Borbarad
Advocatus Diaboli
Originally posted by Allankles
First of all there aren't any blast doors on the roof of the exposed bridge, or some of the rooms you have to go inside of, to place the protocon cores, so dumb argument again. Secondly, if you knew anything about ship tech in sci-fi you'd know that energy shields can't compensate for a breached hull, that's why they builds ships with you know... hulls.
Want to argue against canon again ? Go and watch RotS. Watch the opening sequence. Anakin and Obi-Wan just before entering Grievous ship do destroy the shield that is in front of the hangar entrance. And the shield...obviously kept the air inside the hangar as Anakin and Obi-Wan are both breathing their which should be possible in...a vacuum. And notice how the air didn't leave the hangar in the same moment the shield was destroyed. The same principle also works for the Death Star hangars in ANH and ROTJ where nothing but an energy shield is between the hangar bay and outer space.
So if you knew anything about ship tech in Star Wars, you would have noticed that shields actually do keep the air inside a room.
Dumb argument 2 destroyed quite easily. If your hull is breached you have to get something to plug it, the Ravager's atmosphere remains normal despite the absence of any sought of "plug".
See above. Simply wrong.
And I've already mentioned as you get to see below, Kotor 2 implicitly states that Nihilus did keep his ship intact, and looking at how the internal atmosphere stayed normal (in the bridge for instance) while it was exposed to open space, it's quite clearly understandable that Nihilus did keep the internal atmosphere of his ship normal by some unknown power and or technique. Should we go back to this stupid argument of yours, or will you finally get around to stop arguing over irrelevant points?
Oh yeah. Tobin says that Nihilus "keeps the ship together" replying to Mandalore who suggest that it shouldn't be able to fly because of the structural damage. Yet obviously, and I don't know how often I do have to hammer that into your brain, if Nihilus did indeed keep the ship together it should have been destroyed in the second of his death. Yet that didn't happen.
And aside of that this entire statement is pretty much stupid. How should a space ship be destroyed by "stuctural damage" in outer space ? Unless some gravitation source pulls pieces of it apart, I really can't see what should damage the ship. In a vacuum that does actually need some sort of force being applied against the ship which is...not present.
According to you everyone and there mother can force drain an entire planet, right?! Nihilus is uber, his force drain speaks for itself, I
don't need to write another sentence on this point.
You mean the same force drain that is an extend of his "hunger". The same thing that Kreia comments with "There is no power behind his hunger" ? Woah. Nihilus was beaten by an average Jedi (quote of Vrook about the Exile) who was lucky enough to have some sort of resistance against the force drain. That's exactly how "powerful" he is.
It was only brought up because someone mentioned Kun, doesn't matter, the Exile has more than enough qualities to take Ulic.
Name some.
Oh brother! When have the specifics of what it entails to learn these techniques ever been written? Your talking out of your ass, I say "basic" is all a matter of interpretation, but that's just me.
Oh genious. You do notice that there are certain techniques that every Jedi is capable of using while there are some which are restricted to person who learned corresponding force techniques. For example: Every force user can use telekinesis. Basic. Not every force user can use force lightning. Hence it's not a "basic" ability.
As an example I'll point out that Jacen in Traitor was able to cast some form of lightning while in a rage, does that become a "basic" technique to you? Don't even bother with a response, because the answer doesn't matter. Please refrain from bringing up these frail arguments.
Damn. Jacen ? The same Jacen who did learn everything from Luke Skywalker. You know. Luke Skywalker who scimmed through Sidious amassed Dark Side knowledge during the DE series and is famous for electrocuting Yuuzhang Vong and Killiks with emerald lightning. Yeah. I really wonder how Jacen could have archieved knowledge how to use force lightning. Especially in a time when Luke basically allowed the use of Dark Side techniques.
Most Jedi were trained from childhood even then, we see examples like the Exile (who can't remember his parents because he was taken by the Jedi as a child), Kreia herself implies that she never knew her parents, even when it comes to Revan she further implies that Revan was trained from childhood and she was his first master.
