KMC Comic Book Tiers

Originally posted by strengthkills
Thanks for the info. I was genuinely asking for feats.

But even then Boulders dont equal Hulk's physiology(many powers dont work on him for some reason,hell hes even survived anti-matter) and Black Holes arent treated with to much respect in Marvel generally.

And, already addressed the issue of the scream, and how that whole encounter was PIS.

Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
I'm well aware. However, he could solidify the air within Hulk, or turn it into antimatter. For instance. He's got a bunch of other matter manip feats, I'm still working on the Inhumans respect thread though.

And, already addressed the issue of the scream, and how that whole encounter was PIS.

You crazy fanboys of moderately obscure characters! shakefist

Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
I'm well aware. However, he could solidify the air within Hulk, or turn it into antimatter. For instance. He's got a bunch of other matter manip feats, I'm still working on the Inhumans respect thread though.

And, already addressed the issue of the scream, and how that whole encounter was PIS.

Hulk doesnt have to breath anymore,he has taken anti-matter before etc.

I dont think the scream was PIS one bit.

Originally posted by strengthkills
Hulk doesnt have to breath anymore,he has taken anti-matter before etc.

I dont think the scream was PIS one bit.

That will, consequently, explode.

Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
Yes, but he'll have a giant antimatter block filling every air-accessible crevice of his body.

That will, consequently, explode.

No it won't.

Matter doesn't explode on contact with antimatter.

It is annihilated. 🙂.

Originally posted by Soljer
No it won't.

Matter doesn't explode on contact with antimatter.

It is annihilated. 🙂.

Nice use of a half-truth.

Originally posted by Soljer
No it won't.

Matter doesn't explode on contact with antimatter.

It is annihilated. 🙂.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Unless you are trans lvl and antimatter means lil to you. Like The infinity Man. 😛

Or Hulk *cough*

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Nice use of a half-truth.

What are you talking about?

When a particle comes into contact with it's anti-particle, it is annihilated.

It doesn't 'explode.'

Originally posted by Soljer
What are you talking about?

When a particle comes into contact with it's anti-particle, it is annihilated.

It doesn't 'explode.'

Energy is produced however. Which would lead to explosion of sorts.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Energy is produced however. Which would lead to explosion of sorts.

No.

True, an explosion releases energy, but a release of energy does NOT indicate an explosion.

An explosion is also characterized by rapidly expanding volume - something that DOESN'T happen with annihilation.

Originally posted by Soljer
No it won't.

Matter doesn't explode on contact with antimatter.

It is annihilated. 🙂.

Why is Venom below Carnage? 😬

Originally posted by Galan007
Exactly.

I mean, it's cool he withstood the force of that much gravity and all... But does that one feat make Nova high-herald worthy?

Nah. ermm

It was a neutron star. Do you have any idea how powerful a neutron star is? That's more impressive than a supernova.

Originally posted by Soljer
No.

True, an explosion releases energy, but a release of energy does NOT indicate an explosion.

An explosion is also characterized by rapidly expanding volume - something that DOESN'T happen with annihilation.

So if you annihinate matter and antimatter it just goes "poof" and nothing happens? I don't buy that.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
It was a neutron star. Do you have any idea how powerful a neutron star is? That's more impressive than a supernova.

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Now a black hole is said to have "infinite" gravity once you pass the 'event horizon'...

Yet I've seen numerous mid-heralders' not only survive black holes, but manipulate those forces with the utmost of ease... You know how much power that requires?

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Thus my stance that merely flying through a neutron star, isn't overly impressive, and not high-herald worthy, imo.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
So if you annihinate matter and antimatter it just goes "poof" and nothing happens? I don't buy that.

That's not what I said.

Annihilation is not accompanied by a rapidly increasing volume. An explosion is. Annihilation is, simply put, the conversion of a certain amount of matter's rest mass into an equivalent amount of energy. It's a very energetic 'reaction,' but one that does not create an increasing volume.

Anyway what about Ult. Thor?

How about Wondra to high meta?

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/441/scan0004jc5.jpg

Originally posted by Pulse
Looks like one of these.

So I'd guess around 130 tons.

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That would, most likely, be 130 tons dry weight. They have a fuel capacity of 2500 gallons. So you'd have to do some math, based on how full the tank might have been, to get a total of what she's lifting.

One gallon is, around, 7lbs.

So, (7*2500) /2000 + 130 = 138.75 tons if the tank is full.
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Originally posted by Pulse
She'd have to be durable (if they're using any sort of physics system).

If she's lifting almost 140 tons the suit would have to be able to stiffen up and take the pressing weight while it was over her head.

It would also have to deal with the sheer (shear?) forces as she lifted it, not to mention torsional forces on the joints.

Though, with the list of items that could be in the suit, she could have made it lighter some how.

Also, if we stick with the estimated weight (just under 140 tons) the amount of pressure she could exert in a punch (though it might not move fast enough to connect) would be pretty impressive. And, if she's being a good stockgirl and lifting with her legs, the amount of pressure in a kick would be enough to punt a full size truck a good distance.

