolithic mind deduced - would apply to all force sensitives.

Should we get back to square one with this? Or has your little brain finally processed the point I was making?

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
More impressive? Kun's knowledge learned under Freedon Nadd and learning everything from Naga Sadow's teachings as opposed to Nihilus and Kreia who learned what, one maneuver on Malachor V? Nihilus didn't know more than one technique unless you count the basics, so you have yet another baseless assumption. Thanks for your opinion but without facts and logic(two things you fail to possess), you are wasting your time.

You've said Nihilus only knew one technique and attempted to pass that off as some validation for your argument that Nihilus isn't stronger than Kun in the force. Let me put things in perspective for you.

1)Nihilus used the force to lift his in operational flag ship of off Malachor.

2)He used what Kreia described as an unstoppable force technique to incapacitate her on Malachor

3)He quite clearly and easily chokes Visas on the Ravager.

4)Let's not forget that he uses the force to keep his battered ship operational, even while large parts of its hull are breached.

5) Finally, he used the force to bind his life essence to his armor.

One technique (besides the basics ) huh?

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Wiser yes, knowledgable yes, more experienced yes, stronger? No. Yoda was also all of those things and more but could not defeat Sidious, so your point is moot, as always. This is beginning to look just like the Revan thread in which you were so horribly wtfpwned.

I was talking about Kreia in terms of being a more complete force practitioner. In terms of knowledge, intelligence, resourcefulness Kreia is leagues above Kun, and it's hardly a moot point if you're trying to make a case for Kun being a better Sith.

And as far as strength in the force is concerned, Kun's top tier feats were mostly accomplished using Sith amulets. I would like to see Kreia use a few amulets herself before I make a comparison on their force abilities. Killing three Jedi Masters in a moment with one application of the force, certainly speaks volumes about Kreia's prowess in this department.

How old are you? You seem to think that merely claiming that you've "pwned" someone, makes it so. Go back to that thread and do an overview of the exchanges we had, you'll find that many of your points were lacking.

Let's not forget also, that the Trayus academy contained a large library of Sith holocrons, so Kreia would have learned from many Sith (especially when you consider she already had great knowledge of the Sith as a Jedi historian).

And why is it that you rarely get such simple points Darthsexy, am I to believe that you're really that thick?

Originally posted by Allankles
You've said Nihilus only knew one technique and attempted to pass that off as some validation for your argument that Nihilus isn't stronger than Kun in the force. Let me put things in perspective for you.

1)Nihilus used the force to lift his in operational flag ship of off Malachor.

2)He used what Kreia described as an unstoppable force technique to incapacitate her on Malachor

3)He quite clearly and easily chokes Visas on the Ravager.

4)Let's not forget that he uses the force to keep his battered ship operational, even while large parts of its hull are breached.

5) Finally, he used the force to bind his life essence to his armor.

One technique (besides the basics ) huh?

I was talking about Kreia in terms of being a more complete force practitioner. In terms of knowledge, intelligence, resourcefulness Kreia is leagues above Kun, and it's hardly a moot point if you're trying to make a case for Kun being a better Sith.

And as far as strength in the force is concerned, Kun's top tier feats were mostly accomplished using Sith amulets. I would like to see Kreia use a few amulets herself before I make a comparison on their force abilities. Killing three Jedi Masters in a moment with one application of the force, certainly speaks volumes about Kreia's prowess in this department.

How old are you? You seem to think that merely claiming that you've "pwned" someone, makes it so. Go back to that thread and do an overview of the exchanges we had, you'll find that many of your points were lacking.

Let's not forget also, that the Trayus academy contained a large library of Sith holocrons, so Kreia would have learned from many Sith (especially when you consider she already had great knowledge of the Sith as a Jedi historian). [/B]

Originally posted by Darth Sexy

Except nothing to suggest Kreia found all the underground cities that Revan found, and Revan pillaged Malachor V, so thanks for yet another pitiful argument.

And nothing suggest that she didn't, besides one out of universe reference in the largely inconsistent chronicles. Trayus academy remained - as of Kotor 2 - an ancient Sith centre of learning and knowledge. Weak argument as always, a good debater wouldn't use this in their argument, as it's quite irrelevant (considering Kreia's considerable knowledge).

There's also nothing basic about controlling the internal atmosphere of a ship that has large parts of it's hull destroyed. Nothing basic about using TK to lift a cruiser the size of the Ravager. Nothing basic about binding your life essence to your armor.

