KMC Comic Book Tiers

I edited the master list to reflect the changes that have been decided on. There are still a few that need a final ruling, though, so these characters have been left as-is on the list until Bentley(or someone) casts a vote:

Originally posted by Phil
@Galan so these are the results, there's a few still in contention until Bentley says something

- to Trans -

Imperiex Probes up - yes to trans [phil, galan], yes to hh [saint, leo] -> 2-2 and will wait for Bentley

- to High Herald -

Hulk up - no [phil, galan], yes [saint], undecided [leo] - we wait for Bentley/Leo to say definitively
Rachel [PF] up - no [phil], yes [leo, galan], undecided [saint] - we wait for Bentley

- to Mid Herald -

Shadow King up to mid - no [phil, saint], yes [leo, galan] - we wait for Bentley
Lightray up to mid - I'd have said no, but given everybody of similar kind seems to move, yes [phil, saint], no [leo, galan] - we wait for Bentley
Vulcan up to mid - yes [phil, saint], no [leo, galan] - we wait for Bentley

*I went ahead and removed Infinity Man from the list entirely. If Darkseid and Highfather aren't there, it seems silly to include him.
*I'm also just going to keep He-Man at LH, unless someone pops-in and makes a strong case for him to be moved.

Of course I need to tie break the one week I'm busy training people at work

If it makes it easier, you can *just* cast votes for the above six characters when you get some time.

Originally posted by Bentley
Of course I need to tie break the one week I'm busy training people at work

Heh, "training"...

Kiss their baguettes from me.

- to Trans -

Imperiex Probes No - I'm willing to give them some stupid high showings like I would with other high heralds like Thor/Surfer.
Superman yes

- to High Herald -

Hulk up - I'm going to go with No, he has exotic Powers but he is too slow and lacks mobility
Rachel [PF] up - I'm going with No. Her powerset gives hes good MUs but I'm not convinced she deserves High herald. Certainly borderline mid though. Will revisit my opinion if proof is provided

- to Mid Herald -

Shadow King up to mid - No.
Lightray up to mid - I'm going to vote no, but once the tiers movements end I'm willing to revisit.
Vulcan up to mid - I'm saying no, he's the very definition of low herald in my book. He got punked by Havok

Thanks for your input, Bent the Conqueror 👆

Now that Bentley has weighed in, we can start discussing additional characters being added to the list.

Judge Dredd to low meta.
Godizlla to low herald (?) .

Jane Thor to Trans biscuits

Originally posted by Bentley
Judge Dredd to low meta.

While evidence indeed exists that he is enhanced, we didn't put Bane in low meta... who happens to be enhanced even while not on Venom these days... so we shouldn't promote Dredd, either.

Originally posted by Bentley
Godizlla to low herald (?) .

Marvel Zilla?

Originally posted by Bentley
Jane Thor to Trans biscuits

😂

Originally posted by Bentley
Judge Dredd to low meta.

Originally posted by Bentley
Godizlla to low herald (?) .

Originally posted by Bentley
Jane Thor to Trans biscuits

If we take her without the Mother Storm, then she's high herald. But we already have "Thor" there, so she'd be included.

Either way, I don't think we should be putting her on the list.

My proposals:
Sentry (Void/Death/Merged) - Trans.
Blue Marvel - mid herald
Frankenstein - low/mid herald [I can elaborate, if needed be. I'm leaning towards mid]
Kenan Kong [Super-Man] - low/mid herald [same as above]
Skaar - low herald

Even Magneto won't make you whole after Bane breaks you, Phil.

Dredd to low meta with his standard gear- agree.
Depends which Godzilla. I'd say at least LH for most versions.
Sentry versions to trans- agree.
Blue Marvel to MH- agree
Frankenstein should be MH, imo.
Kong- I feel like LH would be a good fit for now.
Skaar to LH- agree.

Dredd--meh. basically figure him for punisher. i don't see dredd matching bats. don't really care about it much, but he'd be below bats imo.

Godzilla--i used him at lh and lost my fave bz of all time to digi who used he-man. 😂 i used a composite version and he seemed to fit well at that level.

Sentry--very hard to place. wwh=sentry. we'd need to specify versions for sure.

Blue Marvel--mh

Frankenstein--i'd say lh based on who's there now. a lot of mid guys would beat him down imo.

Kong--defer

Skaar--defer

what about ms marvel (kamala?)--lm or hm? she has some decent feats but i'm not 100%.

artemis? hm/lh?

harely quinn? ms? hs?

has anyone been following the new raven series? should she be moved?

star-lord? lm?

angela? lh?

weapon h?

there are....dozens of others i'm sure we can come up with.

Blue Marvel for mid-herald.
Frankenstein for low-herald though I'd like to know more on what tips him to mid.
Starlord for low meta sounds about right.
Kong for low meta
Skaar for low meta

Judge Dredd's equipment gives him more versatility than Bane straight up.

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Hellboy for low-meta?

Yeah, but as leo mentioned, his equip is not on Bats' level.

Kang for low street

Any other opinions on these characters before I edit the master list?

Dredd
Godzilla
Sentry versions
Blue Marvel
Frankenstein
Kong
Skaar

@leo

I'm not sure what to say about Sentry. There's so many 'personalities' running around, it's like trying to rank Legion based on any particular moment. At the same time, it would be pretty random to fill the list with Sentry (normal hero) at HH, Sentry (Void/Death) at trans, and merged Sentry (which we still need to know more about, but looks to be trans).

I'd say we put Void/Death at trans, and ignore the rest for now.

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As for my other pics, the final answers would be:

Dredd - Low meta
Godzilla - Low herald
Sentry versions - Void/Death at trans
Blue Marvel - Mid herald
Frankenstein - Low herald, for now. Do we consider his 'standard gear' as the weapon summoning? Or just his sword/gun?
Kong - Low herald
Skaar - Low herald

^ Agree with those. I have some different opinions about Frankenstein, but I see where others are coming from.

Where Sentry is concerned, there are essentially 3 main versions we should be ranking/specifying on the list: Voidtry, Deathtry, and 'baseline'(ie. no Void influence.) The former two are trans and the latter is HH, imo. Composite Sentry probably shouldn't be on the list right now because we know almost nothing about his power -- he did some shit for a few pages, then was gone. Though starting him at trans would be a safe bet if you guys do want to include him.

I'm open about Franky, but I had to put something there, lol.

I dunno what we consider his standard equipment.
As a baseline, he is aprox WW/Shazam-level strength, and some pretty..peculiar durability, let's say. Then we have the sword/gun. This isn't an insult for him, but that's basically Kalibak-lite [Orion-level physicals + beta cub].

I'm ok with Voidtry/Deathtry at trans, and non-Void one at HH.

Franky is certainly on par with the likes of WW/Shazam in terms of raw strength, and his physical durability is probably in that tier as well. I'd say his gun and sword would be his standard equipment, yeah.

His esoteric durability is unlike anything we've seen, though. On multiple occasions he's just been immune to random shit because of his 'uniqueness'. Some examples include: the magical effects of the planet Epoch(which owned the likes of Constantine, Zatanna, Swamp Thing, etc.), a BlackBomb(which was powerful enough to atomize personifications of The Rot), and even The Rot itself(which is an ungodly uber elemental force.)

Doesn't seem like writers factor in his esoteric durability/immunity much anymore, which is why I understand the LH argument.