KMC Comic Book Tiers

Originally posted by batdude123
I could care less if you weren't saying there aren't enough. That wasn't my point.

And for the record, not everything has been discussed/debated in regards to the topic. Everytime someone brings up that other characters in the tier have feats on par with Batman you or someone else steps in and says "those characters can be discussed later" but since my point is that his feats don't exceed the limits of the tier, the feats of those characters are relevant to a discussion as to whether or not Batman warrants a bump.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Then what was your point cause you seemed to get awful pissed when I all I did was try to give you an honest answer your question?

And for the record, not everything has been discussed/debated in regards to the topic. Everytime someone brings up that other characters in the tier have feats on par with Batman you or someone else steps in and says "those characters can be discussed later" but since my point is that his feats don't exceed other characters in the tier, the feats of those characters are relevant to a discussion as to whether or not Batman warrants a bump.

First of all, I was responding to a completely different post.

Second of all, I think my point was made quite clear.

It blows my mind that after weeks of debate, discussion, and votes, ONE person thinks he can change the process and hold off on bumping him up. Cap is not up for vote, and neither is BP.

And yes, all that was discussed damn near two weeks ago.

You voted no. Fine. End it. Don't try to change the system to promote an agenda.

Cripes, people are still bringing up Marvel street levelers because of Bats? When one single Marvel street leveler is: a master of disguise, escape artists (literally), one of the top minds, master detective, master strategist, master inventor while also being at peak human condition and a master combatant then we can compare apples to oranges. Until then the votes are in and we can worry about Cap, DD, Taskmaster, Iron Fist etc. later.

Originally posted by batdude123
First of all, I was responding to a completely different post.

Second of all, I think my point was made quite clear.

It blows my mind that after weeks of debate, discussion, and votes, ONE person thinks he can change the process and hold off on bumping him up. Cap is not up for vote, and neither is BP.

And yes, all that was discussed damn near two weeks ago.

You voted no. Fine. End it. Don't try to change the system to promote an agenda.

'Fraid not since you weren't even responding to correct post.

"Change the process"? Did I say "we should have THIS much of a majority" or did I say "I don't think the vote's decisive enough for Digi yet." and then go on to ask what percentage of votes Digi looked for before Batman started being discussed?

Where? I've been following the Batman discussion, and I haven't seen anyone talk about which of Batman's feats exceeds the limits of characters who share the tier he's currently in.

I'm not trying to change the system, I was pointing out that I've always been under the impression Digi wanted a higher percentage on other votes. If I'm wrong then I have no problem admitting it, but if I'm right then YOU'RE the one who's trying to change the system to promote an agenda.

Originally posted by Badabing
Cripes, people are still bringing up Marvel street levelers because of Bats? When one single Marvel street leveler is: a master of disguise, escape artists (literally), one of the top minds, master detective, master strategist, master inventor while also being at peak human condition and a master combatant then we can compare apples to oranges. Until then the votes are in and we can worry about Cap, DD, Taskmaster, Iron Fist etc. later.

Originally posted by Badabing
Cripes, people are still bringing up Marvel street levelers because of Bats? When one single Marvel street leveler is: a master of disguise, escape artists (literally), one of the top minds, master detective, master strategist, master inventor while also being at peak human condition and a master combatant then we can compare apples to oranges. Until then the votes are in and we can worry about Cap, DD, Taskmaster, Iron Fist etc. later.

😂

yeah, that post will help . . .

I'm still unclear.... where any kinda of clear majority was reached in the votes. Last I saw it was a difference of 6 with 19 people voting against. I see no overwhelming majority to bump Batman which was the criteria before. Yet now there is going to be exception to that?

Originally posted by darthgoober
Before Batman came into the discussion, what percentage of the vote was needed for Digi to actually bump a character?

I wasn't saying that "there's not enough" you ass, I was trying to answer your question to the best of my ability since Digi's not online 😐 .

Originally posted by Digi
I don't do exact percentages for a motion to be successful. When we briefly had it, it instigated PM wars so that people could get the votes for a move, then they'd push for a vote to be closed as soon as they had that percentage. Warnings were issued, headaches ensued.