Nothing basic about using TK as a potent offensive weapon against a Sith as powerful as Kreia (you have to be a considerable force user to do that), and there's nothing that screams "uber Sith" louder than destroying an entire planet's life with the dark side.

But no, I don't acknowledge Darth Nihilus as a uber powerful Sith, hence he isn't - Darth Sexy.

I'll come up with poor reasoning like mentioning that he hasn't demonstrated a plethora of irrelevant overused force techniques so as to "prove" that Nihilus isn't uber. - Darth Sexy

Great logic there, let's put things into perspective very quickly: you don't kill an entire planet's worth of life if you aren't uber powerful in the force - it's that simple. You could write about Nihilus' lack of great variety in force techniques until your fingers bleed(not that there's any indication that he doesn't have variety mind you) but it doesn't change the fact that Nihilus is uber in the dark side.

The circumstances by which he arrived at his powers? Irrelevant, it's like arguing over the hulk' physical power simply because (as you'd put it) he lucked out by being exposed to gamma radiation - see how poor your reasoning is?

It's fiction, whether the guy was born out of a vortex of force energy or not is irrelevant. How irrational can you be.

Originally posted by Allankles
And nothing suggest that she didn't, besides one out of universe reference in the largely inconsistent chronicles. Trayus academy remained - as of Kotor 2 - an ancient Sith centre of learning and knowledge. Weak argument as always, a good debater wouldn't use this in their argument, as it's quite irrelevant (considering Kreia's considerable knowledge).

[quoteThere's also nothing basic about controlling the internal atmosphere of a ship that has large parts of it's hull destroyed. Nothing basic about using TK to lift a cruiser the size of the Ravager. Nothing basic about binding your life essence to your armor. [/quote]
Nothing powerful about that as well.

Nothing basic about using TK as a potent offensive weapon against a Sith as powerful as Kreia (you have to be a considerable force user to do that), and there's nothing that screams "uber Sith" louder than destroying an entire planet's life with the dark side.

But no, I don't acknowledge Darth Nihilus as a uber powerful Sith, hence he isn't - Darth Sexy.

I'll come up with poor reasoning like mentioning that he hasn't demonstrated a plethora of irrelevant overused force techniques so as to "prove" that Nihilus isn't uber. - Darth Sexy

Great logic there, let's put things into perspective very quickly: you don't kill an entire planet's worth of life if you aren't uber powerful in the force - it's that simple. You could write about Nihilus' lack of great variety in force techniques until your fingers bleed(not that there's any indication that he doesn't have variety mind you) but it doesn't change the fact that Nihilus is uber in the dark side.

The circumstances by which he arrived at his powers? Irrelevant, it's like arguing over the hulk' physical power simply because (as you'd put it) he lucked out by being exposed to gamma radiation - see how poor your reasoning is?

It's fiction, whether the guy was born out of a vortex of force energy or not is irrelevant. How irrational can you be. [/B]

Tell you what, when you throw in a logical argument that doesn't involve your incessant downplaying bullshit, I'll take you seriously.

Um, hello...there are other points to respond to.

And then destroyed by an average jedi.

Really would you drop this crap, theres nothing average about the Exile, again saying this is like saying Aylaa Secura could mimic the Exiles entire adventure in KOTOR2. Moreover you've yet to provide any sort of compelling argument that backs up your claim and you can barely refute my points.

I'm more than positive the exile inherited the same technique when she became a wound.

Not really, the only power were shown she was given as her status as "wound in the force" was her amplified bonding ability, which allowed her to dominate the bond and the power to syphon power energy from the death of others albeit it could be considered of the same nature of the force drain, its her natural instinctual power not some Ancient Sith power.

Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
Um, hello...there are other points to respond to.

Really would you drop this crap, theres nothing average about the Exile, again saying this is like saying Aylaa Secura could mimic the Exiles entire adventure in KOTOR2. Moreover you've yet to provide any sort of compelling argument that backs up your claim and you can barely refute my points.

What points exactly? Defeating Traya who never wanted to kill the Exile who represented the death of the force which is what she wanted? Or killing Nihilus with the help of two other companions. You have yet to offer an argument that would make the Exile a powerful jedi.

What points exactly? Defeating Traya who never wanted to kill the Exile who represented the death of the force which is what she wanted?

Or did someone miss the entire point of the end game sequence? The whole "Death of the Force thing" was a ruse to make sure that the Exile would not hold back and would kill her. The point of the final battle was as Kreia said a test, a test to see if she was powerful enough to stand with Revan in the coming war, really if your not keen enough to see this she even spells it out for you after you beat her the second time.

