KMC Comic Book Tiers

Originally posted by Creshosk
Little boy yielded a 12 kilton payload. The scan said that the resulting explosion would make 12 kilotons look like a sparkler. A large mining and excavation site might use something like 4000 pounds of dynamite to complete a single blast - a "2 ton explosion". so roughly in the "thousands of times stronger" than an excavation explosion, or equivalent to a million or so sticks of dynamite.

So I'm guessing that the explosion was supposed to be in the megaton range or about 1000 times stronger than the Hiroshima bomb and equivalent to a billion or more sticks of dynamite.

You'd need about 40,000,000 sticks of dynamite to equal the hiroshima bomb. and a thousand times that to make it look like a sparkler. at 40,000,000,000 dynamite = 2000 btu; hiroshima 80,000,000 btu

Now was the train filled with a billion sticks of dynamite? Let alone 40 billion?

Jubilee to mid meta.

Experience and how chraracters are portrayed should have a impact on this tier list, if not this list should be redone.

Originally posted by darthgoober
You never actually answered when I asked if we were supposed to base it off of powerset alone like CBR and ignore how the characters are portrayed. If so I agree with the move, but if were judging off of what they've actually shown then I'm against it. I mean we have guys like Klaw, Firehawk, Warpath, Ironfist, and Warlock in the low meta tier, and I'd say that any of them are easily Jubilee's equal in raw power.

I'd personally be for a couple of those to move up.

I don't know what "like CBR" means, so I can't really comment on that. But I thought I already answered it:

Originally posted by Digi
Status actually isn't a factor. It just became an unofficial one some time ago for a few people in regards to the High Herald tier. Why, I'm not sure. It should not be considered.

Originally posted by Digi
If we start including status, however, there doesn't seem to be anything resembling an objective way to handle it. As such, if you want to use it as a tiebreaker if a character is between two tiers (much like we sometimes do with prep, which isn't technically considered either), it's an acceptable opinion. But status shouldn't change a character's placement.

In essence, we're providing rough tiers for KMC standard vs. battles. If Jubilee were in a vs. battle, in standard format assuming peak abilities, where would she be? That's what we're answering. We're not talking about status or portrayal in comics from an importance standpoint. There's no good way to mesh the two, so we have to pick our poison. And since the original purpose of this thread was a guideline for those making vs. battles, that the one we choose.

Sorry if I wasn't clear. Hopefully that helps.

"In essence, we're providing rough tiers for KMC standard vs. battles. If Jubilee were in a vs. battle, in standard format assuming peak abilities, where would she be? That's what we're answering. We're not talking about status or portrayal in comics from an importance standpoint. There's no good way to mesh the two, so we have to pick our poison. And since the original purpose of this thread was a guideline for those making vs. battles, that the one we choose".

So, "we're not talking about status or portrayal in comics from an importance standpoint", but its the idea of matching people up with in their own level in the VS thread.

Full Capacity
It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels.

However this states we using characters at Full Capacity but still within the character's personality.

So, in the VS forum are we not using characters experience and personality (based on this tier list) or we are (based on the rules of the VS forum). Which one is it?

Originally posted by The Nuul
Experience and how chraracters are portrayed should have a impact on this tier list, if not this list should be redone.

and as I recall, you voted for him to remain in mid, seems like your being a hypcocrit to be honest.

Originally posted by Digi
I'd personally be for a couple of those to move up.

I don't know what "like CBR" means, so I can't really comment on that. But I thought I already answered it:

In essence, we're providing rough tiers for KMC standard vs. battles. If Jubilee were in a vs. battle, in standard format assuming peak abilities, where would she be? That's what we're answering. We're not talking about status or portrayal in comics from an importance standpoint. There's no good way to mesh the two, so we have to pick our poison. And since the original purpose of this thread was a guideline for those making vs. battles, that the one we choose.

Sorry if I wasn't clear. Hopefully that helps.

Aside from that, even her more impressive feats aren't really beyond the capabilities of people in lower than the Mid-Mid Meta Tier. I mean yeah she practically blew up a house but Gambit or Batman(with the explosives he carries around in his utility belt) could do the same thing. I don't really see the Mid-Mid Meta tier as the place for city destroyers like Kris, but I think most of the energy manipulators there should at least be able to take out a city block with a fair amount of ease.

We just cant rate based on partial bits for each character, we should rate them as a whole. This list is not about who can beat who but we use it as an reference for the VS forum.

Okkk....

1 for high
batdude123

8 for mid,
Creshosk
Blari Wind
Digi
leonidas
Wagstaff
Original Smurph
-Pr-
Battlehammer

4 for low.
Kris Blaze
The Nuul
Blanket
Enyalus

Assuming Batdude is serious:
H:1 = 7%
M:8 = 61%
L:4 = 32%

Assuming Batdude is not serious:
M:8 = 66.666~%
L:4 = 33.333~%

That's two thirds majority without batdude.