If you have a problem with each vote being up to my discretion once votes are made, I'm sorry. It became the only civil way of doing things after a while, and since this list is only intended as a rough guide to be used as a tool for newer members, we're not striving for sheer exactitude in either the rankings or votes.

I've never had complaints with a decision, and would do my best to address the complaints if they ever surface.

Probably not the answer you were looking for, but hopefully it will suffice.

Originally posted by darthgoober
You might try quoting the appropriate post then to avoid confusion...

'Fraid not since you weren't even responding to correct post.

"Change the process"? Did I say "we should have THIS much of a majority" or did I say "I don't think the vote's decisive enough for Digi yet." and then go on to ask what percentage of votes Digi looked for before Batman started being discussed?

Where? I've been following the Batman discussion, and I haven't seen anyone talk about which of Batman's feats exceeds the limits of characters who share the tier he's currently in.

I'm not trying to change the system, I was pointing out that I've always been under the impression Digi wanted a higher percentage on other votes. If I'm wrong then I have no problem admitting it, but if I'm right then YOU'RE the one who's trying to change the system to promote an agenda.

baka

I did respond to the "correct post."

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=12219429#post12219409

You said we should hold off on Batman being bumped up until Cap and BP were voted on. 😐 Therefore, I called you out for trying to stir shit up.

It's been discussed from damn near the beginning. 😬

I think the majority should rule, and that the whims of a single person shouldn't matter, therefore I'm trying to promote an agenda? Lulz. K. haermm

This guy...

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I'm still unclear.... where any kinda of clear majority was reached in the votes. Last I saw it was a difference of 6 with 19 people voting against. I see no overwhelming majority to bump Batman which was the criteria before. Yet now there is going to be exception to that?

For: (23)
Leonidas, Creshosk, batdude123, Battlehammer, Kris Blaze, Ha-Son, Blanket, Wagstaff, Badabing, Philosophia, -Pr-, The Nuul, xJLxKing, Nihlist, iceman24567, Blair Wind, ~The Wickerman~, gobstakid777, Juk3n, kgkg, Meissier 83, Digi, -K-M-

Against: (16)
SuperiorTech, Rage.Of.Olympus, Enyalus, Original Smurph, Newjak, Endless Mike, Harbringer, KuRuPT Thanosi , Slaneesh, 1d369, starlock, Naija Boy, ExodusCloak, psycho gundam Darthgoober

But thanks for playing.

#$%^ those 7 people though right? The minority should win, as those 7 people don't count for anything right?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Actually its 23 voting for, 16 voting against with a 7 person lead.

For: (23)
Leonidas, Creshosk, batdude123, Battlehammer, Kris Blaze, Ha-Son, Blanket, Wagstaff, Badabing, Philosophia, -Pr-, The Nuul, xJLxKing, Nihlist, iceman24567, Blair Wind, ~The Wickerman~, gobstakid777, Juk3n, kgkg, Meissier 83, Digi, -K-M-

Against: (16)
SuperiorTech, Rage.Of.Olympus, Enyalus, Original Smurph, Newjak, Endless Mike, Harbringer, KuRuPT Thanosi , Slaneesh, 1d369, starlock, Naija Boy, ExodusCloak, psycho gundam Darthgoober

But thanks for playing.

#$%^ those 7 people though right? The minority should win, as those 7 people don't count for anything right?

👆

Im still a little confused about what exactly is the criteria for Bats being moved to meta. Not sure if im down with it really.

Originally posted by batdude123
baka

I did respond to the "correct post."

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=12219429#post12219409

You said we should hold off on Batman being bumped up until Cap and BP were voted on. 😐 Therefore, I called you out for trying to stir shit up.

It's been discussed from damn near the beginning. 😬

I think the majority should rule, and that the whims of a single person shouldn't matter, therefore I'm trying to promote an agenda? Lulz. K. haermm

This guy...

I'm not trying to stir up shit, I'm promoting an equal standard across the board. If guys in Bats current tier have comparable feats and are portrayed as equally effective in combat then he doesn't warrant a move.

And you never answered as to when I tried to "change the process".

I've yet to see a feat posted that exceeds the limits of the tier(in fact I don't think I've seen more than a handful of feats posted for him all together). Closest thing was that one exploding Batarang, and I'm pretty sure we can all agree that it was prepped or SvFL since he's never used one that powerful since. But just in case I've been overlooking it, what's your counter to the people in the high street category that have feats everybit as impressive as Bats? What feats does Bats have that can't be matched by a street leveler?