Or killing Nihilus with the help of two other companions. You have yet to offer an argument that would make the Exile a powerful jedi.

I never even mentioned Nihlius, Pay Attention.

She's beaten Atris who had as the scene in the game projects dozens of Sith Holocrons which she has studied and grown more powerful from.

Lets look at The Exile while fighting on Trayus Academy where she on her own took out an Academy literally FULL of dark jedi and Sith troopers and beasts of Sith Alchemy, including one 4x's her size. Moreover each room in the academy was filled with at least 4 Dark Jedi. After she proceeds to kill about at LEAST 20 Dark Jedi she then fights Sion whom she then beats 5 times in a row.

After all this she then goes on to fight Traya who not only did she defeat in a straight up fight she then has to fight off three lightsabers drawn up, not limited by the sentient beings range of motion (meaning they have infinite angles to attack from) and she beats this.

But there's more as the masters noted on Dantooine after all the killing she's done through the galaxy she syphons the power from their deaths and adds it to her own, also she's leeched power from that of her teammates.

Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
Or did someone miss the entire point of the end game sequence? The whole "Death of the Force thing" was a ruse to make sure that the Exile would not hold back and would kill her. The point of the final battle was as Kreia said a test, a test to see if she was powerful enough to stand with Revan in the coming war, really if your not keen enough to see this she even spells it out for you after you beat her the second time.

I never even mentioned Nihlius, Pay Attention.

Powerful enough to stand with Revan? What the hell does that even mean? That's supposed to consider her as powerful as Revan, or be powerful enough to go to war with Revan, and what the hell does that even mean about her personal power compared to powerful jedi?

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Powerful enough to stand with Revan? What the hell does that even mean? That's supposed to consider her as powerful as Revan, or be powerful enough to go to war with Revan

Your getting caught up in the word "powerful", look what your original point was:

What points exactly? Defeating Traya who never wanted to kill the Exile who represented the death of the force which is what she wanted?

My response was to attest to the fact that Kreia was NOT holding back, and that the death of the force crap was to make sure the Exile would hold nothing back and be forced into a position in which she could show no mercy and have to kill Kreia, and inturn Kreia would not hold back because as she stated the final battle was a test.

and what the hell does that even mean about her personal power compared to powerful jedi?

Originally posted by Allankles
You've said Nihilus only knew one technique and attempted to pass that off as some validation for your argument that Nihilus isn't stronger than Kun in the force. Let me put things in perspective for you.

1)Nihilus used the force to lift his in operational flag ship of off Malachor.

Wow. Kun received the entire knowledge of a guy who was able to create solar flares and destroy entire star-systems using the force or force aided weaponary.

2)He used what Kreia described as an unstoppable force technique to incapacitate her on Malachor

Wow. That was a force drain. Kun simply resisted a rather similar attack without actively defending himself against it (Wall of Light attack through Odan).

3)He quite clearly and easily chokes Visas on the Ravager.

Yeah. And Kun quite clearly and easily choked Odan, a 1,000 year old Jedi Master who apparently defeated Ancient Sith Lords to death. Even as a ghost he was capable of force choking Luke's student (about 10 people) at once and would have most likely killed them if Streen wouldn't have been there. Guess what's more impressive.

4)Let's not forget that he uses the force to keep his battered ship operational, even while large parts of its hull are breached.

Funny. So he kept his battered ship together ? Can you please explain to me why his ship didn't simply crumble into pieces at the moment he was killed by the Exile ? Obviously the ship was functional enough to remain intact without his presence or force powers keeping it together. Meaning that was quite untrue.

5) Finally, he used the force to bind his life essence to his armor.

Wow. Kun used the force to bind his spirit to the temples on Yavin 4 and as a ghost was still powerful enough to cause some nice amount of damage - 4,000 years after his actual death.

I was talking about Kreia in terms of being a more complete force practitioner. In terms of knowledge, intelligence, resourcefulness Kreia is leagues above Kun, and it's hardly a moot point if you're trying to make a case for Kun being a better Sith.

Urm. Knowledge ? Kun had more knowledge than he could ever use, according to the omniscient narrator of the TOTJ comics. Hard to trump that. Intelligence ? Kun might, in some cases, appear like being quite the hot-head. But I really don't see where he lacks intelligence. He was obviously rather good at making people join his cause as he basically talked people in joining the Dark Side.

And as far as strength in the force is concerned, Kun's top tier feats were mostly accomplished using Sith amulets. I would like to see Kreia use a few amulets herself before I make a comparison on their force abilities. Killing three Jedi Masters in a moment with one application of the force, certainly speaks volumes about Kreia's prowess in this department.