Originally posted by Creshosk
1 for high
batdude123

8 for mid,
Creshosk
Blari Wind
Digi
leonidas
Wagstaff
Original Smurph
-Pr-
Battlehammer

4 for low.
Kris Blaze
The Nuul
Blanket
Enyalus

Assuming Batdude is serious:
H:1 = 7%
M:8 = 61%
L:4 = 32%

Assuming Batdude is not serious:
M:8 = 66.666~%
L:4 = 33.333~%

That's two thirds majority without batdude.

1 for high
batdude123

9 for mid,
Creshosk
Blari Wind
Digi
leonidas
Wagstaff
Original Smurph
-Pr-
Battlehammer
Ha Son

4 for low.
Kris Blaze
The Nuul
Blanket
Enyalus

Assuming Batdude is serious:
H:1 = 7%
M:9 = 64%
L:4 = 29%

Assuming Batdude is not serious:
M:9 = 69%
L:4 = 31%

That's two thirds majority without batdude.

Originally posted by Creshosk
1 for high
batdude123

9 for mid,
Creshosk
Blari Wind
Digi
leonidas
Wagstaff
Original Smurph
-Pr-
Battlehammer
Ha Son

4 for low.
Kris Blaze
The Nuul
Blanket
Enyalus

Assuming Batdude is serious:
H:1 = 7%
M:9 = 64%
L:4 = 29%

Assuming Batdude is not serious:
M:9 = 69%
L:4 = 31%

That's two thirds majority without batdude.

Originally posted by darthgoober
You left out my vote for "against".

So what tier would you vote her to?

I'm not saying she's mid mid meta. I'm saying she's in low mid meta.

Skaar for high meta

2 for

Originally posted by Creshosk
That's because I didn't see it.. in fact I looked again and still am not sure where it is. You were being really rather vauge. in fact based on what you said and the responses it still sounds like you'd place her in mid meta.

So what tier would you vote her to?

I'm not saying she's mid mid meta. I'm saying she's in low mid meta.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Oh I guess I somehow got confused by all the "mid" talk. I'm totally cool with her being in the Low Meta tier, I was voting against her being in the Mid-Mid Meta tier. That's my bad...

in other words I'd place her in the lower part of the middle tier.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Do you mean the low meta tier or the mid meta tier (since there aren't actual sub tiers and I'm voting for mid tier since that's where the low-mid tier is)

in other words I'd place her in the lower part of the middle tier.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I mean the low meta tier.

Originally posted by Digi
That makes 8 for and 4 against. I think it's probably safe to put her at mid. Thanks for the discussion guys, and I'll talk to batdude to confirm.

I also need to move Bizarro to MH, so both changes will be implemented soon.

I guess that means voting was already closed.

Sorry.

I would have voted for low but oh well....

Originally posted by The Nuul
"In essence, we're providing rough tiers for KMC standard vs. battles. If Jubilee were in a vs. battle, in standard format assuming peak abilities, where would she be? That's what we're answering. We're not talking about status or portrayal in comics from an importance standpoint. There's no good way to mesh the two, so we have to pick our poison. And since the original purpose of this thread was a guideline for those making vs. battles, that the one we choose".

So, "we're not talking about status or portrayal in comics from an importance standpoint", but its the idea of matching people up with in their own level in the VS thread.

Full Capacity
It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels.

However this states we using characters at Full Capacity but still within the character's personality.

So, in the VS forum are we not using characters experience and personality (based on this tier list) or we are (based on the rules of the VS forum). Which one is it?

It's exactly what the vs. rules stipulate. Full capacity within the boundaries of their personality. So Thor won't just mindlessly brawl, for example, but will use the range of his powers that he's been shown to have. How this applies to individual characters such as Jubilee or others is up to each voter to decide. Sometimes a personality will indeed impede a character from using as much power as they've shown before. How much so depends on the character. But we're not using "bloodlust" or anything like that.

When in doubt, referring to the standard vs. rules is a good idea, because this thread is, at its core, intended as a compliment to that forum.

...

As it pertains to Jubilee, we had a healthy 2-to-1 for it, and that was before a couple more "fors." Even with goober weighing in against (at least I think...it's been confusing), we can lay Jubes to rest.

Originally posted by Digi
As it pertains to Jubilee, we had a healthy 2-to-1 for it, and that was before a couple more "fors." Even with goober weighing in against (at least I think...it's been confusing), we can lay Jubes to rest.

Huh? Unless the poles were actually closed before, Rage's vote would have made it 9 for mid, 6 for low. That's really not all that big of a margin compared to what we normally look for, it seems like it should be discussed a little more IMO since she really hasn't been on the table that long.