Originally posted by Philosophía
Sooo, to get this started, my proposals for the [b]meta-tier:Up:
Cyborg (Vic) to high meta from mid-meta
Nova (Classic) to high-meta from mid-meta
Blue Beetle (Jaime Reyes) to high-meta from mid-meta
Morlun to high-meta from mid-meta
Ms. Marvel (Carol) to high-meta from mid-meta
Sebastian Shaw to high-meta from mid-meta
I'd think Multiple Man would also be a mid-meta, from low-meta.Down:
Mr Fantastic to mid-meta from high-meta
Gamora to mid-meta from high-meta, maybe
Shang Chi to high-street
Imo, either Northstar/Aurora down to mid-meta, or Quicksilver to high-meta, unless we leave Quicksilver to "classic". [/B]
Yes to Carol, Cyborg and Jaime.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Sooo, to get this started, my proposals for the [b]meta-tier:Up:
Cyborg (Vic) to high meta from mid-meta
Nova (Classic) to high-meta from mid-meta
Blue Beetle (Jaime Reyes) to high-meta from mid-meta
Morlun to high-meta from mid-meta
Ms. Marvel (Carol) to high-meta from mid-meta
Sebastian Shaw to high-meta from mid-meta
I'd think Multiple Man would also be a mid-meta, from low-meta.Down:
Mr Fantastic to mid-meta from high-meta
Gamora to mid-meta from high-meta, maybe
Shang Chi to high-street
Imo, either Northstar/Aurora down to mid-meta, or Quicksilver to high-meta, unless we leave Quicksilver to "classic". [/B]
Morlun - yes
Carol - no, fuck that bitch
Shaw - yes
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Reed - yes, demote him
Gamora - same as above
👆 on Mr Sinister to low-herald
Prep-time is not taken into consideration when making the tiers, otherwise Reed wouldn't even be on the list.
@the rest
Sebastian Shaw, I assume you're all familiar with him. He absorbs kinetic energy.
https://imgur.com/a/MyavRHi
or...
https://imgur.com/a/VMzkYil
or..
https://imgur.com/a/6MIxms6
or..
https://imgur.com/a/qY69SIL
You get the idea.
Multiple Man
He creates duplicates of himself on impact.
http://i.imgur.com/3d1ySIb.png
http://i.imgur.com/MLJXXHX.png
He can spread the damage between dupes:
http://i.imgur.com/sx7QGo9.png
Look at this for example:
http://i.imgur.com/3uCYAC2.png
To make him even more overpowered, he can 'spawn' his dupes inside of people:
http://i.imgur.com/8kgvyvW.png
and again:
http://i.imgur.com/tBkZgG3.png
He also duplicates items he's holding:
http://i.imgur.com/Jfpf2p4.png
and again:
http://i.imgur.com/bjkqXH4.png
Shang Chi is basically Iron Fist, but without the Iron Fist part, lol.
He has some showings of chi control/skill, but nothing even close to Danny.
In pure h2h [which is in most cases, all that he has...] he's close to the top, but once we go into special stuff [gear etc.] he's out of his depth here. Tony gave him some stuff, but it pales by comparison.
Quicksilver/Northstar/Aurora
Pietro has gotten a speed boost from his classic days, to the point where he is vastly hypersonic:
92 seconds to halfway around the globe:
http://i.imgur.com/68ALEWY.png
Tibet to Indonesia in a sentence's span:
http://i.imgur.com/Nm5lFQz.png
Stuff like this.
I don't include him outrunning radio waves as an argument since that's the author's mistake and he portrayed him as nowhere near that during the actual run, but still. If Mungi gets feisty and uses statements from Northstar to say that he is faster, we can do that!
I don't think there's justification for him and Northstar in different tiers.
Also, Shaw is able to absorb magic when needed.
Emma was unable to control him (although she was able to plant illusions in his mind). It's interesting to note he always starts prepped; i.e when he wakes up in the morning, he punches walls to build himself up. So at any given time, he's generally already 'amped'
Multiple Man..... We've seen how dangerous he was when legion forced him to dupe and put his personalities in them.
I think he also 'learns' from dupes. So if he makes 5 dupes, and they all read 20% of a book, he can reabsorb them and he'll know the entire book.
Originally posted by Bentley
I agree with Sinister moving up.I did not know Maddrox could multiply items so with that new info I'm fine with him being bumped up.
I'd also demote Shang Chi, I don't recall any of his showings really tipping him up to be on the level of a fully equiped Batman.
wth IS bated breath anyway??
as far as the proposed changes:
vic to low herald for me.
classic nova was old school nova (the first incarnation of the character) so i think he was fine. diamondhead gave that guy some trouble....
jaime to hm
morlun to lh
carol to hm (can't believe she wasn't there already....)
shaw to hm is fine.
madrox to mm (wasn't aware of the change in his powerset).
reed to mm is fine.
gamora could stay or go up, i'm ambivalent. she has feats that support either tbh.
shang i was actually going to suggest moving UP to mm along with danny. i think they could def compete with a lot of people in that tier. maybe i'm only remembering some of shang's specific fights but i recall some good chi-amped feats like a minor shock wave against gorgon as well chi blasts. he also took down one of those robot things in the avengers during INFINITY. saw scans of him even going full whirlwind. lol seems a lot closer to iron fist than street level but i defer to the rest of you all.
i'm not sure where qs's speed is right now. the twins can stay at hm--near light speed is still a hard counter though there have been versions who were slower. if qs has retained the recent amp then yeah for sure, hm.
sinister to lh for sure.
my own issues. i have a lot of trouble with that low meta tier tbh.
ambrose needs to be moved maybe all the way to hm
i'd suggest deathlok to mm
danny to mm
jakita to mm
cage to mm
spidey to mm
i get that there could be a domino effect here but looking at the mm and lm tiers it feels like a lot of the lm would compete well with and maybe beat a lot of the mm guys. if we moved shang, danny and spidey, what about bats and logan? and are those guys 2 tiers above someone like cap? i don't really have the answers. just going on general feel and it feels like those 2 tiers could use some real overhaul.
the current ghost rider should be hm i think.
should hawkman be above slade and bats and logan? i don't think grace choi should be above them either. slade would likely slaughter her 1 on 1...
kitty could be hm
shift to hm
the new steel could be hm
has aquaman reached lh do we think?
anyway, lots of things that COULD be changed in this tier imo. the ones i brought up may not be individually egregious, but i think we should be careful to look at who we're separating from whom is all. maybe figure out a core of characters we feel are good representatives of the low, mid and high levels of this tier and compare? just thinking out loud...
@Pr
Here, I found it.
You made this thread in 2013 and completely forgot about it, thanks to your Alzheimer's disease.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I'm just worried how DC decided to pick Croc as his sparring partner for 3-4 comics.And Arthur humiliated Waylon in only one of them.
Croc is the jobber supreme, a single carp summoned by Arthur should be enough to handle him.
You would think they would know better than to carry over that shit from the film, but no, apparently a team of streets and low metas is supposed to be able to take on a team of heralds.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
@PrHere, I found it.
You made this thread in 2013 and completely forgot about it, thanks to your Alzheimer's disease.
I wish I could blame the Alzheimer's. It was laziness, sickness, and RL just being RL. That's why I have no problem with Galan being the main man on this one.
