KMC Comic Book Tiers

Originally posted by Artemis1860
I'm sorry that you're brain didn't check into work today, but it's canon, and the only reason you're crying like a baby and screaming "PIS! PIS!" is because you can't debate your point well, ergo you cursing like a sad child.

If you can't keep up, get off the bike.

So by your "it's canon" logic, Firelord lost to Spidey fair and square? But wait, according to the KMC rules that's the example of PIS and how it doesn't count here.

If you can't follow the rules, get off the forum.

Oh wait, it's canon? Where have I heard that before. Oh right, Quanchi said the same thing in Thanos vs Darkseid.

So let's have a look at Artemis' world.

Strength > Skills/speed/agility
Spidey > Firelord
Loeb feats = valid
PIS = non existant.

No, just because something may be considered PIS doesn't mean that it isn't cannon.

And Loeb feats? 😐 There are plenty of Loeb feats that are perfectly valid, don't be an idiot. Just because you don't agree with the man's writing, doesn't mean that what he's written isn't valid.

Originally posted by CasanoVa
No, just because something may be considered PIS doesn't mean that it isn't cannon.

And Loeb feats? 😐 There are plenty of Loeb feats that are perfectly valid, don't be an idiot. Just because you don't agree with the man's writing, doesn't mean that what he's written isn't valid.

A lot of his stuff is crap.

Cap beating down Hulk without hitting pressure points or using his shield.

Originally posted by llagrok
A lot of his stuff is crap.

Cap beating down Hulk without hitting pressure points or using his shield.

So what?

Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it didn't happen 😬.

Originally posted by CasanoVa
So what?

Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it didn't happen 😬.

But it messes up the entire world of comics.

If Peak Humans can knock out people with Hulk's endurance, anything goes. Thor can't, but Cap can?

Originally posted by llagrok
But it messes up the entire world of comics.

If Peak Humans can knock out people with Hulk's endurance, anything goes. Thor can't, but Cap can?

Yeah, it might make things alot more complicated and alot of people might try to use it as serious evidence (which it is, even if it is ridiculous) but oh well.. that's comics.

Originally posted by CasanoVa
Yeah, it might make things alot more complicated and alot of people might try to use it as serious evidence (which it is, even if it is ridiculous) but oh well.. that's comics.

Shouldn't our perspective be a little broader?

I mean, we are able to tell the difference between what's PIS and what isn't, aren't we? It's gonna be hard debating here if we're gonna have to wait 5 years for PIS happenings to be retconned.

Many people think BRB is actually way stronger than Thor, based on his fight with Stardust.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Many people think BRB is actually way stronger than Thor, based on his fight with Stardust.

Hah.

Stardust did a lot of feigns there and BRB didn't do anything that Thor hasn't done before. It put BRB in the same league as Thor though.

Originally posted by llagrok
Shouldn't our perspective be a little broader?

I mean, we are able to tell the difference between what's PIS and what isn't, aren't we? It's gonna be hard debating here if we're gonna have to wait 5 years for PIS happenings to be retconned.

Sure, you can argue that something's PIS, but that's your opinion, someone else might disagree and think Captain America's totally capable of downing Hulk.

The List

Sub-Skyfather (Transcendent)

Amazo, Appolyon, The Asgardian Destroyer,Black Racer, Blackheart, Blaze, Circe, Count Abyss, Death Urge, Despero, The Doctor, Dr. Fate, Dr. Strange (classic), Eclipso, Elders of the Universe (minus Ego), Fernus, The General (Shaggy Man), Gog, Gray Man, High Evolutionary, Ion (current), Jenny Quantum, The Keeper, King Thor, Magus (original), Mangog, Mongul I (Pre Crisis), Nightmare, Onimar Synn, Onslaught, Queen of Fables, Resurrection Man 1 Million, Sentinel (Alan Scott), Silver Age Kryptonians/Daxamites, Solomon Grundy (Peak), Solusandra, Stayne, Strange Visitor, Sun Eater, Superboy Prime, Superman 1 Million, Takion, Tanaraq, Thanos, Tyrant (powered down), Validus

Herald

High
Adam Warlock, Baron Zemo (w/ Moonstones), Cyborg Superman, The Eradicator (Fortress Mode), Genis-Vell, Green Lantern (Hal, Kyle, Alan), Infinity-Man, Majestic, Moonstone (w/ both stones), Qztr, The Sentry, The Silver Surfer, Sinestro, Spartan 3.0, Stardust, Superman (including B/R and AS), Thor, The Void

Middle
Alexander Nero, Beta Ray Bill, Binary, Black Adam, Black Bolt, Cable (Full Power), Captain Atom, Cpt. Comet,Captain Marvel (DC), Damien Hellstrom, Doomsday, Evinlea, The Fallen One, Firelord, The Flash III (Wally West), The Flash IV (Bart Allen), General Zod, Gladiator, Green Lantern (Guy, John, Katma, Kilowog), Hyperion, Ikaris, Imperiex Probes, Kid Omega, Lobo, Loki, Magus (Post-IG), Martian Manhunter, Maxima, Mon-El, Morg, Nate Grey, Orion, Quasar, Rachel Summers (Phoenix II), Red Shift, Skreet, Supergirl, Supreme, Swamp Thing, Terrax the Tamer, Void, Waverider, Wildfire, Wonder Woman