If we've always needed more and you want that to change now that Bats is on the table, then yeah you're promoting an agenda. I'm not talking about change, I'm talking about maintaining the status quo. If I'm wrong about the status quo then feel free to correct me, it just always seemed like we needed a more decisive vote before we bumped people up a tier.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Not sure if im down with it really.

Who cares..... 🙄

Originally posted by The Nuul
Who cares..... 🙄

I was actually hoping somebody could run through it with me. Yeah and it matters if were voting..smartarse.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I pointed out that Digi likes a higher percentage of the vote.

If 174 people voted for something and 126 voted against it. then despite having 48 more people voting for the thing, that's still only 58% voting for.

Percent wise that's not a two third majority. But that also means that despite having more people voting for something by a sizeable margin. Th minority would get their way.

48 more people voted for than against. but the fors would lose because of the percentage only being 58%?

How many more people have to vote for something, despite the percent, for it to be a "clear majority"?

Because even a one person higher on one side would be a majority

Clearly this Batman vote isn't based upon a fad, as there hasn't really be anything new recently that's being used as the reason for bumping him up.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I was actually hoping somebody could run through it with me. Yeah and it matters if were voting..smartarse.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Ah now I see where the mix up happened, I thought you were pissed because I pointed out that Digi likes a higher percentage of the vote. When you said "no" I just thought you were disagreeing, I didn't realize that you were taking my initial statement so personally.

I'm not trying to stir up shit, I'm promoting an equal standard across the board. If guys in Bats current tier have comparable feats and are portrayed as equally effective in combat then he doesn't warrant a move.

And you never answered as to when I tried to "change the process".

I've yet to see a feat posted that exceeds the limits of the tier(in fact I don't think I've seen more than a handful of feats posted for him all together). Closest thing was that one exploding Batarang, and I'm pretty sure we can all agree that it was prepped or SvFL since he's never used one that powerful since. But just in case I've been overlooking it, what's your counter to the people in the high street category that have feats everybit as impressive as Bats? What feats does Bats have that can't be matched by a street leveler?

If we've always needed more and you want that to change now that Bats is on the table, then yeah you're promoting an agenda. I'm not talking about change, I'm talking about maintaining the status quo. If I'm wrong about the status quo then feel free to correct me, it just always seemed like we needed a more decisive vote before we bumped people up a tier.

You're being difficult just to be difficult.

Sheeeeiit, I forgot I was talking to the #1 Batman expert on the boards. 😂

You expressed your opinion on the matter by voting "no." The current vote is 23 for, and 16 against. End of discussion. How the f*ck is that me promoting an agenda? facepalm

Once again, it's pretty f*ckin arrogant for one guy to try and stall the voting process, when the whole thing has already been discussed for the past 2 weeks, just because he doesn't like Batman being voted up. It's like nobody else even matters.

Originally posted by batdude123

Sheeeeiit,

haha you got that from the wire. I was gonna start using that, you beat me to it. Sheeeeiit.

I dunno man Bats standard gear. I mean his utility belt gear really isn't that good, and he rarely uses his Batmobile in a fight, dont see that as a reason to bump him to low-meta. He might have gear to help tangle with low-meta, doesnt neccesarily make him low-meta. Hell I think hes taken down some fully fledged metas, does that make him meta...nope. I dunno maybe Nick Fury should be low-meta as well, that dont make no sense.

Originally posted by batdude123
You're being difficult just to be difficult.

Sheeeeiit, I forgot I was talking to the #1 Batman expert on the boards. 😂

You expressed your opinion on the matter by voting "no." The current vote is 23 for, and 16 against. End of discussion. How the f*ck is that me promoting an agenda? facepalm

Once again, it's pretty f*ckin arrogant for one guy to try and stall the voting process, when the whole thing has already been discussed for the past 2 weeks, just because he doesn't like Batman being voted up. It's like nobody else even matters.

He won't be happy with any answers you give him so rather than accepting the answers he'll badly misinterpret actions to get his way. Hell, he blamed you for taking his asshattery personally.