KMC Comic Book Tiers

Originally posted by Bentley
Kang has three votes to low herald: Me, Digi and Endrict. One against: llagrok.

Three votes to Krypto for low herald: Me, Avlon and Endrict.

I vote against Ms. Marvel to high, not sure how the voting goes there.

There isn't an exact science. A lot don't get voted on enough to move up/down and they just die off. But if a clear majority vote one way or another, I make the move.

I'm leaving Kang for now. We can continue to discuss and vote if we want.

I'm putting Krypto at low herald. I can't imagine him anywhere else, and no one is objecting.

And Carol's staying at mid. Despite heated debate, there's 4-5 against her moving to high. We don't have nearly the support to justify bumping ehr up, even if another few votes came in.

I'd also advise against a Magneto sh*tstorm. We've done them before, and there's always a lot of sound and fury, and he ends up staying where he is. He's a great low herald. But it's nigh-impossible to get votes to put him up to mid.

Cassandra Nova assraped Xavier when he was hooked up to Cerebra, which amplifies his powers 11 times. She tore through the imperial guardians and x-men with little trouble. Low herald is a tad low in my opinion D:

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Alright but I don't feel he's done anything with those upgrades that would place him above most of the others listed in his current tier.

BTW Phoenix saved the Universe and then her powers were kept in check by Circuit Breakers. She was limited to Storms power level.

[b]X-Men Companion II (1982)

Towards the bottom of the first page and continues on the following page.

I actually remember it being stated in the comics...I can't remember which though. Where are the Storm fanboys when you need them. It could be around the time when they installed the Circuit Breakers actually...I'll have to go and look. [/B]

Like I said, he hasn't really had the chance to truly demonstrate his power because he just hasn't faced anyone who can truly test his capabilities. Besides, Thor, Phoenix, testing Cosmic Spiderman (pre-discorporation upgrade), Dani (while his powers were in pretty much a critical condition) and Legion (pre AoA, while being friends with Xavier and practically barely knowing his own power), he hasn't had that many challenging oponnents. I'm no counting the him apparently one-shotting Hulk & Dr Strange because it's pretty much PIS, considering the power-level he supposdley had during that period.

That's why, imo, it should be judged based on powerset, feats & experience. He has no obvious weakness as to why he shouldn't be at this level. Defensively, he has very high telepathical and physicall resistance, and I'm not even counting his shields. He controls the Earth's Magnetic Field/the Entire Electromagnetic Spectrum. Blanketed the entire globe with an EMP. Wormhole. The cloaking feat I mentioned earlier. There are also some interesting feats of him apparently teleporting himself and others on waves of magnetic force. And many, many other energy manipulation feats.

I'd be gratefull if you'd tell me the comic with the Storm/Phoenix powerlevel 🙂

Originally posted by Philosophía
Like I said, he hasn't really had the chance to truly demonstrate his power because he just hasn't faced anyone who can truly test his capabilities. Besides, Thor, Phoenix, testing Cosmic Spiderman (pre-discorporation upgrade), Dani (while his powers were in pretty much a critical condition) and Legion (pre AoA, while being friends with Xavier and practically barely knowing his own power), he hasn't had that many challenging oponnents. I'm no counting the him apparently one-shotting Hulk & Dr Strange because it's pretty much PIS, considering the power-level he supposdley had during that period.

That's why, imo, it should be judged based on powerset, feats & experience. He has no obvious weakness as to why he shouldn't be at this level. Defensively, he has very high telepathical and physicall resistance, and I'm not even counting his shields. He controls the Earth's Magnetic Field/the Entire Electromagnetic Spectrum. Blanketed the entire globe with an EMP. Wormhole. The cloaking feat I mentioned earlier. There are also some interesting feats of him apparently teleporting himself and others on waves of magnetic force. And many, many other energy manipulation feats.

I'd be gratefull if you'd tell me the comic with the Storm/Phoenix powerlevel 🙂

You see that, same kind of logic could also apply to people like Powergirl but I don't think the list works that way.

I'll have to PM 2damnloud or Rutog98 for the issue number unfortunately I can't find the reference in the comics.

I found the psychic breakers thing though:
http://img233.imageshack.us/my.php?image=officialhandbookofthemals5.jpg
http://img90.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncannyxmen11418lpjpgdy3.jpg
http://img363.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uxm125pg10lh9.jpg

Although

Here's more on the Storm power level thing:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y192/valechan/phoenixvsstorm.jpg

While his powerset itself has potential the Unified Field Theory etc...the same logic would apply to Graviton or Exodus as their powersets could also potentially allow them to control the 4 fundamental forces. Exodus was manipulating matter on a sub atomic level, Graviton controls the other fundamental force Gravity. Then we have Cassandra Nova who would pretty much own any of the 3 I named and could be said to be more versatile then any mutant as she has access to any powers in the mutant genome and can also mimic the DNA of others.

