KMC Comic Book Tiers

Originally posted by Original Smurph
If there's a situation like yours where 50 people are voting and the difference is only by 8 votes, then the move wouldn't be that big of a deal, since evidently the character could belong in either category. However, we don't go with a majority unless it's a healthy one simply because we don't want to move a character based on a quick fad. If there continues to be clear evidence that a character should be moved, then the character will, in all likelihood, be moved in time.

Originally posted by Original Smurph
As Digi said, this thread is never in a rush, and there's no need to make quick decisions based on a 7 vote majority when 40 people are voting.

Originally posted by Original Smurph
We don't make rushed decisions, because those are entirely dependant on how people are feeling that day, on who else is voting, on which users have logged on, and mostly on Vs. forum or comic fads lately.

Originally posted by Original Smurph
This is further exemplified with the Batman situation, because if it's a fad-based decision to move him, a benchmark character, it becomes a fad to move half the tier that he's in. We don't want to be moving them all back in half a month if people are feeling differently, so we give it some time if it seems to close to let the people determine whether this is really a cemented decision on their part or not.

Originally posted by Original Smurph
Besides, if the difference is as slight as you say, then it's not a big deal whether they fall in the high end of high street or the low end of low meta... the difference is so slight that, for the purpose of this thread (to serve as guidelines for the Vs. forum), it makes little impact either way, so the move isn't absolutely necessary or a priority.

Its 59% for to 41% against. thats a 19% difference.

Originally posted by Original Smurph
It has more impact with the thread itself (as it would give momentum to move all the other High Streeters up), so all the more sense to make sure that it's a sure thing first, rather than make a decision based on a meager 7 votes in a poll that has half the forum caught up in it.

A 7 person difference at smaller numbers is a larger lead. But what you're saying is that its more acceptable at higher numbers when it'd account for a lower percentage.

What is a healthy majority?

Meh. I don't have the time nor the will to bother replying to every point, Cresh. My points are made, and now bumped, thanks.

Originally posted by Creshosk
What is a healthy majority?

I don't do exact percentages for a motion to be successful. When we briefly had it, it instigated PM wars so that people could get the votes for a move, then they'd push for a vote to be closed as soon as they had that percentage. Warnings were issued, headaches ensued.

If you have a problem with each vote being up to my discretion once votes are made, I'm sorry. It became the only civil way of doing things after a while, and since this list is only intended as a rough guide to be used as a tool for newer members, we're not striving for sheer exactitude in either the rankings or votes.

I've never had complaints with a decision, and would do my best to address the complaints if they ever surface.

Probably not the answer you were looking for, but hopefully it will suffice.

Wait a sec Batman is getting low-meta and Cap and Black Panther are remaning the same?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Wait a sec Batman is getting low-meta and Cap and Black Panther are remaning the same?

*sigh*

They will be voted on once the thread reopens.

Whats this about including batmans standard equipment as a reason for making him low-meta? Did I understand that correctly?

Well I suppose I can see why people could think that...

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Whats this about including batmans standard equipment as a reason for making him low-meta? Did I understand that correctly?

Well I suppose I can see why people could think that...

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Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Wait a sec Batman is getting low-meta and Cap and Black Panther are remaning the same?

biscuits

Originally posted by Badabing
Yes. It's proof that Bats is tied with Cap.

biscuits

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Originally posted by The Nuul
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Originally posted by Badabing


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Where would Sodam Yat rank?

Keep in mind, its a Daxamite wielding Oan/Starheart energy, plus the GL ring.

Originally posted by Juk3n
Batman will be the flood gate really, there are a couple of people that will HAVE to follow him, namely Elektra - for demonstrating GENUINE superhuman feats for many many years, and for being telepathic (i thought this would have been a given..????) - And Black panther - for ALL the reasons Batman has been raised, not to mention he is also superhuman in some areas.

batman has 100% un-enhanced human biology, black panther doesn't.

i would understand the bump up if he had powers greater than a human's through training like stick (dd's master) had, or to a greater extent moondragon, who's telepathy/telekinesis was all due to training with monks for years. both 100% percent human. batman has none of that.

is nightwing getting bumped also?

or how about changing the teir name from "meta" (metamorphosis of DNA/cells to higher state through (u)natural means resulting in superhuman abilities) to something more relective of effectivness in combat?

i mean at the end of the day, batman is far more effective in a fight (or any situation for that matter) than the rhino is, and that guy can crush a firetruck like a beer can.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
well, chalk it up to not understanding what "meta" should mean 😬

batman has 100% un-enhanced human biology, black panther doesn't.

i would understand the bump up if he had powers greater than a human's through training like stick (dd's master) had, or to a greater extent moondragon, who's telepathy/telekinesis was all due to training with monks for years. both 100% percent human. batman has none of that.

is nightwing getting bumped also?

or how about changing the teir name from "meta" (metamorphosis of DNA/cells to higher state through (u)natural means resulting in superhuman abilities) to something more relective of effectivness in combat?

i mean at the end of the day, batman is far more effective in a fight (or any situation for that matter) than the rhino is, and that guy can crush a firetruck like a beer can.

aye , you make some good points, but..it's already been made clear that the KMC tier for "meta" isnt actually the same as the actual definiton of "meta" (biologically enhanced/altered) on this board "low meta" is just a name for a tier where the guys are a little more efficient and can do things guys on the "high street" can't. Batman CAN do things guys on the "high street" can't. thus the majority say he shall be moved.

