KMC Comic Book Tiers

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Re-do the vote if it makes your week better.

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Originally posted by Philosophía
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At this point, I'd be ok to move him just to get people to shut up, Jesus Christ.

It's like we're treating this as a straight from comic book canon "official list". It's just a guideline...

Anyway...
Magneto stated that Wiccan is more powerful than him in Children's Crusade [but he also stated that Doom is so meh!], and in the same series he held his own against Doom. He has some nifty versatility spells, shields, teleportation, stuff like that. I'm ok with both low/mid. He's kind of a bootleg Zatanna.

Red Hulk did pretty good against Avengers [Sentry included] and gave the impression that he's a bit higher than high-meta, imo. I'll try to find some scans.

I think the White Martians have the feats [speed/strength/tp/shapeshifting etc.] to say they'd be mid-meta. It's weird having them with J'onn there...but it's also weird having them that far low, considering their ridiculousness. You've got a point about 'generic ones', I was thinking the original JLA ones [both first arc and Terror Incognita].

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Originally posted by leonidas
i think this is the most important bit in the recent dialogue. i think the reason we haven't gotten bogged down is because--and let's say it altogether--THE THREAD ISN'T PERFECT. nor is it intended to be. i've said i think cap should be lm. the others voted and he's not. being a single level below where you feel he should be is, by definition, NOT AN EGREGIOUS ERROR. the idea behind revamping this was to correct egregious errors. to that end, i think we've done a pretty good job.

whether cap is in meta or street has ZERO relevance on the way people will perceive cap, or treat cap in vs matches. so ask yourself--what impact does moving or leaving him have on....anything?

answer: none. THAT's why i can move on despite the fact that more than one of my suggestions has been overruled by the group. if cap were mid street, you might have a complaint. one level? just not seeing it as a hill to die on.

i can get behind most of these. mid herald seems high for wiccan though. feats in mind for that?

red hulk should be in imo but not sure he should be above guys like simon and abomination in high meta....

thinking on it, should all white martians be automatically in the same tier as jonn? maybe lh would be better, with specific versions listed separately? i mean if we say mh, does that mean we have to bump mgann to mh just because she's a white martian?

Originally posted by Philosophía
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Re-do the vote if it makes your week better.

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It's only me. I control everything.

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Galan, Bentley, Leo and Darksaint. Do you presume they're not familiar with Cap?

Are you going to do a campaign? Spread fliers? #VoteCap

I think Cap should be Low Meta. That's all I have to say about that.

deciding captain america a fictional comic book character's tier level, whether in low meta or high street, is serious fukin business

way more important than the economy trade war between China and US, or curing cancer

Originally posted by Philosophía
It's only me. I control everything.

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Galan, Bentley, Leo and Darksaint. Do you presume they're not familiar with Cap?

Are you going to do a campaign? Spread fliers? #VoteCap

Does Galan handle tie breakers or what? I thought he said that he wouldn't be voting on stuff for the most part. If he's not even going to handle tie breakers you guys should get at least 1 more super voter for that kind of thing.

Hey didn't there used to be a Tiers Discussion thread? If so it might be a good idea to bring that back to so new recommendations don't get buried by older discussions.

I'd give you their phone number, but you're probably already in the bushes.

I'll change my vote for Cap to move, just so you can shut up with this shit for 3 more pages, as you stalk each one.

Originally posted by MrMind
deciding captain america a fictional comic book character's tier level, whether in low meta or high street, is serious fukin business

way more important than the economy trade war between China and US, or curing cancer

It's one of those age old questions, would you cure cancer or move Cap to low meta?

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Any other takers on these?

Weather Wizard to high meta?
Mogo to high herald?
White Martians to mid herald?
Static to high meta?
Red Hulk [no energy absorbtion] to low-herald? Should we even put him on the list anymore?
Wiccan to low/mid herald?

Originally posted by Philosophía
I'd give you their phone number, but you're probably already in the bushes.

I'll change my vote for Cap to move, just so you can shut up with this shit for 3 more pages, as you stalk each one.

It's one of those age old questions, would you cure cancer or move Cap to low meta?

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Any other takers on these?

Weather Wizard to high meta?
Mogo to high herald?
White Martians to mid herald?
Static to high meta?
Red Hulk [no energy absorbtion] to low-herald? Should we even put him on the list anymore?
Wiccan to low/mid herald?

You were like a kid not getting candy from his parents at the store, so you went on a "I can't even" rant, and channeled Liam Neeson asking for names.
I was just doing my job as a good father.

I knew you couldn't get a good night's sleep if you didn't see Cap in the low-tier, so I had to act. You can call me Sandman.

speaking of important--where the hell has bentley been?? need the frenchman to bring some order to this chaos. 👆

If Cap is KK lite....

Hasn't Batman done pretty well against KK, WITHOUT using his gear? #justsaying

Originally posted by leonidas
speaking of important--where the hell has bentley been?? need the frenchman to bring some order to this chaos. 👆

I rescind my vote for Cap to low meta. He stays at high street. 👆

*takes the candy back*

Goob will have him in chains within the hour.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
If Cap is KK lite....

Hasn't Batman done pretty well against KK, WITHOUT using his gear? #justsaying

Karate Kid? Pfft. Is that, like, a space Batroc?

@DS85

And without using exotic fighting styles, either.

Just standard street fighting "gonna punch your stupid face", straight from Gotham City vin

And the other time, Bats wasn't even accustomed to anti-grav combat.

Discussion = Good.

Bickering = Bad.

Kindly stop.

As far as voting goes.

-Weather Wizard to high meta? Yes
-Mogo to high herald? Not sure, but my gut says no, so no vote from me.
-White Martians to mid herald? Yes
-Red Hulk [no energy absorbtion] to low-herald? Yes, sure.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
@DS85

And without using exotic fighting styles, either.

Just standard street fighting "gonna punch your stupid face", straight from Gotham City vin

And the other time, Bats wasn't even accustomed to anti-grav combat.

https://imgur.com/a/zJ5s4zX

He's taught in the wax on wax off school:
http://i.imgur.com/LOjzc66.jpg

*Moved Cap to LM.

I want everyone to remember that this list isn't meant to be an 'official' or 'irrefutable' source. It is just intended as a general measuring stick at best. It is always open for discussion to anyone at any time.

With that behind us...

Weather Wizard to high meta? Agree.
Mogo to high herald? Hmm, Mogo is really hard to gauge. In terms of sheer power output and whatnot, yeah I'd say he's generally at least HH.
White Martians to mid herald? Agree.
Static to high meta? Was thinking mid. Particular reason why you think high?
Red Hulk [no energy absorbtion] to low-herald? Agree.
Wiccan to low/mid herald? Defer.

Originally posted by Galan007
With that behind us...

Weather Wizard to high meta? Agree.
Mogo to high herald? Hmm, Mogo is really hard to gauge. In terms of sheer power output and whatnot, yeah I'd say he's generally at least HH.
White Martians to mid herald? Agree.
Static to high meta? Was thinking mid. Particular reason why you think high?
Red Hulk [no energy absorbtion] to low-herald? Agree.
Wiccan to low/mid herald? Defer.

For Static, I was taking Black Lightning as a point of reference.
Mogo is hard, yeah. The Black Lantern feat makes me almost not want to put him.

Makes sense.

Yeah the BL feat is ridiculously broken -- well beyond something I'd expect even in the trans tier. It also took Hal "God Will" Jordan...with the GL power gauntlet(which packs the power of a dozen rings)...to beat Mogo's GL gravity well.