Originally posted by ExodusCloakMeh.
Was it the nuke or was that the nuke and the chunk of Sentry's power she absorbed?
Still impressive that she could absorb that amount of energy, I think.
Add this on to her decent strength and speed, her energy powers and her now much higher status... she could be moved up a tier.
Originally posted by Cavalier
Meh.Still impressive that she could absorb that amount of energy, I think.
Add this on to her decent strength and speed, her energy powers and her now much higher status... she could be moved up a tier.
That is true, I haven't really gotten through all her SI tie-ins yet.
Magneto for mid-herald.
Seriously, he has the powerset, experience and showings.
Wormholes, taking control of body functions, shutting brains down, using the iron in the blood for various effects including mind control, shield which has been able to withstand attacks from Phoenix, Thor & She-Hulk etc, high end energy manipulation (the entire electromagnetic spectrum, with him possibly being able to affect the other fundamental forces since he has played with gravity aswell), high telepathy resistence, power working on a sub-atomic level and even the high physicall resistence and force (really high, despite what people think).
I don't see why not.
Originally posted by PhilosophíaYeah the guy has fne control over his power set but what he really lacks is the balls to the walls power output feats.
Magneto for mid-herald.Seriously, he has the powerset, experience and showings.
Wormholes, taking control of body functions, shutting brains down, using the iron in the blood for various effects including mind control, shield which has been able to withstand attacks from Phoenix, Thor & She-Hulk etc, high end energy manipulation (the entire electromagnetic spectrum, with him possibly being able to affect the other fundamental forces since he has played with gravity aswell), high telepathy resistence, power working on a sub-atomic level and even the high physicall resistence and force (really high, despite what people think).
I don't see why not.
And Iron Man has taken shots from High Heralds as well, doesn't put him on their levels and he is about as versatile as Magento is.
I don't know, to me, Magneto is somewhat the book definition of low herald, because I have a hard time seeing him in par with, lets say one-shot-a-planet Betaray Bill, or characters of that caliber. I guess the fact that we have never seen Magneto unleash his full power affects its a factor for me to see him like that.
Originally posted by llagrok
There aren't a lot of guys in mid herald that Magneto could give a decent fight. He's not even among the strongest ones in low herald.
Originally posted by Cavalier
Magneto's exactly where he should be.
In terms of showings, he's definitley among the most powerfull in his tier, and could put up a fight to most of those who would defeat him in the mid-tier category, while winning against others.
Why not ?
Originally posted by Philosophía
In terms of showings, he's definitley among the most powerfull in his tier, and could put up a fight to most of those who would defeat him in the mid-tier category, while winning against others.Why not ?
Who in the mid herald category would he defeat? I'm having a hard time picturing Magneto beating Dr.Light, Dr.Doom, CASSANDRA NOVA, Nova (both) Ronan, Mongul, Manchester Black, Mr.M, Ravenous and even Ultron. I wouldn't really put him above those, not in the least.
Originally posted by llagrokAnd I see him stalemating or coming very close with
Who in the mid herald category would he defeat? I'm having a hard time picturing Magneto beating Dr.Light, Dr.Doom, CASSANDRA NOVA, Nova (both) Ronan, Mongul, Manchester Black, Mr.M, Ravenous and even Ultron. I wouldn't really put him above those, not in the least.
Shadow King, Graviton, Iceman, Meggan, Vulcan, Exodus, Manchester Black, Snowbird, Guardian...
Some of those should earn the majority too.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
I don't think he does it often enough to be honest.
Does what, have high showings ?
Well, seeing as how he's facing the X-Men or below-herald level characters mostly, not cosmic-level characters, so it's understandable why he doesn't display high-end feats on a regular basis.
But when he did, he handled Thor relativly easily in two instances (I'm not even counting the JYM one since it's basically after the first few comics Magneto appeared in, and pre a few massive power-ups he had), fought and defeated Jean-Phoenix with Jean commenting on how she is Magneto's equal in power, after he was re-aged; withstanding an attack from Dani when she was attuned to the quantum reality of the Universe and then defeating her, all this while in the Genosha period when he was drastically depowered.
And of course, high-end energy manipulation feats, the top ones being the Wormhole and becoming quite literally invisible, even to Lockjaw who was described as being able to track a spor across the cosmos and BlackBolt, literally passing right by them.
Originally posted by PhilosophíaDani couldn't do shit with her powers.
withstanding an attack from Dani when she was attuned to the quantum reality of the Universe and then defeating her, all this while in the Genosha period when he was drastically depowered.
Originally posted by PhilosophíaMeh... Lockjaw has no tracking feats that I'm aware of that support anything close to that hyperbole.
And of course, high-end energy manipulation feats, the top ones being the Wormhole and becoming quite literally invisible, even to Lockjaw who was described as being able to track a spor across the cosmos and BlackBolt, literally passing right by them.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Does what, have high showings ?Well, seeing as how he's facing the X-Men or below-herald level characters mostly, not cosmic-level characters, so it's understandable why he doesn't display high-end feats on a regular basis.
But when he did, he handled Thor relativly easily in two instances (I'm not even counting the JYM one since it's basically after the first few comics Magneto appeared in, and pre a few massive power-ups he had), fought and defeated Jean-Phoenix with Jean commenting on how she is Magneto's equal in power, after he was re-aged; withstanding an attack from Dani when she was attuned to the quantum reality of the Universe and then defeating her, all this while in the Genosha period when he was drastically depowered.
