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Originally posted by batdude123
Fair enough.
Clearly a demonstration of as much power as Batman's demonstrated.
Originally posted by batdude123
Neither of which would help him survive being in the middle of a building destroying blast.
How is that relevant?
Cyclops wouldn't survive a building destroying blast either. Should he be in high street?
Mr. Terrific's T-spheres/T-Mask give him as much reason to be in low meta as Batman's Belt/Armor
Originally posted by batdude123
bakaIf it's not a question of power output, then according to this logic, Elektra would be on Thing's "level of power."
Come on now...
lolwut?
All that I said was that Elektra's proficiency for telepathy allowing her to take over multiple soldiers on a whim and directing them to do her bidding was as much a demonstration of power as Batman's capacity to survive or cause a destructive blast.
Ergo, Elektra has as much reason to be in low meta.
Originally posted by batdude123
It's nothing more than a timed exploding batarang. Yes, he's used it many times before.
Proof that that's all it was? If so, has he ever used one that powerful? Sounds pretty groundless to me.
Originally posted by batdude123
You're using the the issue where BP put SS in a hammer lock as evidence for him? haermm
Ah, my mistake, I forgot that we were only allowed to consider Batman's highest feats.
Originally posted by batdude123
He got knocked out and/or passed out from IF's shots afterward.
After he took countless hits from it... any one of those would level most street levelers.
Originally posted by batdude123
Batman has tanked multiple shots from an enraged Superman, General Eiling, etc. without losing consciousness. I didn't use those as examples of Batman's durability though because damn near everybody in comics has taken shots from damn near everyone with class 100+ strength.
Batman surviving a ground zero explosion is less PIS than Batman surviving a powerful punch because less people have done it?
Heh
Originally posted by batdude123
It wouldn't leave Batman as paste, but I digress.Cap has a 2-3 foot diameter of protection. It wouldn't help him at all against omnidirectional blasts/attacks. It would be completely different if Cap had a vibranium/steel alloy armored suit covering his entire body.
Aye, but Cap's 2-3 foot diameter of protection allows him to survive any blasts that aren't omnidirectional, of any magnitude. This includes blasts that would obliterate Batman.
So, while Cap's protection lacks in one respect, so does Batman's. Sounds pretty even to me.
Originally posted by batdude123
I'm not back peddling at all. Being at ground zero of a building destroying blast and coming out of it without a scratch is a low meta feat, at least.
It's also one of Batman's highest, which is not the basis by which we judge characters.
Originally posted by batdude123
Captain America's shield has probably done more damage to top tiers than Cyclops' blast, yet it's common knowledge that Cyclops has a lot more power output.
Which would be why Cyclops is in mid meta. This does nothing to diminish Cap's feats at all, which, as you've now pointed out, are very good.
Originally posted by batdude123
It's the same with Batman bloodying up Darkseid and Despero with a batkick. Guarantee Cyclops wouldn't even make them flinch, but you aren't going to see people around here saying Batman's kick has more power output than Cyke's optic blast (at least if they serious).
Except Cap's shield is more consistent than a batkick, significantly harder to avoid, hits multiple opponents, deals more damage, etc.
It's just far more "powerful".
Originally posted by batdude123
I don't think it should be argued that Batman's weapon's give him a power advantage over Cap.
Because Cap's weapon is used much more often and has on par feats?
I would agree.