Woah. I didn't see Kun using his amulet to freeze the entire population of the Senate on Coruscant. I didn't see him using his amulet while killing Odan (also only one force attack to kill a Jedi Master) and I didn't see him using his amulet while slaugthering Vodo or performing that nice Sith ritual to enable his spirit to "run rampant throughout the galaxy". So I wonder what you are talking about...

Let's not forget also, that the Trayus academy contained a large library of Sith holocrons, so Kreia would have learned from many Sith (especially when you consider she already had great knowledge of the Sith as a Jedi historian).

Let's not forget that Revan did actually plunder the place and finally destroyed it pretty much using the mass shadow generator. Did you any Sith holocrons in the Academy during KotoR 2 ? I can't remember "a large library" of them that was actually found there. And even then I don't see a point while Kun, who had knowledge coming from people that Kreia descriped as "frightening" (in terms of power), should be less powerful than Kreia.

Not to mention that I don't see any revelance for this thread. Ulic could hold his own against Exar Kun. Something that people who must have had pretty nice combat skills (like Vodo) weren't capable of. Hell...even when he completely lost his force powers he was able to hold his own against an enraged Jedi in a lightsaber duel. So I guess in terms of lightsaber combat Ulic would defeat The Exile.

Leaves force powers. And again Ulic received information from Freedom Nadd and most likely Aleema (both rather skilled when it comes to Dark Side abilities) and of course Exar Kun himself (who also had a nice knowledge base). Aside of that he also owns a Sith amulet (similar to that of Kun) that seems to have boosted his powers as Aleema perceives him and Kun as "rippling with Dark side energies" after their duel. And the Exile ? The Exile technically is just another Jedi when it comes to force powers, without any special training or knowledge. The only thing "special" is that "hole in the force" stuff which does actually affect combat...how ? Didn't help her to overcome somebody like Sion and it didn't grant her immunity against force attacks. Going by this, the Exile is pretty much toast when she has to fight Ulic.

The only thing "special" is that "hole in the force" stuff which does actually affect combat...how ? Didn't help her to overcome somebody like Sion and it didn't grant her immunity against force attacks. Going by this, the Exile is pretty much toast when she has to fight Ulic.

And when have Ulic's awesome 1337 force power been documented? Considering her own force defenses were enough to protect her from Kreia who's specialty is guess what...force attacks.

The bulk of Darht sexy's arguments constitute dismissing my arguments with a simple "No". I cant even call him a debater. And Nihilus humiliated Kreia, Darthsexy, he didn't bother to try and kill her, that was Sion.

Originally posted by Borbarad
Wow. Kun received the entire knowledge of a guy who was able to create solar flares and destroy entire star-systems using the force or force aided weaponary.

Sadow possessed great knowledge in Sith alchemy (I haven't attempted to argue against that), but Kreia studied many Sith not just one ancient Sith alchemist. Her whole life (several years more than Kun lived) was dedicated to learning of the force and the Jedi and Sith specifically. So as impressive as Sadow was, it's a weak argument to try and place Kun's knowledge on par with Kreia's simply for the fact that Kun learnt from Sadow. Try again.

Originally posted by Borbarad

Wow. That was a force drain. Kun simply resisted a rather similar attack without actively defending himself against it (Wall of Light attack through Odan).

What force drain? Nihilus used TK on Kreia, there was no indication that it was force drain.

Originally posted by Borbarad

Yeah. And Kun quite clearly and easily choked Odan, a 1,000 year old Jedi Master who apparently defeated Ancient Sith Lords to death. Even as a ghost he was capable of force choking Luke's student (about 10 people) at once and would have most likely killed them if Streen wouldn't have been there. Guess what's more impressive.

What's impressive about attacking Jedi acolytes? Besides I wasn't trying to claim that Nihilus' force choke on Visas was impressive, I was simply making the point that he used force techniques besides drain.

Originally posted by Borbarad

Funny. So he kept his battered ship together ? Can you [b]please explain to me why his ship didn't simply crumble into pieces at the moment he was killed by the Exile ? Obviously the ship was functional enough to remain intact without his presence or force powers keeping it together. Meaning that was quite untrue.[/B]

Oh! You happened to miss the part in Kotor 2, where Visas mentions that Nihilus keeps the ship operational with the force, despite the fact that large parts of it's hull are destroyed? In fact, the bridge happens to be exposed to space, yet the ships internal pressure is unaffected. He was obviously using an unnamed technique. Besides, this is besides the point, I was merely highlighting that Nihilus was capable of using more than one technique.

