KMC Comic Book Tiers

Originally posted by Digi
The whole "not individual matchups" thing has been taken way out of context from when I first created it. It was in response to early discussions in this thread where a person would be moved up or down because they'd beat a single person in their tier all the time or never. Tiers were much smaller, but it was still a frustrating way to make decisions, because we can find lots of individuals who would cause this trend. It's one of the things that's being changed in the thread when I update it.

In any case, we have no way of gauging a tier except by who is in that particular tier. So, by the very definition of that, the rankings are based on matchups.

However. My original gripe comes into play even today when people will cherry pick 2-3 low-end people from a tier to highlight why a person should be moved up. A few people earlier were doing this by saying "Batman beats Angel, so he should move up," or something similar. While true, it's not sound logic for moving him to a tier. But if we're talking about a majority of the tier, there's no problem with this. But being selective about proposing matchups is clearly a form of bias. So where is the distinction between how much of a tier is acceptable or unacceptable to reference? 33%? 20? 50? There isn't one, nor will one ever be mandated. The spirit of the rule, then, that picking only a few matchups shouldn't be enough, should be observed by all. But the rigid number of characters that constitutes "enough" is open for interpretation.

Hopefully that clears things up.

Originally posted by Original Smurph
21-14 actually

Considering 35 people have voted, a lead of 7 hardly seems like a healthy majority.

Originally posted by darthgoober
It does in regards to individual matchup's, but you didn't say what it would take to convince you that Cap's aura of effectiveness is just as strong as Bat's. I'm not asking for a rule saying what is necessary for a "human" to make Low Meta, I'm talking about what it would take to change your own personal opinion.

It does seem we'll all need to redefine a few things now.

Originally posted by Badabing

It does seem we'll all need to redefine a few things now.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Well, I'm sure that LEAD is pretty standard equipment, or available for someone like Batman. I'm fairly sure that he's got some kind of lead with him now that Mon-El has been around for a while. So I fail to see how Batman would be in trouble against X-Ray. And Klaw is still vulnerable to a lot of other forms of attacks, so I fail to see how Cap having his kryptonite means that Batman would be in trouble. It's just an example of how Cap's shield can work well against someone in very rare cases, not a testament to his versatility.

Should we really bump everyone in Low Meta who can't beat Sandman with their standard gear down to High Street?

Actually Exodus said he's against batman and for moving people down... So really I think that is 21 - 15. When 15 oeople vote against something I think it's hardly conclusive at all. Especially, when you consider some of the for votes are a little "questionable" . Point is, if bats moves up then a lot of other people should and would have to follow. That doesn't seem like the best course and what seems more appropriate is moving people down.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
how much longer does the vote go on for?

seems people stop voting for or against omega red.

Should definetley be in the same league as say... Colossus.

Originally posted by Juk3n
Should definetley be in the same league as say... Colossus.

so now that makes it 8 to 3

tony stark's technology mimics high-meta powers, physique, speed, etc. on a regular basis, just like steel.

batman remains powerless but occasionally (dependent on story) created plans/tech that can harm heralds.

imo batman stays where he's at, unless reed richards gets promoted to cosmic class. 😬

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Actually Exodus said he's against batman and for moving people down... So really I think that is 21 - 15. When 15 oeople vote against something I think it's hardly conclusive at all. Especially, when you consider some of the for votes are a little "questionable" . Point is, if bats moves up then a lot of other people should and would have to follow. That doesn't seem like the best course and what seems more appropriate is moving people down.

No.

Exodus' vote made it 21-14.

That's
60% for
40% against

20% spread represented by a 7 point spread.

What is "A healthy majority"?

Batman to Low Meta.

oh god...

^ ?

After giving what Digi said some thought and seeing the way this thread is playing out, I'm going to go ahead and cast a vote AGAINST Bat's moving up. If we judge characters based on individual matchups and the company they keep in their present tier, Bat's doesn't deserve to move up. There are several characters that are right on par with Bat's in the High Street category, and as long as they remain there Bat's doesn't have anything that puts him above the established limits of the tier IMO.

I think it would make more sense to move characters down to Street Level than moving Batman up to Low Meta.

It's one thing if he is clearly beyond everybody in his category, but he isn't.

But that's just me.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Point is, if bats moves up then a lot of other people should and would have to follow. That doesn't seem like the best course and what seems more appropriate is moving people down.

I vote Batman to low meta just because this tier already sucks anyway.

Originally posted by darthgoober
It does in regards to individual matchup's, but you didn't say what it would take to convince you that Cap's aura of effectiveness is just as strong as Bat's. I'm not asking for a rule saying what is necessary for a "human" to make Low Meta, I'm talking about what it would take to change your own personal opinion.

I don't honestly know. I didn't answer because I can't give you a definitive answer. I'll know if I see it. But in skill/talent, there's a few with Bats in High Street, Cap included. But they aren't Batman, for all the reasons I described above. There's a big difference there.

Batman will be the flood gate really, there are a couple of people that will HAVE to follow him, namely Elektra - for demonstrating GENUINE superhuman feats for many many years, and for being telepathic (i thought this would have been a given..????) - And Black panther - for ALL the reasons Batman has been raised, not to mention he is also superhuman in some areas.

Cap has a lot of votes behind him, but the case can be made that for any situation that doesn't require a brute force aproach, anyone would take batman over Cap in a team. Versitility is Bats thing, i can't say the same for Cap. And when i say "versitility" im not talking about just the physical.

Originally posted by kgkg
Batman to Low Meta.

Another person who "changed" their vote?

With Darth and Gundam voting against that makes 16 against. As I said before.. I like batman but he is the bench mark and should remain as such. Not move up to a place just to be on the low end of the spectrum in said tier. People should be moved down not people moved up in this area.