All in all she should be crazy strong. Even the guantlets of the suit would have to be pretty damn tough to allow her a strong enough grip to balance that much weight.

Though this leaves the problem of leverage though (having the ability to heft something is useless without the proper fulcrum to pivot it up and over, she'd honestly be to short), usually, this one is left out. 🙂

Oh, lastly, the ground would also have to be strong enough to support a couple dozen tons per square inch of pressure.

Though now I'm over-thinking it. 😛

Originally posted by Creshosk
New Warriors v4 #4 confirms a few things:
She CAN Fly using anti-grav discs
http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/7465/nw4dcp028oa0.jpg

and she hits pretty hard
http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/7344/nw4dcp029zx3.jpg

Got confirmation on something from earlier. Here she uses Psuedo Pym particles on Grey Gargoyle. New Warriors v4 #1
http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/8192/pymparticleshz2.jpg
http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/2103/pymparticles2iq5.jpg
http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/5600/pymparticles3yv7.jpg

The suit she's wearing might also be vibranium... courtesy of Night Trasher's ties to Wakandacorp
(The ties are confirmed not what her suit is made out of.)
http://img458.imageshack.us/img458/2996/nw4dcp008pg2.jpg

Originally posted by Creshosk
Both of these are from New Warriors v4 #5

Here she flys while holding a car over her head, slams it down on Taurus and it explodes (yeah I know) and takes the point blank explosion and the resulting shrapnel of her wailing away on the guy:
http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/7836/nw5dcp0017km0.jpg

More flying:
The New Warriors leave after the zodiac turned tail and ran
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/8351/nw5dcp0018an8.jpg

I'm not sure that = High Meta...there's a fair number even in mid that could be considered low Class 100's. But that's definitely the right area, and either one would likely be appropriate. Hopefully other people will add their thoughts.

Also, I'm updating page 1 with the list Val posted. Thanks.

Originally posted by Validus
[b]Sub-Skyfather (Transcendent)

Amazo, Appolyon, The Asgardian Destroyer, Black Racer, Blackheart, Blaze, Circe, Count Abyss, Death Urge, Despero, The Doctor, Dr. Fate, Dr. Manhattan, Dr. Strange (classic), Eclipso, Elders of the Universe (minus Ego), Fernus, The General (Shaggy Man), Gog, Gray Man, High Evolutionary, Ion (current), Jenny Quantum, The Keeper, King Thor, Magus (original), Mangog, Mongul I (Pre Crisis), Nightmare, Onimar Synn, Onslaught, Queen of Fables, Resurrection Man 1 Million, Sentinel (Alan Scott), Silver Age Kryptonians/Daxamites, Solomon Grundy (Peak), Solusandra, Stayne, Strange Visitor, Sun Eater, Superboy Prime, Superman 1 Million, Takion, Talisman, Thanos, Tyrant (powered down), Validus

Herald

High
Adam Warlock, Baron Zemo (w/ Moonstones), Cyborg Superman, The Eradicator (Fortress Mode), Genis-Vell, Green Lantern (Hal, Kyle, Alan), Infinity-Man, Majestic, Moonstone (w/ both stones), Qztr, The Sentry, The Silver Surfer, Sinestro, Spartan 3.0, Stardust, Superman (including B/R and AS), Thor, The Void

Middle
Alexander Nero, Beta Ray Bill, Binary, Black Adam, Black Bolt, Cable (Full Power), Captain Atom, Cpt. Comet, Captain Marvel (DC), Count Nefaria, Damien Hellstrom, Doomsday, Evinlea, The Fallen One, Firelord, Firestorm, The Flash III (Wally West), The Flash IV (Bart Allen), General Zod, Gladiator, Green Lantern (Guy, John, Katma, Kilowog), Hyperion, Ikaris, Imperiex Probes, Kid Omega, Lobo, Loki, Magus (Post-IG), Martian Manhunter, Maxima, Mon-El, Morg, Nate Grey, Orion, Quasar, Rachel Summers (Phoenix II), Red Shift, Sersi, Skreet, Supergirl, Supreme, Swamp Thing, Terrax the Tamer, Void, Waverider, Wildfire, Wonder Woman

Low
Absorbing Man, Air Walker, Animal Man, Apocalypse, Apollo, Argent, The Atom, Aztek, Bizarro Superman, Breach, Cassandra Nova, Cir-El, Damage, Darkness, Darwin, Death's Head 3.0, Death Metal, Dr. Doom, Dr. Invincible, Dr. Light, Dr. Polaris, Drax The Destroyer, Engineer, Etrigan, Exodus, Fin Fang Foom, The Flash II (Barry Allen), Gammid, Gamora (w/Godslayer), Gilgamesh, Gorilla Grodd, Graviton, Green Lantern (Soranik Natu), Guardian I (James Hudson), He-Man, Hector Hammond, Hulk, Iceman, Isis, Jade, Jack Hawksmoor (in city), Jack of Hearts, Jericho, Juggernaut (Classic), Kalibak, Karate Kid, Lightray, Living Monolith, Lunatik, Madison Jeffries (BOX IV), Magneto, Major Force, Makkari, Man-Beast, Manchester Black, Mar-Vell, Matrix Supergirl, Meggan, Mongul, Monica Rambeau (Pulsar), Mr. M, Nova (Frankie Raye), Nova Richard Rider (current), Plastic Man, Prime, Professor X, Raven, The Ray, Red Tornado, Ronan the Accuser, Saturn Girl, Selene (External), Shadow King, Shaman, Starhawk, Super Skrull, Superboy, Tempest, Ultra Boy, Ultra-Humanite, Ultron, Union, Vulcan, Wendigo, Winter, Zauriel