This is great. Most people ? In the TOTJ comics I don't see a single one trained from infancy on - but that's just me of course.
Then let's go on. The Exile, who suffers from a total amnesia, doesn't remember her parents ? WTF ! Great revelation. Kreia "implies" that Revan never knew his parents ?
"Revan had a mother and father, parents, ancestors, like all Jedi do. And when he awakened to his potential, I was there to see it. But where he was born, where he came from, I do not know…"
Wow. Revan had parents, ancestors and he knew his whereabouts obviously and Kreia who did see his potential awaken doesn't know where he comes from. Yeah. That totally implies he was trained from his earliest years on. Oh wait. No. Actually it implies the exact opposite.
And for Kreia herself I would need a quote.
The Jedi from an early time realized the value of severing a child's ties to the family as early as possible, so as to make them more dedicated Jedi.
No. They didn't. The rule that only children are accepted into the Jedi order was established in 1,000 BBY during the Ruusan reformation to minimize the risk for a Jedi to turn to the Dark Side. That's 3,000 years after the events shown in KotoR. In fact you even see that right before that time (Jedi vs Sith comics) the Jedi did only recruit children to their ranks because there was a war going on. Hell...Nomi Sunrider didn't even train her own daughter in the Jedi arts for more than a decade. So you are simply wrong here.
So your argument here is pure speculation. Kreia herself mentions that she was a Jedi historian and chronicler many years before Kotor 2 and that long ago (certainly more than Kun's 6 months) she followed Atris' path i.e. gathering sith and jedi holocrons to uncover secrets of the force.Kreia is vastly more experienced than Kun and does posses more knowledge than Kun, she concerned herself with the pursuit of knowledge for many decades, this is indisputable. You're trying to argue that her experience as a Jedi was far less than her years suggest, this is quite obviously one of your weakest arguments.
No. What I'm trying to tell you is, that experience is pretty much a non-issue in the SW universe. Kun did defeat people who were much older than Kreia, including the 1,000 year old Odan Urr. That done with a single force attack. Luke in DE was capable of defeating one of the most powerful Sith Lords in history who had more than 90 years of Dark Side training under his sleeve in a lightsaber duel - with just 6 years of force training. Anakin did kill Dooku despite the fact that he just had roughly 1 decade of training, where Dooku had 80 years. Got it now ?
And an average Jedi doesn't:-End a civil war virtually single handedly
Dismantle a crime syndicate in a short time.
End a massive mercenary incursion on a colony world.
Defeat three powerful Sith Lord's and a Dark Jedi like Traya, Sion, Nihilus and Atris.
What's that ? Feat wars ?
First you have to take into consideration that the limitation of the "three party member groups" in KotoR is just gameplay. That means: For most of the actions we can suggest that the Exile was working together with all of her companions. That turns some of the feats down quite a few levels.
And please. Defeat three powerful Sith Lords ?
Defeat of Nihilus happens in a 1 vs 3 during which the Sith can be weakend multiple times via manipulation (e.g. talking, then utilizing Visas connection to her master) and because of one single special ability. Wow. Sion is basically "talked into death" and for Kreia we can suggest that she didn't really want to kill her beloved student. Leaves Atris previously weakened through confrontation with Brianna.
And lets not forget preventing the collapse of the Republic with these actions and paving the way for a new legacy of Jedi that would live on until the PT period.
That surely says...nothing about actual skills but thanks.
Yeah Ulic was great, but the Exile is quite obviously a greater Jedi and has many talents to go along with that greatness.
Oh yes. Of course.
Let me see. Ulic did defeat Mandalore in personal confrontation, slaughtered his brother Cay, unleashed a nice war on the Republic, managed to stalemate Exar Kun. Yet Kun did utterly destroy people who, following your own definition, should have been leagues above Kreia in terms of knowledge and power. And while having no access to the force any longer he was capable of fending off an enraged Jedi for minutes in a lightsaber duel. Rather interesting because nobody else with the exception of Grievous, has pulled something like this off before or after.
Compared to that the Exile did what exactly ? Killing people that were previously weakened ? Yeah. Great.