Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
With Darth and Gundam voting against that makes 16 against. As I said before.. I like batman but he is the bench mark and should remain as such. Not move up to a place just to be on the low end of the spectrum in said tier. People should be moved down not people moved up in this area.
Yo, everything that needs to be said about the voting situation has already been said 8 billion times.
You can stop now.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
how much longer does the vote go on for?seems people stop voting for or against omega red.
You're going to have to have some patience. I don't see you posting the same questions when it's a character you don't care about. Batman discussion has flooded the thread, and I'm trying to juggle upcoming changes to the thread. Deciding exactly when Omega Red should or shouldn't be move isn't my highest priority. And, to be honest, a day or two isn't a long time. It just seems like it to those who are on every day, posting 50-100 times. In a week or two I'll re-evaluate everything and make the appropriate decisions. This list is never in a rush.
Originally posted by Digi
You're going to have to have some patience. I don't see you posting the same questions when it's a character you don't care about.
Originally posted by Digi
Batman discussion has flooded the thread, and I'm trying to juggle upcoming changes to the thread. Deciding exactly when Omega Red should or shouldn't be move isn't my highest priority.
Originally posted by Digi
And, to be honest, a day or two isn't a long time. It just seems like it to those who are on every day, posting 50-100 times.
Originally posted by Digi
In a week or two I'll re-evaluate everything and make the appropriate decisions. This list is never in a rush.
sounds good, thanks man.
PS: just realized who was on your sig, I like it, that show was ill.
Originally posted by Digi
You're going to have to have some patience. I don't see you posting the same questions when it's a character you don't care about. Batman discussion has flooded the thread, and I'm trying to juggle upcoming changes to the thread. Deciding exactly when Omega Red should or shouldn't be move isn't my highest priority. And, to be honest, a day or two isn't a long time. It just seems like it to those who are on every day, posting 50-100 times. In a week or two I'll re-evaluate everything and make the appropriate decisions. This list is never in a rush.
I remember before Digi you said it takes a solid/significant majority to get somebody moved. Yet, we see in the case of Batman that hasn't been the case at all, yet it seems your determined to move him anyways. However, we wouldn't classify 24/17 as signifcant or solid.
Originally posted by Original Smurph
23 (for) - 16 (against)39 people have voted, lead by 7... lead by 17.9%
I count 21 (for) 17 (against).
55% for
45% Against.
10% lead for
And I'll show my work:
For:
Originally posted by leonidas
i also agree that bats should likely be low meta based on brains and standard gear. 😬
Originally posted by Creshosk
Why isn't he at least in the metahuman tiers?
Originally posted by batdude123
Batman to low meta:For: batdude123
Originally posted by Battlehammer
I agree
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
But yeah, I can support Batman going up a notch.
Originally posted by Ha Son
For Batman to low-meta.
Originally posted by Blanket
For Batman to low meta.
Originally posted by Prof. Wagstaff
batman for low meta
Originally posted by Badabing
I'll go for Bats to LM also.
Originally posted by Philosophía
For Batman to low meta.
Originally posted by -Pr-
For Batman, to low meta.
Originally posted by The Nuul
Anyways.....Bats to LM.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
FOR batman
Originally posted by Nihilist
For Batman.
Originally posted by iceman24567
For Batman
Originally posted by Blair Wind
for with regards to Batman.
Originally posted by ~The Wickerman~
For batman to low meta.
Originally posted by gobstakid777
Bats=Low Meta
Originally posted by Juk3n
For Batman to Low Meta
Originally posted by kgkg
Batman to Low Meta.
Originally posted by Messier 83
I vote Batman to low meta
21 for
Against:
Originally posted by SuperiorTech
against batman
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Batman to low meta? Definitely against.
Originally posted by Enyalus
Against Batman for low meta, btw.
Originally posted by Original Smurph
Against Batman
Originally posted by Digi
Against, unless I'm convinced otherwise.
Originally posted by Newjak
Against Batman to LM
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Against Batman to low meta
Originally posted by Harbinger
Against Bats to low meta.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
against bats -
Originally posted by jalek moye
against bats
Originally posted by Slaanesh
i'm against it..he is where he belong..at Street Level..
Originally posted by id369
Nay for Batman being moved up.