Originally posted by Borbarad

Wow. Kun used the force to bind his spirit to the temples on Yavin 4 and as a ghost was still powerful enough to cause some nice amount of damage - 4,000 years after his actual death.

What's impressive about this? You know that he actually died in performing this ritual, right? Nihilus was actually still in the physical realm while his life essence remained bonded to his armor. He supposedly used this technique to escape death on Malachor (during or after the Mando wars). Exar Kun's attempt to preserve his life failed, so what's impressive there? Again, I was merely making the point out that Nihilus knew more than one technique.

Originally posted by Borbarad

Woah. I didn't see Kun using his amulet to freeze the entire population of the Senate on Coruscant. .

It's an impressive feat, but it was never used on Jedi. Nihilus actually killed hundreds of Jedi and millions (perhaps billions) of organisms in one application of the force.

Originally posted by Borbarad
I didn't see him using his amulet while killing Odan (also only one force attack to kill a Jedi Master) and I didn't see him using his amulet while slaugthering Vodo or performing that nice Sith ritual to enable his spirit to "run rampant throughout the galaxy". So I wonder what you are talking about.

First of all his spirit never run rampant throughout the galaxy, and killing Vodo, Odan in the manner that he did is more impressive than Kreia killing three Jedi masters by draining them of the force?

Originally posted by Borbarad

Let's not forget that Revan did actually plunder the place and finally destroyed it pretty much using the mass shadow generator. Did you any Sith holocrons in the Academy during KotoR 2 ? I can't remember "a large library" of them that was actually found there. And even then I don't see a point while Kun, who had knowledge coming from people that Kreia descriped as "frightening" (in terms of power), should be less powerful than Kreia.

The mass shadow generator obviously didn't destroy the trayus academy, how the hell can you even write that? Secondly it's obvious that there was plenty of Sith knowledge in Trayus core when you consider that it's implicitly stated that Kreia, Sion and Nihilus spent the better part of five years learning of the Sith at Malachor 5.

Lastly, Kreia never described the ancient Sith as frightening, she only mentioned that they were great lightsaber duelist and as you should know Sadow and his particular band of ancient sith hadn't started using lightsabers yet.

Originally posted by Allankles
The bulk of Darht sexy's arguments constitute dismissing my arguments with a simple "No". I cant even call him a debater. And Nihilus humiliated Kreia, Darthsexy, he didn't bother to try and kill her, that was Sion.

Sadow possessed great knowledge in Sith alchemy (I haven't attempted to argue against that), but Kreia studied many Sith not just one ancient Sith alchemist. Her whole life (several years more than Kun lived) was dedicated to learning of the force and the Jedi and Sith specifically. So as impressive as Sadow was, it's a weak argument to try and place Kun's knowledge on par with Kreia's simply for the fact that Kun learnt from Sadow. Try again.

What force drain? Nihilus used TK on Kreia, there was no indication that it was force drain.

Oh! You happened to miss the part in Kotor 2, where Visas mentions that Nihilus keeps the ship operational with the force, despite the fact that large parts of it's hull are destroyed? In fact, the bridge happens to be exposed to space, yet the ships internal pressure is unaffected. He was obviously using an unnamed technique. Besides, this is besides the point, I was merely highlighting that Nihilus was capable of using more than one technique.

What's impressive about this? You know that he actually died in performing this ritual, right? Nihilus was actually still in the physical realm while his life essence remained bonded to his armor. He supposedly used this technique to escape death on Malachor (during or after the Mando wars). Exar Kun's attempt to preserve his life failed, so what's impressive there? Again, I was merely making the point out that Nihilus knew more than one technique.

It's an impressive feat, but it was never used on Jedi. Nihilus actually killed hundreds of Jedi and millions (perhaps billions) of organisms in one application of the force.

First of all his spirit never run rampant throughout the galaxy, and killing Vodo, Odan in the manner that he did is more impressive than Kreia killing three Jedi masters by draining them of the force?

The mass shadow generator obviously didn't destroy the trayus academy, how the hell can you even write that? Secondly it's obvious that there was plenty of Sith knowledge in Trayus core when you consider that it's implicitly stated that Kreia, Sion and Nihilus spent the better part of five years learning of the Sith at Malachor 5.