Metahuman (Mid-tier "Iron Man" level)

High
Abomination, Adam Strange, Aquaman, Ares (Marvel), Atlas, Aurora, Batman 1 Million, Battalion (Jackson King), Blastaar, Blob, BOX I (Roger Bochs), Captain Britain, Captain Marvel Jr, Colossus, Death's Head II, Donna Troy, Emma Frost, Ghost Rider II, Grim Reaper, Guardian II (Heather Hudson), Havok, Hellstrike, Hercules (Mortal), Holocaust, The Human Torch, Invisible Woman, Iron-Man, Jean Grey (sans Phoenix), Jenny Sparks, Juggernaut (Depowered), Kang, Living Laser, Manbot, Mandarin, Mary Marvel, Maul, Mercer Drake, Metallo, Mimic (Exiles), Miss Martian, Mr. Fantastic, Mr. Sinister, Namor the Sub-Mariner, Nightshade, Nimrod, Northstar, Ocean Master, Osiris, Pitt, Polaris, Power Girl, Psylocke, Radioactive Man, Sand, Sasquatch, Shassa, She-Hulk, Starfire, Storm, Supernova, Temugin, The Thing, Thunderstrike, The Tick, Ulik, Ultimo, Vision, War Machine, Windshear, Wonder Man, Zzaxx

Middle
Aegis, Atom Smasher, Attuma, Balder, Beast Boy, Bishop, Blink, Blue Beetle (Jamie Reyes), Blue Devil, Bombshell, Booster Gold, Carnage, Cloak, Corrin, Crystal, Cyborg, Cyclops, Death's Head, Death Wreck, Dust, Electro, Elijah Snow, Enchantress, Farenheit, Flint, Fuji, Ghost Rider (Johnny Blaze), Ghost Rider(Dan Ketch), Grace Choi, Hawkgirl, Hawkman, Hellion, The Flash I (Jay Garrick), Kymaera/Namorita, Lightning Lad, Matua, M.O.D.O.K., Moonstone, Morlun, Ms. Marvel, Nico Minoru, Ogun, Quicksilver (classic), Ragman, Rogue, rom, Shadowcat, Shift, Steel, Terra, Thunder, Tiger Shark, Toxin, Vance Astro, Vengeance, Wonder Girl

Low
3-D Man, Ambrose Chase, Angel, Arachne, Arana, Azrael, Beast, Black Canary, Black Tarantula, Blade, Blue Beetle (Dan Garrett), Bruenor Battlehammer, Century, Charcoal, Charlie 27, Constrictor, Creeper, Cyber, Dagger, Deathlok, Deathstroke the Terminator, Doc Ock, Drizzt Do'Urden, Elixer, Falcon, Firehawk, Gambit, Green Goblin, Hobgoblin, Iron Fist, Jakita Wagner, Karnak, Kid Devil, Killer Croc, Klaw, Lady Deathstrike, Longshot, Luke Cage, Machine Man, Man-Bat, Mercury, Midnighter, Mister Hyde, Molly Hayes, Multiple Man, Mysterio, Mystique, Nightcrawler, Nova Richard Rider (classic), Nuke, Omega Red, Orka Humbug, Prometheus, Protocide, Puck, Puma, Rage, Sabretooth, Shang Chi, Silver Samurai, Speedball, Speedfreek, Spider-Man, Spider-Man 2099, Spider-Woman, Swift, Thunder Cats, Tombstone, Triathalon, Vance Astro, Vanguard, Venom, Vermin, Victor Mancha, Vulture, Warlock (Technarchy/Phalanx), Warpath, Wildchild, Wizard, Wolverine, Wulfgar

Street Level

High
Bane, Batgirl, Batman, Black Cat, Black Panther, Blacklash, Bronze Tiger, Bullseye, Captain America, The Cat, Constantine Drakon, Daredevil, Elektra, Green Arrow, Hawkeye, Hush, Kingpin, Lady Shiva, Ravager, Red Skull, Richard Dragon, Taskmaster, Union Jack, X-23, Nightwing, Red Hood

Middle
Arsenal/Red Arrow, Baron Zemo, Blue Beetle (Ted Kord), Crossbones, Deadshot, Echo, Grifter, Joker, Mach IV, Misty Knight, Moon Knight, Nick Fury, Nomad, Peacemaker, Punisher, Ra's Al Ghul, Rose Tattoo, Turok, Wildcat, Robin

Low
Alfred, Batroc, Black Widow, Catwoman, Christine Trelane, Colleen Wing, Night Thrasher, Obregon Kaine, Penguin, The Question, Riddler, Talia, White Tiger [/B]