I don't know about Ms. Marvel, physically she isn't as impressive as some of the bricks in the high meta class -Powergirl is superior in everyway, so is Namor-; her powers are not in the class of pure manipulators -Jenny Sparks?- and she has a limited number of feats with them.
Maybe Ms. Marvel can absorb a nuke, but if she cannot put its energy into damage afterwards she is basically using a shield.
Originally posted by Nihilist
carol been bad ass as of latefor ms marvel to high meta
"of late"
Do a few good showings warrant a tier move for a character who doesn't deserve it otherwise?
Originally posted by Bentley
I don't know about Ms. Marvel, physically she isn't as impressive as some of the bricks in the high meta class -Powergirl is superior in everyway, so is Namor-; her powers are not in the class of pure manipulators -Jenny Sparks?- and she has a limited number of feats with them.Maybe Ms. Marvel can absorb a nuke, but if she cannot put its energy into damage afterwards she is basically using a shield.
Co-signed.
And how big was the nuke? The word gets thrown around a lot, but can mean a lot of different explosion levels. No on in high meta would be bothered by something like this, and the few that would have other advantages that place them there. Even some mid metas would survive comfortably.
Originally posted by Cavalier
I've never really understood why Mr. Fantastic is high meta.He's got decent durability and sub par stretching... a couple of feats that put him at high meta, but mostly he's just a stretchy Puck, who is low meta.
A good question. Rep maybe, or some latent "well, just let him stay there" because of his prep potential as well (which we don't include in the tier determinations). I'd say his intelligence, however, can be used as something that determines overall "power" since he often uses it to great affect even in non-prep situations. Borderline, sure, but I have no problem with him there.
Well Carol does have an Uber healing factor now...or did she lose that? And did mess an blood thirsty Sentry up in that Mighty Avengers issue by absorbing his energy and smacked him into the sea....I'm on the fence with her since she can amp her stats up by absorbing energy. Last year I would have said no.
Just looked at the groupings and I think the criteria for being a Mid Meta seems a bit ambiguous...the powerset range is a bit vast. We have Hellion, Moonstone, Terra and Ms. Marvel in the same category as say Current Rogue. Some could actually fit in the High Meta given the versatility of their powerset but they'd be in the Low High Meta part of the group...this is rather difficult to judge. 😬
Actually feck it I'm against Ms. Marvel to mid-meta.
Originally posted by Starscream M
Really? I actually don't see any in the high meta (from a cursory glance) who could survive a real nuke.
Which begs the question of how large an explosion the nuke is creating. The definition of "nuke" on the forums varies wildly.
But in any case, you're wrong. Not only could they, but multiple characters in high meta have survived nukes, even at point blank range. Like I said earlier, the tier is being underestimated.
Originally posted by jalek moye
i dont see how thing can be there but not him
Faulty logic. He should be there if his power set warrants it. Or not if it doesn't. Not because of 1 other person in the tier.
As it is, I'd move Thing down if it were me.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Well Carol does have an Uber healing factor now...or did she lose that? And did mess an blood thirsty Sentry up in that Mighty Avengers issue by absorbing his energy and smacked him into the sea....I'm on the fence with her since she can amp her stats up by absorbing energy. Last year I would have said no.Just looked at the groupings and I think the criteria for being a Mid Meta seems a bit ambiguous...the powerset range is a bit vast. We have Hellion, Moonstone, Terra and Ms. Marvel in the same category as say Current Rogue. Some could actually fit in the High Meta given the versatility of their powerset but they'd be in the Low High Meta part of the group...this is rather difficult to judge. 😬
Actually feck it I'm against Ms. Marvel to mid-meta.
I meant against Ms. Marvel to High-Meta...😛
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Which begs the question of how large an explosion the nuke is creating. The definition of "nuke" on the forums varies wildly.But in any case, you're wrong. Not only could they, but multiple characters in high meta have survived nukes, even at point blank range. Like I said earlier, the tier is being underestimated.
I'm thinking a real nuke, like the ones 'we've' used.
