Originally posted by Phantom ZoneRead back in the thread. after the ones that ARE up to vote are concluded the thread is going to be closed for a time for digi to work on it.
I was under the impression that Batman is getting bumped to low-meta and Cap isn't. I want Cap to go to low-meta thats whats this discussion is about.
Then after it reopens you can try and make your case.
Though those comments about "I doubt batman could have done that with standard gear" might work against you. Especially that 1000 foot drop one.
I think you should be forbidden from comparing the two since you clearly don't know batman well enough to know what a simple feet falling is for batman with his standard gear.
But hey, that's just me.
Oh, and grappling hook, like he usually does, amongst other possibilities.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Read back in the thread. after the ones that ARE up to vote are concluded the thread is going to be closed for a time for digi to work on it.Then after it reopens you can try and make your case.
Though those comments about "I doubt batman could have done that with standard gear" might work against you. Especially that 1000 foot drop one.
I think you should be forbidden from comparing the two since you clearly don't know batman well enough to know what a simple feet falling is for batman with his standard gear.But hey, that's just me.
Oh, and grappling hook, like he usually does, amongst other possibilities.
Um Cap was falling into an open field there were no buildings. 😐
I know batman has a grappling hook, there you go again *facepalm*
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Soon as Batman is decided, the thread closes.Any other changes will be discussed when the thread reopens.
Ok but im going to have to try really hard to ignore Cresh now hes started.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneWhen the thread reopens I'm going to vote against Cap being moved up.
Um Cap was falling into an open field there were no buildings. 😐I know batman has a grappling hook, there you go again *facepalm*
Ok but im going to have to try really hard to ignore Cresh now hes started.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
No he isn't.There isn't a definition for low metahuman.
Pretty much. One of the things I'm doing soon is transitioning to a much more neutral labeling system. The names of the tiers lead to a lot of confusion, even if they provide good general benchmarks for use in the forums.
Originally posted by Digi
Pretty much. One of the things I'm doing soon is transitioning to a much more neutral labeling system. The names of the tiers lead to a lot of confusion, even if they provide good general benchmarks for use in the forums.
You said.
Can we add Chase Stein to low street? I posted his "feats" a bit earlier.
Ok I'm still against Batman moving up and here is why. Yes he has some very good gear but honestly even with it I can still point out three people in the high street level that can have comparable feats, and abilities.
Black Panther whose suit and gear is top notch along with Batman. Captain America whose shield toss has just as much stopping power as anything Batman carries. I would argue that in many cases Cap's shield throw would do better than many of Batman's conventional explosives when dealing with higher up durability guys. Then you also have Taskmaster, who carries a venerable arsenal of weapons, gear, and the ability to use them at great skill. The guy can even for a short time double his ability to fight at 2X human speed.
Of course you also have people below him like Punisher, and MOON KNIGHT all of whom can carry and has carried high level munitions before.
As to being able to tank blasts, I would point out all the high level attacks that Cap's shield has taken. Some of which would have tanked Batman's suit in one blow. So it shouldn't matter if Batman's suit provides against omnidirectional attacks because even if it does it still can not stand up to the type of single attack's Cap's shield can.
And I would argue that Black Panther's suit is just as good as Batman's.
Also on the note of intelligence being used to bump Batman up. If that was the case then why shouldn't Iron Man be bumped up to at least Mid-Herald. The guy has demonstrated on at least two occasions of using just his suit and ability to think on the fly in KOing two heralds namely Terrax and Silver Surfer. One's a mid, and one is the epitome of High Herald. Let's face it most of the time Tony is a winner and will do anything to get it, and is smart enough to get them. So why won't he get the same consideration along with quite a few others who tend to do the same.
Originally posted by Kris BlazeI'm comparing him the fact that he is a normal human being who under standard non-prep conditions doesn't bring anymore or only slightly more than the above mentioned people who won't be voted to be moved up.
What the hell Juggernaut?You're basing your vote on the fact that 2-3 people in his tier can compare with him, as opposed to the fact that he can compete with half the people in the low meta tier?
As to the people in the low meta tier. It isn't so much that they couldn't be placed with Batman it's more of that fact that they can't be put into the Street category. Batman can because he is basically the bench mark of that category, and I think he is a very good one at that to be used to separate the tier levels on that front.
Originally posted by Newjak
Ok I'm still against Batman moving up and here is why. Yes he has some very good gear but honestly even with it I can still point out three people in the high street level that can have comparable feats, and abilities.
yes thats correct, and THEY will be up for debate as soon as the 'batman' debate is finished. The point for BATMAN being moved up, is that he can contend and indeed come out on top of alot of the low metas. The same can be said for Black Panther and Cap, but they're not the issue.
It's a double edged sword here. Allthe people against Batman are FOR Black panther, but the reasons for BUMPING batman are the SAME as Black Panther. One won't move up without the other after this.
Originally posted by Newjak
I'm comparing him the fact that he is a normal human being who under standard non-prep conditions doesn't bring anymore or only slightly more than the above mentioned people who won't be voted to be moved up.
They're not being voted up because Digi is closing the list soon, not because they lack the capabilities. If your vote is based off of "my favourites aren't going up, so I'll be damned if I let Batman move" instead of the fact that he lacks the feats, then you're just being mean.
Originally posted by Kris BlazeThat isn't the reason. I really don't like Black Panther, I do like CA but I also like Batman.
They're not being voted up because Digi is closing the list soon, not because they lack the capabilities. If your vote is based off of "my favourites aren't going up, so I'll be damned if I let Batman move" instead of the fact that he lacks the feats, then you're just being mean.
I don't think either one should move up.
Both pretty much set the standard for "High Street" imo.
I'm just stating the obvious in that Batman isn't exactly far reaching or far exceeding the top people in his own tier. So what exactly is the point of moving up a bench mark character that so easily defines the upper limit of the tier he is in.
It just seems rather pointless, is gonna create a ton of other moves for other people that are perfectly fine where they are at, and when you have such a perfect benchmark character why waste it.