And of course, high-end energy manipulation feats, the top ones being the Wormhole and becoming quite literally invisible, even to Lockjaw who was described as being able to track a spor across the cosmos and BlackBolt, literally passing right by them.
I helped make his Respect Thread. The incident where he controls Mljonir well that was Silver Age Mags and that wasn't any where near the same scale as say Graviton and it wasn't really a fight.
The second time in Avengers vs. X-Men that was a weaker version of Thor.(I don't know what was wrong with him, but I was told that, that Thor was weaker.)
The time where he fought Jean-Phoenix her powers were limited by psychic circuits. She was limited to Storms power level. I think it actually says that in the issue and Claremont states that in an interview in the X-Men Companion II IRRC.
Did he really do anything impressive against Dani? I don't remember him doing anything that impressive in that X-Force issue?
The Blackbolt thing was impressive but it was a cloaking feat...I'm not sure if that's Mid Herald Level worthy though. Mags is fine where he is for now. If you added Xorns feats then he might make it to Mid Level Herald but sadly that was retconned. (That Retcon was on drugs though so I doubt he'd make it even if it was counted)
Anyway this reminded me to post another feat in his Respect Thread. I found something in God Loves Man Kills. He takes a Psi-Blast from an Xavier who is not holding back.(Xavier is under the control of the Purifiers)
Re: KMC Comic Book Tiers
Originally posted by DigiMark007
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1. This list is based off of total "power" in all its forms. Individual matchups might mean that someone in a lower tier could beat someone in a higher tier, but we're basing the list on general power levels, not individual matchups.
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Besides, I'm not about to start debating Magneto's chances against each of the characters you two are listing, since that would be just stupid. Point is, his overall power and feats place imo, place him at mid-herald.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
I helped make his Respect Thread. The incident where he controls Mljonir well that was Silver Age Mags and that wasn't any where near the same scale as say Graviton and it wasn't really a fight.
The second time in Avengers vs. X-Men that was a weaker version of Thor.(I don't know what was wrong with him, but I was told that, that Thor was weaker.)The time where he fought Jean-Phoenix her powers were limited by psychic circuits. She was limited to Storms power level. I think it actually says that in the issue and Claremont states that in an interview in the X-Men Companion II IRRC.
Did he really do anything impressive against Dani? I don't remember him doing anything that impressive in that X-Force issue?
The Blackbolt thing was impressive but it was a cloaking feat...I'm not sure if that's Mid Herald Level worthy though. Mags is fine where he is for now. If you added Xorns feats then he might make it to Mid Level Herald but sadly that was retconned. (That Retcon was on drugs though so I doubt he'd make it even if it was counted)
Yes, you did make it, so you must know that Silver Age Magneto is weaker than later incarnations (post near-discorporation, afterwards him saying that he became more powerfull that even he imagined).
I don't know about the Storm reference, but I remember in one of the later issue saying that she was apparently burned out by her Universe-saving feat, or something like that. Anyway, I'm in no way suggesting that Magneto can stalemate/beat a top-form Phoenix, since that would be stupid, but him matching and beating her is an impressive feat nonetheless. And though it doesn't mean much, Banshee (lol) IIRC commented on how Magneto is radiating power he hasn't felt since Phoenix saved the Universe, so it could be possible the intention was so that Magneto would be at that level.
She took two of her attacks, and then took advantage of her being disoriented and knocked her out. Considering the state he was in, and the offensive capabilities she supposdley had, it's pretty impressive.
That cloaking feat implies a pretty impressive energy manipulation feat, especially considering the detecting-capabilities Lockjaw apparently has.
Anyway, it's late here, I've got work tomorrow, so yeah. I'll be on tomorrow and we can continue this.
Re: Re: KMC Comic Book Tiers
Originally posted by Philosophía
Besides, I'm not about to start debating Magneto's chances against each of the characters you two are listing, since that would be just stupid. Point is, his overall power and feats place imo, place him at mid-herald.Yes, you did make it, so you must know that Silver Age Magneto is weaker than later incarnations (post near-discorporation, afterwards him saying that he became more powerfull that even he imagined).
I don't know about the Storm reference, but I remember in one of the later issue saying that she was apparently burner out by her Universe-saving feat, or something like that. Anyway, I'm in no way suggesting that Magneto can stalemate/beat a top-form Phoenix, since that would be stupid, but him matching and beating her is an impressive feat nonetheless. And though it doesn't mean much, Banshee (lol) IIRC commented on how Magneto is radiating power he hasn't felt since Phoenix saved the Universe, so it could be possible the intention was so that Magneto would be at that level.
She took two of her attacks, and then took advantage of her being disoriented and knocked her out. Considering the state he was in, and the offensive capabilities she supposdley had, it's pretty impressive.
That cloaking feat implies a pretty impressive energy manipulation feat, especially considering the detecting-capabilities Lockjaw apparently has.
Anyway, it's late here, I've got work tomorrow, so yeah. I'll be on tomorrow and we can continue this.
Alright but I don't feel he's done anything with those upgrades that would place him above most of the others listed in his current tier.
BTW Phoenix saved the Universe and then her powers were kept in check by Circuit Breakers. She was limited to Storms power level.
X-Men Companion II (1982)
Towards the bottom of the first page and continues on the following page.
I actually remember it being stated in the comics...I can't remember which though. Where are the Storm fanboys when you need them. It could be around the time when they installed the Circuit Breakers actually...I'll have to go and look.