Didn't a nuke decimate many high metas, even herald levels in Kingdom Come?
The thing about a nuke is that it isn't just a regular explosion, it is an atomic reaction that at point zero would seriously render even diamond to dust...so unless these high metas have some serious forcefield or stronger than diamond skin, I really don't see how they can survive a nuke at point blank.
But I can accept being wrong.
Originally posted by Starscream M
I'm thinking a real nuke, like the ones 'we've' used.Didn't a nuke decimate many high metas, even herald levels in Kingdom Come?
The thing about a nuke is that it isn't just a regular explosion, it is an atomic reaction that at point zero would seriously render even diamond to dust...so unless these high metas have some serious forcefield or stronger than diamond skin, I really don't see how they can survive a nuke at point blank.
But I can accept being wrong.
Even in the "real" world, there are lots of different power levels for nuclear explosions. And so-called mini nukes are the same force, but in a much smaller concentration. Often when we use the term nuke in comics, that what is being referred to, not the mushroom-cloud city-vaporizers that first pop to mind. So usually some clarification is needed before "nuke surviver" can be accurately judged.
Originally posted by Starscream M
I'm thinking a real nuke, like the ones 'we've' used.Didn't a nuke decimate many high metas, even herald levels in Kingdom Come?
The thing about a nuke is that it isn't just a regular explosion, it is an atomic reaction that at point zero would seriously render even diamond to dust...so unless these high metas have some serious forcefield or stronger than diamond skin, I really don't see how they can survive a nuke at point blank.
But I can accept being wrong.
Is the Nuke thing from Mighty Avengers? Wasn't that down to her healing factor that's greater then Wolverine's?
Emma's Diamond Form allowed her to survive the Sentinel attack on Genosha which involved a number of things as well as wild Sentinels that assimilated, everything they even transformed humans into Sentinel type beings...the radiation levels were also off the charts after the attack.
But I don't think her Diamond Form is what makes her High Meta.
Originally posted by DigiMark007for me a real nuke would be the one depicted in Kingdom Come, which pretty much wiped out anyone within close radius (high metas, and even herald levels), which in my opinion is what a nuke would do
Even in the "real" world, there are lots of different power levels for nuclear explosions. And so-called mini nukes are the same force, but in a much smaller concentration. Often when we use the term nuke in comics, that what is being referred to, not the mushroom-cloud city-vaporizers that first pop to mind. So usually some clarification is needed before "nuke surviver" can be accurately judged.
a fake nuke is the type of bomb that incinerated wolverine but had virtually no blast radius...it was a misnomer in my opinion to call such a weak bomb a nuke
I guess the term nukes are being tossed around too lightly in comics...for a nuke isn't just a bomb that creates a large explosion, but rather there is an reaction on the atomic level
Originally posted by Starscream M
for me a real nuke would be the one depicted in Kingdom Come, which pretty much wiped out anyone within close radius (high metas, and even herald levels), which in my opinion is what a nuke would doa fake nuke is the type of bomb that incinerated wolverine but had virtually no blast radius...it was a misnomer in my opinion to call such a weak bomb a nuke
I guess the term nukes are being tossed around too lightly in comics...for a nuke isn't just a bomb that creates a large explosion, but rather there is an reaction on the atomic level
Even smaller bombs, like the Wolverine one, in comics or the real world, have an atomic reaction. It's just a matter of how large the explosion is that is created...because not all nuclear reactions are of the same size and split the same number of atoms.
So nuke is the proper term. The same reaction takes place, even though the levels differ.
Originally posted by Cavalier
Iirc, the nuke that Carol absorbed allowed her to oneshot Sentry.I think... mmm
Was it the nuke or was that the nuke and the chunk of Sentry's power she absorbed?
Edit you're right, I just checked it was a just the nuke and One-Shotted a bloodlusted Sentry who just punked Ultron and ripped part of it's neck and one-shotted Wonderman.
She can still get to Binary levels through amping...so I retract my vote I just don't care anymore. 😛