When any herald consistantly stands up to the level of people alan does and does a decent job of doing it let me know,or when any herald has enough energy in them at any one time that it would annihilate a solar system if unleashed,alan as sentinel is immortal doesn't actually need to bleed has a nigh infinite power source to draw on that can do practically anything he imagines it to and usually does a very good job of hanging with people like mordru who are well above herald level.
In the Black Celestial saga Thor said he could, also the narration stated that his godblast would destroy a planet. He has also absorbed energy from a star which is greater than a planet, and even enough energy to destroy 1/5th of the universe. Also him and BRB combined used their hammers to destroy a portal that was almost as large as a galactic core.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
In the Black Celestial saga Thor said he could, also the narration stated that his godblast would destroy a planet. He has also absorbed energy from a star which is greater than a planet, and even enough energy to destroy 1/5th of the universe. Also him and BRB combined used their hammers to destroy a portal that was almost as large as a galactic core.
The recorded stated that one of Thor's energy blasts were powerful enough to destroy a planet.
Originally posted by Digi
Most in the herald tiers? Doubtful. I'd venture to say almost no one could in low herald. Maybe some of the mids, and the majority of the highs. But there's a difference from being able to destroy a planet and being able to one-shot it. Sentinel pretty clearly can one-shot. And I don't count more than a handful of high heralds who can do that. Maybe Surfer. Maybe some incarnation of Superman (AS?). Maybe Thor? I doubt even him. No, that kind of raw power is reserved for those in Trans, the likes of which really can one-shot planets, or toss them around like SBP.I maintain that he has as much raw power as any high herald, and more than all but possibly Surfer. Hal and Kyle have more versatility feats, granted. But not power. Anything they've done on that level has been with some sort of powerup (Parallax, Ion, etc.)
my bad. 😮 i meant high heralds, but there are certainly a few mids who could one-shot a planet as well. most of the high heralds could do so.
When any herald consistantly stands up to the level of people alan does and does a decent job of doing it let me know,
such as? who are all these people alan 'stands up against' so consistently?
or when any herald has enough energy in them at any one time that it would annihilate a solar system if unleashed
enyalus already pointed out ss has done this.
alan as sentinel is immortal
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doesn't actually need to bleed has a nigh infinite power source to draw on that can do practically anything he imagines it to and usually does a very good job of hanging with people like mordru who are well above herald level.
i can get you scans of ss OVERPOWERING mephisto IN HELL, if you'd like. all the rest is nothing no other high herald can't claim. quasar's source is 'infinite'. genis's source is 'infinite'. etc . . .
i keep hearing about the mordru battle, but it takes a lot more than a single showing against a powerful opponent to justify a placement.
to he clear--i don't dislike alan in the least. if it's justified keeping him there, sweet! but i just don't get it. trans should be CLEARLY higher than herald, imo (when you mention trans, you're thinking about someone who approaches skyfather-cosmic-levels, not 'just-sneaks-in-above-the-herald-level). in that same vein, i'd move to have despero DROPPED to high herald as well. 😬 and he's a character i REALLY like.
Originally posted by leonidas
there are certainly a few mids who could one-shot a planet as well. most of the high heralds could do so.
I doubt this, tbh. But we've come to an impasse. Nice chatting with you. For the record, I think you might be right or might not. I've just been taking the counter-stance because no one else seemed up to it.
I won't be voting, as I still believe he's a borderline character. But it's up for a vote, and leo's against. Anyone can peruse the last couple pages for the debate and a few scans if they wish.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
I posted scans of Thor beating his own friends, the legions of hell and then after many hours, overpowering Mephisto.Whose feat is more impressive?
Kinda not the issue. He brought it up in reference to the Alan Scott discussion, not anything having to do with the forum's man-crush on Thor v. Surfer.
Originally posted by id369
Kyle destroyed a planet, destroyed a sun, created a black hole, absorbed a black hole, helped pull the moon, stabilized the Earth (twice), recreated a planet to stand in Pluto's place.
But to reiterate, for Alan Sentinel to HH.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Again Trick, that's a matter of opinion and there are plenty who disagree. Personally, I think it's ridiculous to assume that he's on the low end of the Trans list when Odin was unable to put him down for the count BEFORE his last upgrade(after which he took down the Maker and blew Galactus out the side of his ship).I'd agree except that like Tyrant, we haven't seen much in regards to what it would take to put Thanos down for the count. About the only guys who've came out of direct confrontations looking better before his last upgrade was Tyrant and Odin, and neither of them had anywhere close to an easy battle with him. And after his upgrade the only one to chump him(aside from the Plot Device known as Drax) was a well fed Galactus, and that was after Thanos nearly took him out astrally and went on to blow G some distance out the side of his ship. He easily qualifies as a low end skyfather IMO given some of the low end showings of guys like Zeus and Mephisto. I mean don't get me wrong because I know how the list works so I'm not really trying to get the Titian removed, I just figured I'd give my reasoning behind my earlier statements about the Mad Titan.
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Trick's list of who could beat thanos is a complete joke.
Through his position, battle-showings and source of power he is undoubtably above conventional Green Lanterns and in the transcendent tier. Essentially he is a juiced-up Green Lantern that is regarded as one of the most powerfull beings in the Universe, constantly being described as his team's powerhouse and capable of at least matching high-end magicians like Dr Fate.
Originally posted by Digi
Then why list them in the first place if you knew this? Also, "I am not certain" doesn't make me confident that we can consider any of that non-Ion definitively.
Did a quick research.
JLA #58, it took place in 2001 albeit it falls under the feats being questioned through Green Lantern tapping into Parallax energies.
Originally posted by Digi
Wasn't he still Ion for a time after the Rebirth? Or am I confusing chronology?
No he became a Green Lantern, when he reignated the Central Battery, and revived the Gurdians (giving up his Omnipotent powers in the processes).
That feat took place in v3, he didnt become the Current Ion at around v4 (issues 18-21ish).