Originally posted by Juk3n
"low meta" is just a name for a tier where the guys are a little more efficient and can do things guys on the "high street" can't. Batman CAN do things guys on the "high street" can't. thus the majority say he shall be moved.

Ok so that doesnt apply to Captain America?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Ok so that doesnt apply to Captain America?

what can Cap do that Black panther couldnt compare with?, or Elektra?

Anywho, it's not my list but in terms of offesive output and versitility, No i dont think Cap is > Bats. As i said in a previous post, When the situation calls for a brute force approach..Steve is my main man. When it calls for another approach, Batman and Black Panther are the highest in the high street catagory, due to variety of gear. But a brute force approach, is easy - straite forward, sure it gets the job done when it's called for, but what about the vast majority of times when it's NOT called for? When you think of the difference between Bruce and Steve, it comes down to more than just physicality, doesnt it?

Originally posted by Juk3n
what can Cap do that Black panther couldnt compare with?, or Elektra?

Apparently in an Avengers arc with the Lava Man, Cap was shown to have more stamina than BP. I would have to get a scan but also appraently hes been shown to have more stamina than superhumans.

Originally posted by Juk3n

Anywho, it's not my list but in terms of offesive output and versitility, No i dont think Cap is > Bats. As i said in a previous post, When the situation calls for a brute force approach..Steve is my main man. When it calls for another approach, Batman and Black Panther are the highest in the high street catagory, due to variety of gear. But a brute force approach, is easy - straite forward, sure it gets the job done when it's called for, but what about the vast majority of times when it's NOT called for? When you think of the difference between Bruce and Steve, it comes down to more than just physicality, doesnt it?

Im really not sure about that. For starters what do you mean brute force? When he Koed Rhino, when he TKOed Thunderball, when he Koed Namor underwater, when he disabled Wolverine claws for a relatively long time, when he winded Executionneer and laid him flat on his back, when he held his own against Korvac and actually did just as well as Wonder Man. What examples of brute force are you refering to because maybe you're misinterpreting skill as brute force.

Furthermore im not even neccsarily sure if Batman or BP's standard gear could help them defeat one of Red Skulls sleepers. Im not sure if there standard gear would help them survive a fall from what looked like thousands of feet ( I could think of how they could possibly do it but it depends on what you may consider to be standard gear). I can think of other examples but lets just leave these ones.

Well your examples are great, but they are also all fighting examples, everything about Cap is about straite up physical confrontation to accomplish his tasks. He's a 1 trick pony compared to the variety Batman s gear brings to handling any given scenerio. Doesn't mean he's not right, hey..if the fighting works just s well as the stealth Batman may use, then it's all good in the end. Just seems like (from feats) Batman and his gear has more options available to him, then straite up physical confrontation. He's more equipped to handle more varied threats.

Originally posted by Juk3n
Well your examples are great, but they are also all fighting examples,

Whats wring with that, for the most part isnt that what superheroes do? How does that in anyway demean him?

Originally posted by Juk3n

everything about Cap is about straite up physical confrontation to accomplish his tasks. He's a 1 trick pony compared to the variety Batman s gear brings to handling any given scenerio. Doesn't mean he's not right, hey..if the fighting works just s well as the stealth Batman may use, then it's all good in the end. Just seems like (from feats) Batman and his gear has more options available to him, then straite up physical confrontation. He's more equipped to handle more varied threats.

Well first of all surviving a drop from 1000s of feet isn't a fighting feat, and im still not sure how Batman or BP could survive that using standard gear.

This isn't a fighting feat. Unfortunately one of the scans is missing.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
[B]Intelligence feat

Ok let me explain whats going on here. That golden thing you see Cap wearing is supposed to restrain Skrulls. In other words he is wearing a device that is used to restrain shapeshifters. Cap has no shapeshifting powers but still figures a way out of the device. Wolverine outsmarting cap my ***

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Theres this as well, its not a fighting feat. Im not sure how Batman or BP would get out if they were not able to use their hands.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone

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This is a combination of Cap's skill.

1. While being tied up Cap uses his feet to aim at laser gun through prison like bars.
2. Cap uses his strength and the weight of the monster to break the prison.
3. The laser weakens the monster [B]slightly, but cap uses his strength to get free.

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What would have BP or Batman done with standard gear in this situation, not sure if Batman can throw a batarang that far, or is that sharp.

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/5655/captainamericav302709vk0.jpg

Cap has also defeated Korvac using strategy and determination and used trickery to outsmart a cosmic cube amped Red Skull.

Cap is not a one trick pony and is extremely versatile. There are more examples but i'll leave these for you to look at.

Cap is not up for vote, so chill out.

Did anybody show any kind of opinion regarding Chase Einstein?