Originally posted by starlock
Against batman to be moved up
Originally posted by Naija boy
Against batman.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
against Batman moving up
Originally posted by psycho gundam
batman stays where he's at
Originally posted by darthgoober
AGAINST Bat's moving up.
17 against.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
I think Digi changed his vote. But otherwise good work that must have been quite a painful job sifting through all the posts 😛.
Originally posted by DigiYoure right...
Switching my vote on Batman.
so 22 to 16
57% for
42% against
You know an inherent problem with the "Healthy majority" thing is that even though more people want the change, unless they get that "healthy majority", even though there are more of them. The Against gets their way...
Like say 171 people voted for something and 129 voted against. Then despite having 42 more people its still only 57% for something. Which means the minority of voters gets their way while the majority loses despite having more people.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Youre right...so 22 to 16
57% for
42% againstYou know an inherent problem with the "Healthy majority" thing is that even though more people want the change, unless they get that "healthy majority", even though there are more of them. The Against gets their way...
Like say 171 people voted for something and 129 voted against. Then despite having 42 more people its still only 57% for something. Which means the minority of voters gets their way while the majority loses despite having more people.
You didn't count KM's vote.
So it's actually 23 for and 16 against.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiThat's part of the point of the thread, to convince people that a character belongs where they do.
that is with all the "changing" votes for lol.
This sort of post really seems like trolling, or at least spam.
Yes, people change their minds when they're convinced of the other person's case.
digi even said "Against, unless I'm convinced otherwise. "
So he was convinced and changed his vote.
Originally posted by CreshoskWanna take a guess what the odds are of 300 people voting in this thread on one character are? 😛
Youre right...so 22 to 16
57% for
42% againstYou know an inherent problem with the "Healthy majority" thing is that even though more people want the change, unless they get that "healthy majority", even though there are more of them. The Against gets their way...
Like say 171 people voted for something and 129 voted against. Then despite having 42 more people its still only 57% for something. Which means the minority of voters gets their way while the majority loses despite having more people.
To be honest I think even the big heatedly discussed moves haven't gone above 50 votes at max.
And the Healthy majority rule is in effect for one good reason imo. It makes sure that while the tier sytem won't make everyone happy we'll at least have a tier system that isn't dependent upon fads, and trends.
Originally posted by NewjakThe point is that even with an 8 person lead. Say 29 to 21. that's only 58% but because its not a 2 to 1 ratio which gets harder the higher the numbers. The minority wins even though there was a majority.
Wanna take a guess what the odds are of 300 people voting in this thread on one character are? 😛To be honest I think even the big heatedly discussed moves haven't gone above 50 votes at max.
And the Healthy majority rule is in effect for one good reason imo. It makes sure that while the tier sytem won't make everyone happy we'll at least have a tier system that isn't dependent upon fads, and trends.
Originally posted by CreshoskIf there's a situation like yours where 50 people are voting and the difference is only by 8 votes, then the move wouldn't be that big of a deal, since evidently the character could belong in either category. However, we don't go with a majority unless it's a healthy one simply because we don't want to move a character based on a quick fad. If there continues to be clear evidence that a character should be moved, then the character will, in all likelihood, be moved in time. As Digi said, this thread is never in a rush, and there's no need to make quick decisions based on a 7 vote majority when 40 people are voting.
The point is that even with an 8 person lead. Say 29 to 21. that's only 58% but because its not a 2 to 1 ratio which gets harder the higher the numbers. The minority wins even though there was a majority.
We don't make rushed decisions, because those are entirely dependant on how people are feeling that day, on who else is voting, on which users have logged on, and mostly on Vs. forum or comic fads lately.
This is further exemplified with the Batman situation, because if it's a fad-based decision to move him, a benchmark character, it becomes a fad to move half the tier that he's in. We don't want to be moving them all back in half a month if people are feeling differently, so we give it some time if it seems to close to let the people determine whether this is really a cemented decision on their part or not.
Besides, if the difference is as slight as you say, then it's not a big deal whether they fall in the high end of high street or the low end of low meta... the difference is so slight that, for the purpose of this thread (to serve as guidelines for the Vs. forum), it makes little impact either way, so the move isn't absolutely necessary or a priority.
It has more impact with the thread itself (as it would give momentum to move all the other High Streeters up), so all the more sense to make sure that it's a sure thing first, rather than make a decision based on a meager 7 votes in a poll that has half the forum caught up in it.