Low
Absorbing Man, Air Walker, Animal Man, Apocalypse, Apollo, Argent, The Atom, Aztek, Bizarro Superman, Breach, Cassandra Nova, Cir-El, Count Nefaria, Damage, Darkness, Darwin, Death's Head 3.0, Death Metal, Dr. Doom, Dr. Invincible, Dr. Light, Dr. Polaris, Drax The Destroyer, Engineer, Etrigan, Exodus, Fin Fang Foom, Firestorm, The Flash II (Barry Allen), Gammid, Gamora (w/Godslayer), Gilgamesh, Gorilla Grodd, Graviton, Green Lantern (Soranik Natu), He-Man, Hector Hammond, Hulk, Iceman, Isis, Jade, Jack Hawksmoor (in city), Jack of Hearts, Jericho, Juggernaut (Classic), Kalibak, Lightray, Living Monolith, Lunatik, Magneto, Major Force, Makkari, Man-Beast, Manchester Black, Mar-Vell, Matrix Supergirl, Meggan, Mongul, Monica Rambeau (Pulsar), Mr. M, Nova (Frankie Raye), Nova Richard Rider (current), Plastic Man, Prime, Professor X, Raven, The Ray, Red Tornado, Ronan the Accuser, Saturn Girl, Selene (External), Sersi, Shadow King, Shaman, Starhawk, Super Skrull, Superboy, Tempest, Ultra Boy, Ultra-Humanite, Ultron, Union, Vulcan, Winter, Zauriel,

Metahuman (Mid-tier "Iron Man" level)

High
Abomination, Adam Strange, Aquaman, Ares (Marvel), Atlas, Aurora, Batman 1 Million, Battalion (Jackson King), Blastaar, Blob, Captain Britain, Captain Marvel Jr, Colossus, Death's Head II, Donna Troy, Emma Frost, Ghost Rider II, Grim Reaper, Guardian I, Havok, Hellstrike, Hercules (Mortal), Holocaust, The Human Torch, Invisible Woman, Iron-Man, Jean Grey (sans Phoenix), Jenny Sparks, Juggernaut (Depowered), Kang, Karate Kid, Living Laser, Mandarin, Mary Marvel, Maul, Mercer Drake, Metallo, Mimic (Exiles), Miss Martian, Mr. Fantastic, Mr. Sinister, Namor the Sub-Mariner, Nightshade, Nimrod, Northstar, Ocean Master, Osiris, Pitt, Polaris, Power Girl, Psylocke, Radioactive Man, Sand, Sasquatch, Shassa, She-Hulk, Starfire, Storm, Supernova, Temugin, The Thing, Thunderstrike, The Tick, Ulik, Ultimo, Vision, War Machine, Wonder Man, Zzaxx

Middle
Aegis, Atom Smasher, Attuma, Balder, Beast Boy, Bishop, Blink, Blue Beetle (Jamie Reyes), Blue Devil, Bombshell, Booster Gold, Box, Carnage, Cloak, Corrin, Crystal, Cyborg, Cyclops, Death's Head, Death Wreck, Dust, Electro, Elijah Snow, Farenheit, Flint, Fuji, Ghost Rider (Johnny Blaze), Ghost Rider(Dan Ketch), Grace Choi, Hawkgirl, Hawkman, Hellion, The Flash I (Jay Garrick), Kymaera/Namorita, Lightning Lad, Matua, M.O.D.O.K., Moonstone, Morlun, Ms. Marvel, Nico Minoru, Ogun, Quicksilver (classic), Ragman, Rogue, rom, Shadowcat, Shift, Steel, Terra, Thunder, Tiger Shark, Toxin, Vance Astro, Vengeance, Wonder Girl, Enchantress

Low
3-D Man, Ambrose Chase, Angel, Arachne, Arana, Azrael, Beast, Black Canary, Black Tarantula, Blade, Blue Beetle (Dan Garrett), Bruenor Battlehammer, Century, Charcoal, Charlie 27, Constrictor, Creeper, Cyber, Dagger, Deathlok, Deathstroke the Terminator, Doc Ock, Drizzt Do'Urden, Elixer, Falcon, Firehawk, Gambit, Green Goblin, Hobgoblin, Iron Fist, Jakita Wagner, Karnak, Kid Devil, Killer Croc, Klaw, Lady Deathstrike, Longshot, Luke Cage, Machine Man, Man-Bat, Mercury, Midnighter, Mister Hyde, Molly Hayes, Multiple Man, Mysterio, Mystique, Nightcrawler, Nova Richard Rider (classic), Nuke, Omega Red, Orka Humbug, Prometheus, Protocide, Puck, Puma, Rage, Sabretooth, Shang Chi, Silver Samurai, Speedball, Speedfreek, Spider-Man, Spider-Man 2099, Spider-Woman, Swift, Thunder Cats, Tombstone, Triathalon, Vance Astro, Vanguard, Venom, Vermin, Victor Mancha, Vulture, Warlock (Technarchy/Phalanx), Warpath, Wizard, Wolverine, Wulfgar

