KMC Comic Book Tiers

Legacy Genis (way way weaker than any other version of genis) goes head to head with the Silver Surfer and is doing well until the last two pages. And i'm supposed to believe the post-insane genis is going to be a high-herald. And get laughed at for saying the pre-insane genis was SS level.

http://img143.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=1bf6a_norrin1.jpg
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http://img140.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=c6dca_norrin3.jpg&loc=loc24
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http://img43.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=464a2_norrin6.jpg
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Vs. Omega (2x Galactus) Genis does about as good as Surfer, Strange, and Warlock do.

http://img9.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=85124_omegacl.jpg
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Pwns the Magus (this was post escaping the soul world so Magus was pretty much at his strongest ever):

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PRe insane genis was not SS level at all. Him fighting side by side SS is proof of absolutely nothing at all. SS was portrayed considerably superior to him in his own comic(captain marvel vol 3). SS feats also blow his out of the water.

However, Im actually for movin genis from the insane genis period and post insane genis period.

I don't see why we should be ranking Genis incarnations from years ago at all. Isn't it the most recent version we go by?

Originally posted by King Kandy
Legacy Genis (way way weaker than any other version of genis) goes head to head with the Silver Surfer and is doing well until the last two pages. And i'm supposed to believe the post-insane genis is going to be a high-herald. And get laughed at for saying the pre-insane genis was SS level.

http://img143.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=1bf6a_norrin1.jpg
http://img223.echo.cx/img223/2336/radd19zp.jpg
http://img140.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=c6dca_norrin3.jpg&loc=loc24
http://img216.echo.cx/img216/47/radd27mm.jpg
http://img213.echo.cx/img213/2918/radd37ka.jpg
http://img43.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=464a2_norrin6.jpg
http://img212.echo.cx/img212/1198/radd46oh.jpg
http://img139.echo.cx/img139/3031/radd59cw.jpg

Vs. Omega (2x Galactus) Genis does about as good as Surfer, Strange, and Warlock do.

http://img9.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=85124_omegacl.jpg
http://img23.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=85136_omegacl3.jpg

Pwns the Magus (this was post escaping the soul world so Magus was pretty much at his strongest ever):

http://img44.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=86096_starfox3.jpg

So a loss to Surfer, blasting Omega for a bit (which doesn't establish any kind of power level), and a headbutt before being roundhouse kicked? Color me apathetic.

Originally posted by batdude123
Lawlz @ low

I proposed her at mid.

😕

Originally posted by Digi
Also, does Zatanna at Mid sound fair? Unless there's objections, I'm going to place ehr on the list soon.

i don't think she should be on the tiers at all, given how her powers allow her to do pretty much anything she wants.

Originally posted by Raoul
i don't think she should be on the tiers at all, given how her powers allow her to do pretty much anything she wants.

So, she should be a Sub-SkyFather! 😱

Or...would that be Sub-SkyMother? 😕

Originally posted by The Scribe
So, she should be a Sub-SkyFather! 😱

Originally posted by kgkg
Are you serious?

I was asking, Raoul.

He's the one that said she could do what she wanted. 😉

Originally posted by Digi
I proposed her at mid.

😕

Shutty.

Originally posted by Digi
So a loss to Surfer, blasting Omega for a bit (which doesn't establish any kind of power level), and a headbutt before being roundhouse kicked? Color me apathetic.

Originally posted by Raoul
i don't think she should be on the tiers at all, given how her powers allow her to do pretty much anything she wants.

Eh, not ANYTHING. We don't know what she can do at full capacity yet is the real problem.

She is capable of warping space and time... aswell as destroying a universe in order to take down Zor (who used to fight Spectre).

She has high herald level feats, but her usual feats are somewhere around mid.

Looks like Kind Kandy's arguments are falling apart.

I'll support putting Zatanna at mid.

Originally posted by Konton
Eh, not ANYTHING. We don't know what she can do at full capacity yet is the real problem.

She is capable of warping space and time... aswell as destroying a universe in order to take down Zor (who used to fight Spectre).

She has high herald level feats, but her usual feats are somewhere around mid.

Sorry A.J or whoever it is this time.

Sock's votes usually don't get counted 😱

What a doucher.