Anyway I'll try and find the scan for you and avoid turning this into a Magneto sh*tfest as per Digi's wishes.

If it comes to a vote I'm against the move.

You see that, same kind of logic could also apply to people like Powergirl but I don't think the list works that way.

There is a difference between the PowerGirl situation and this one because unlike her, he has the feats to prove he belongs to that tier, eventough those are not one-on-one against mid-herald level characters. Powerset also counts, because she is more physicall-based while Magneto is energy-based, being easier for him to demonstrate his power without having to fight a mid-herald specifically. +

I'll have to PM 2damnloud or Rutog98 for the issue number unfortunately I can't find the reference in the comics.

I'd rather search through all the Uncanny X-Men issues for hours in a row than to get those two involved ..

I found the psychic breakers thing though:
http://img233.imageshack.us/my.php?...kofthemals5.jpg
http://img90.imageshack.us/my.php?i...418lpjpgdy3.jpg
http://img363.imageshack.us/my.php?...m125pg10lh9.jpg

Although

Here's more on the Storm power level thing:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y1...enixvsstorm.jpg

Cool, but I already knew Jean wasn't at her best when she fought Magneto, otherwise I don't think Magneto would really stand much of a chance.
From what I read on wikipedia, Cockrum didn't actually have any involvment in that story, and in the interview apparently talks more about what level Phoenix would be if he would have been the writer (it's taken out of context, so I can't really tell fo sure).And I rather interviews were not used, especially since it seems as if the answer is showed right at the guy's throat. Also, even if the scan is found, I find it pretty stupid for her to be at Storm's level.

While his powerset itself has potential the Unified Field Theory etc...the same logic would apply to Graviton or Exodus as their powersets could also potentially allow them to control the 4 fundamental forces. Exodus was manipulating matter on a sub atomic level, Graviton controls the other fundamental force Gravity.

No, not really. It is faulty logic to think that if Magneto can control one of the fundamental forces, has been stated and shown to have the potential to control the others, then if a character who can control one of the other fundamental such as Graviton can do the same thing. As for Cassandra Nova, I'm not really aversed in her, so I won't comment.
And though I have mentioned his potential control over the four fundamental forces in this discussion, I'm not actually using it as a point to sustain his position, otherwise I would have said high-herald. 😄

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
...as per Digi's wishes.

😊

If only everyone were so considerate.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
😊

If only everyone were so considerate.

...

Where would Superpro and Darkhawk fit in the tier?

Darkhawk is pretty strong, high meta?

I can't seem to find Hellboy, low meta would be good for him.

Hourman (Android) for mid herald.

Originally posted by llagrok
Darkhawk is pretty strong, high meta?

Yea Darkhawk is pretty strong. He can take out Venom. But he had a hard time against Ironman. I'll say Mid Meta at least.

tangeant superman(SuperMAN) for high herald

I think we should add Darkhawk to Mid Meta and Superpro to Middle Street Level.

Originally posted by Cavalier
Hourman (Android) for mid herald.

What's he done? Low might be better.

Mid Meta sounds good for Darkhawk. I'll add him at some point.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
What's he done? Low might be better.

Mid Meta sounds good for Darkhawk. I'll add him at some point.

He can move between pico seconds.

He can travel to any point in time with his ship.

Originally posted by Cavalier
He can depower or OHKO anyone that isn't immortal with his time vision. He can super accelerate or reverse the flow of time around anything that he looks at.

He can move between pico seconds.

He can travel to any point in time with his ship.

Heh. I saw the feat where he essentially froze Jay (back when Jay had the speed force). Didn't see much else though. Sounds fun.

Not sure the ship should be included in the discussion though. A base of operations isn't part of standard equipment, which is all we can include.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Heh. I saw the feat where he essentially froze Jay (back when Jay had the speed force). Didn't see much else though. Sounds fun.

Not sure the ship should be included in the discussion though. A base of operations isn't part of standard equipment, which is all we can include.

Where would Chewbacca from Star Wars go? High or mid street level?

Originally posted by DigiMark007

Mid Meta sounds good for Darkhawk. I'll add him at some point.

Awesome 😄 .

Originally posted by K-Dog
Where would Chewbacca from Star Wars go? High or mid street level?

We don't do Star Wars. Sorry. And probably mid.