Street Level

High
Bane, Batgirl, Batman, Black Cat, Black Panther, Blacklash, Bronze Tiger, Bullseye, Captain America, The Cat, Constantine Drakon, Daredevil, Elektra, Green Arrow, Hawkeye, Hush, Kingpin, Lady Shiva, Ravager, Red Skull, Richard Dragon, Taskmaster, Union Jack, X-23

Middle
Red Hood , Arsenal/Red Arrow, Baron Zemo, Blue Beetle (Ted Kord), Crossbones, Deadshot, Echo, Grifter, Joker, Mach IV, Misty Knight, Moon Knight, Nick Fury, Nightwing, Nomad, Peacemaker, Punisher, Ra's Al Ghul, Rose Tattoo, Turok, Wildcat

Low
Alfred, Batroc, Black Widow, Catwoman, Christine Trelane, Colleen Wing, Night Thrasher, Obregon Kaine, Penguin, The Question, Riddler, Robin, Talia, White Tiger

Mantis for mid herald. He curbstomped a few GLs and half the JSA.

Grayven for low/mid herald.

Desaad for......I dunno, low meta? He's worthless in a straight fight, but he is Darkseid's grand vizier and resident mad scientist.

Mr. Miracle for........ again, not sure.

Hollywood for mid herald.

Originally posted by CasanoVa
Sure, you can argue that something's PIS, but that's your opinion, someone else might disagree and think Captain America's totally capable of downing Hulk.

Yes, but I thought we had some rules for that on KMC?

Thinks like Hulk withstanding Black Bolt's whisper goes both ways, since it's actually feasible. But in the case where Cap beats him, shouldn't it be so incredibly obvious that it's PIS?

Originally posted by llagrok
Yes, but I thought we had some rules for that on KMC?

Thinks like Hulk withstanding Black Bolt's whisper goes both ways, since it's actually feasible. But in the case where Cap beats him, shouldn't it be so incredibly obvious that it's PIS?

Sure, PIS is pretty well dealt with on this forum (the rules are pretty clear on it), BUT that doesn't mean people'll actually give a damn. Most users probably haven't even read the rules the entire way through, I know I haven't.

Originally posted by llagrok
Yes, but I thought we had some rules for that on KMC?

Thinks like Hulk withstanding Black Bolt's whisper goes both ways, since it's actually feasible. But in the case where Cap beats him, shouldn't it be so incredibly obvious that it's PIS?

SM vs. FL is enshrined in the rules for a reason. And yes, there are some things (Like Cap one-shotting Hulk with a shot to the gut....... 🤨 ) which just scream PIS. 😉

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
SM vs. FL is enshrined in the rules for a reason. And yes, there are some things (Like Cap one-shotting Hulk with a shot to the gut....... 🤨 ) which just scream PIS. 😉

Yeah, so can you blame me for being pissed when people laugh at me, then back up their statements with PIS showings?

Originally posted by llagrok
Yeah, so can you blame me for being pissed when people laugh at me, then back up their statements with PIS showings?

Yeah, 'cause they're only comics and this is only a forum, so you really shouldn't give a damn what people say/how the act towards you, I know I sure as hell don't.

Originally posted by CasanoVa
Yeah, 'cause they're only comics and this is only a forum, so you really shouldn't give a damn what people say/how the act towards you, I know I sure as hell don't.

You told me not to be a dick 15 minutes ago, when artemis was being ***** of the century.

You DON'T care?

Originally posted by llagrok
You told me not to be a dick 15 minutes ago, when artemis was being ***** of the century.

You DON'T care?

Not at all, I read the entire thing and she wasn't being the bitch you were making her out to be, thusforth making the remarks you made about her pretty uncalled for. It was both ways, so you can't exactly act like you were the victim in the situation, because you really weren't.

Now, personally, I think we've spammed up the Tier thread enough, so if you want to continue this, PM me.

Originally posted by CasanoVa
Not at all, I read the entire thing and she wasn't being the bitch you were making her out to be, thusforth making the remarks you made about her pretty uncalled for. It was both ways, so you can't exactly act like you were the victim in the situation, because you really weren't.

Now, personally, I think we've spammed up the Tier thread enough, so if you want to continue this, PM me.

Yeah, this isn't the place for this.

Trickster: Hollywood for mid tier? I assume you're not speaking about the Wonder Man version?

He was pretty uber. SHC has a nice respect thread for him. And yes, I am talking about the Wonder Man who was part of the Guardians of the Galaxy.