Another thing.

Why is Cassandra Nova in the same tier as Xavier and BELOW Gladiator? Making someone piss their pants ought to at least prove that you're on par with them....

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Looks like Kind Kandy's arguments are falling apart.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Well the point is that the current Genis is far, far above the genis in those scans, who was pretty even with Surfer. Thus I am lead to believe the current Genis is above Surfer by a fairly large margin and belongs a tier up.

Again, those scans told me nothing, and certainly did nothing to convince me that he's "pretty even" with Surfer, whose power and versatility are far beyond what went on in those scans. Far beyond. It was a loss, an energy blast, and a headbutt that stunned Magus but didn't really hurt him. There's low heralds that could've recreated those feats.

I don't hate the point your making, and you may even be right. I just haven't seen enough to convince me.

Originally posted by King Kandy
I fail to see how Insane Genis can be below SS if Legacy went head to head with him and Insane Genis treated legacy like a powerless drunk.

ABC logic. Ok sometimes, but not always enough. Do his feats really stand up to Surfer's body of work? I know you think so, but others don't.

Originally posted by Digi
Again, those scans told me nothing, and certainly did nothing to convince me that he's "pretty even" with Surfer, whose power and versatility are far beyond what went on in those scans. Far beyond. It was a loss, an energy blast, and a headbutt that stunned Magus but didn't really hurt him. There's low heralds that could've recreated those feats.

I don't hate the point your making, and you may even be right. I just haven't seen enough to convince me.

The versatility argument is just silly. Insane Genis has manipulated time, spacial warps, helped recreate the universe, bringing back the dead (multiple times), done matter manip (changing that one alien planet into smiley faces and stuff), really he seemed like he could do pretty much anything.

Originally posted by Digi
ABC logic. Ok sometimes, but not always enough. Do his feats really stand up to Surfer's body of work? I know you think so, but others don't.

I have deliberately been using feats from Genis's worst incarnations to show his improvements in power since then. He has since shown the versatility I mentioned above, easily defeated beings that had King Thor scared, destroyed the entire Armada of the Shiar, Skrull, and Kree just by making them think they'd died (I challenge people to come up with any high-herald with a better TP feat than that), defeated Ely who had easily destroyed five star systems... It really baffles me how he is high herald.

Plus after he has sex, the girl's so unsatisfied by everyone else she kills herself. Maybe not much of a feat in terms of power but in terms of badass it's up there.

Originally posted by The Scribe
So, she should be a Sub-SkyFather! 😱

Or...would that be Sub-SkyMother? 😕

😂

i meant that she was too ambiguous to put in the tier.

Originally posted by Konton
Eh, not ANYTHING. We don't know what she can do at full capacity yet is the real problem.

that's exactly what i mean. as far as we know, she doesn't have an upper limit.

i think she's too ambigious for the thread, is all i'm saying.

If people want to make her mid herald, that's fine with me, though.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Um, Legacy was fighting Surfer for several pages without a clear lead on either side, while trying to talk to him instead of fighting wholeheartedly. Surfer one but it took him a while of fighting whereas Insane Genis just laughed Legacy (and his second incarnation who was way stronger) off and easily overcame them. Legacy has also taken shots from Tyrant without any serious damage. And again compared to his later version Legacy was just a powerless drunkard, he didn't even have cosmic awareness.

I won't comment on Current Genis since I would agree that he is > Surfer. But Legacy or even early CM wasn't as powerful as Surfer.

Originally posted by King Kandy
I fail to see how Insane Genis can be below SS if Legacy went head to head with him and Insane Genis treated legacy like a powerless drunk.

Morg defeated the Surfer, and yet he's below him.
Cassandra Nova defeated Gladiator and yet she's below him.
Apocalypse defeated Ikaris, yet he's below him.
Apocalypse went head to head with the High Evolutionary, yet he's several tiers below him.
Firelord went head to head with the Surfer, yet he's below him.
Kurse defeated the Surfer and Thor at the same time, yet he's in the same tier.

This list is not based on who beats who. And Legacy seems to be a majority inconsistency if he can supposedly take so many hits from Tyrant, yet can't fish out a lead against the Surfer.