I disagree. The most important point to consider is the lightsaber color that is used by the two devilish combatants. The Trayus academy is large dark and hollow like an edgar ellan poe poem. Therefore the one that uses red lightsaber is excuse the pun "In the Red". Everyone knows that red can be seen from further than any other on the color spectrum which opens the user to attacks by flying projectiles from his enemy. God didn't intend for stalactites to be used to carve out someones heart.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Considering I wtfpwned you in the only other debate I've ever had with you, I wouldn't call you a credible source for anything, especially with your piss poor debating skills. And no, Nihilus stripped her of the force yet he couldn't kill her. "I was stripped of my power, cast out", or did you forget that.

She was cast out (as you've quite rightly mentioned) which would imply that she was essentially expelled from the trayus academy, you've killed your own silly argument right there.

It would also make good sense to note that they would easily have killed her if that's what they wished, or are you forgetting they had her at their mercy? And what I saw was a tk blast that all but incapacitated her. You can't use the force effectively if your head has just suffered significant blunt force trauma, are you really this narrow minded?

The only time we see Nihilus use his drain in the game, it's both identified by a orange arc of light and doesn't throw it's victim off their feet.

And you hardly pwned anybody, unless your idea of pwned is dismissing another persons arguments on the basis that you don't like them. I've never seen you write an effective counterargument in any of the exchanges we've had. And here you are making the same ineffective and weak (at best) arguments.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Kreia was a historian, you have no idea what sith relics she studied if any, so stop speculating. Kreia's knowledge lies within history and the philosophy of the force, but I wouldn't even begin to compare her power with that of Exar Kun.

You have no idea how much knowledge Exar Kun possessed himself, he even mentions that he didn't understand many of the Sith techniques he'd come across.

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Originally posted by Darth Sexy
ou mean to the point where she couldn't even call her lightsaber back? That sounds like the force drain to me.

And it also tells me that the blunt force of her body's impact on the wall, most certainly affected her ability to focus in effect making her incapable of using the force - or have you forgotten that Jedi and Sith can get koed. We see Obi Wan get incapacitated by Dooku's tk in ROTS, the same likely happened here.

I'm not trying to claim that Nihilus didn't do some kind of drain on her (her powers were stripped away afterall) but in this instance Nihilus definitely uses tk as opposed to a force drain. And how do we know it's not Sion using the force to stop Kreia from retrieving her lightsaber?

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Originally posted by Darth Sexy
It's pretty obvious that Nai destroyed your whole argument when we see Nihilus dying and his ship staying in tact.

How about getting a clue? It's a pretty irrelevant point to make as Nihilus did keep his ship operational. The specifics of how he managed for instance, to keep the internal pressure of the ship normal despite the fact that it had many hull breaches is unknown.

Whether the phenomenon was directly linked to a continual conscience effort by Nihilus is unknown. The important point here (you never address the important points) is that Nihilus did keep his ship intact with the force - because Kotor 2 quite clearly states that he did.

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Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Kun actually died? Good lord are you a moron. Kun shed his mortal body to begin a spirit, that's the point of the ritual. There was NO attempt to preserve his own life. Stop downplaying a character because you do it so poorly and it makes you look stupid.

I'm hardly downplaying Kun. In SW spirits are immortal anyway and Kun essentially killed himself, while Nihilus preserved his existence in the mortal plane while binding his spirit. I'll admit that it was Kun's intention to die in the physical plane, however he failed to escape the confines of the Yavin temple as he'd expected.

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Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Except for the fact that Nihilus never killed hundreds of Jedi. You know why? Because after the Jedi Civil War there were less than 100 jedi left in the entire galaxy, the majority leaving the jedi order and becoming anonymous, so for all you know, there were 10 jedi on Katarr.

Pointless? The Jedi after the Civil war were in the hundreds by estimation, so I gave a rough estimate, no big deal. And this is besides the point, we know that many Jedi went to Katarr and all of them died, including the force sensitive Miralukas, as well as the entire planets life forms.

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Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Who cares what was more impressive? Kun didn't need to put on a spectacle against 3 jedi masters, he did enough by freezing the entire senate chamber.

And your point being? My point is; as impressive as it was he could never use it against Jedi, otherwise he would have.

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Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Except for the fact that Sion and Nihilus were more than likely part of the jedi civil war, and after the mass shadow generator destroyed Malachor V, they got on their trusty ship and started killing from the outer regions.

Except that this argument is based on your wishful thinking given that it's quite clearly elaborated that Nihilus, Kreia and Sion were based on Malachor 5 for the better part of five years. Kreia as master of the academy, trained Nihilus and Sion for a good part of that time.