KMC Comic Book Tiers

So where do you suggest putting Enchantress, Dynamo, Ursa, and Wolvie?

Originally posted by Galan007
So where do you suggest putting Enchantress, Dynamo, Ursa, and Wolvie?

Amora is hard to be measured, because of how specialized her love spells are. Physically (including her concussive blasts) she ain't all that. High meta, I guess?

The problem with Dynamo is that there have been too many people piloting too many suits. It's worse than with Grundies or Wendigos. One Russian can get torn to shreds by Archangel, other Russian will mock Stark's armor for being obsolete, even though it can last in a fight against black suit Namor.

If super strong Bane can be in HS, then I see no reason not to put Ursus there, too.

Wolverine - mid meta, honestly. Assuming he's at the level he was before Cornell depowered him.

As of now, we can't even be sure if it's one or more Wolverines running around in the current MU... nothing adds up.

yeah he makes a good point for ursa. he really is only just kinda strong. hs is more appropriate based on who we have there. cap would wreck him.

as far as the environment: like galan, i've always understood the default to be featureless, but i always thought it was a domed ring or arena. there wouldn't be plants, for example, or anything else that she or anyone could exploit. it gives shooters a pretty big advantage, and a bit of an unrealistic one as nowhere is 'featureless'.

should we add nathaniel richards to the list to be ranked? valeria? looking back at some of that material made me remember how cool ff was. lol

Nathaniel is tricky because of all his time-hopping shenanigans. Wouldn't know where to start with him.

If we rank Val completely on intelligence, she should be on par with Reed, imo.

Black Panther to MS ?

ha type Bane name in the search engine and looks what comes up. Anyways high streets to low metas have the least amount of separation among any tier groups it seems. But since these groups interest me, here what I've noticed.

Falcon is low meta but Cap is just high street. lol

Bane vs Bat/Azrael are matches that have gone either way or stalemated. Normally very competitive fights. Bane has dominated Croc and Manbat a huge majority of the time. I mentioned those b/c those are the ones that are in the LM tier that Bane has face. Don't know what more Bane can do and still not belong to that tier. Actually same go for Cap feats.

Nuke, Killer Croc, Tombstone, Hyde just to name a few are all there. So we leave out the much more accomplish "bricks" or "non versatile" for the lesser? To me it shows how Cap for instance does belong when he consistently beat people with better gear or better range attacks then him or more versatile like Gambit based on skills and stats.

Then its really not a tier but just who has the better tech .

Ka-Zar for high street because if nothing else he fights dinosaurs wearing just a cloth diaper.

what tier would H'el be put in?

Originally posted by leonidas
classic nova was only a class 10 dude who could fly pretty fast

Didn't we just vote on Blue Beetle [Jaime] to high meta? I'm having a deja-vu here.

i.e.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Sooo, to get this started, my proposals for the [b]meta-tier:

Up:

Cyborg (Vic) to high meta from mid-meta
Nova (Classic) to high-meta from mid-meta
Blue Beetle (Jaime Reyes) to high-meta from mid-meta
Morlun to high-meta from mid-meta
Ms. Marvel (Carol) to high-meta from mid-meta
Sebastian Shaw to high-meta from mid-meta
I'd think Multiple Man would also be a mid-meta, from low-meta.

Down:

Mr Fantastic to mid-meta from high-meta
Gamora to mid-meta from high-meta, maybe
Shang Chi to high-street
Imo, either Northstar/Aurora down to mid-meta, or Quicksilver to high-meta, unless we leave Quicksilver to "classic". [/B]

I think the other one was moved, but we voted on Jaime, no? They should be switched.

Elijah would freeze him entirely.
He'd never get past Booster Gold's shield, who could just contain him inside one, and just send him in space and whatnot. Cyclops could just hit him until there's nothing left. Then there's the likes of Electro, Terra, for which a good case can be made.
You bring up a good point about Thing, though...and bricks in general who'd face him. He'd be one of the highest mid-metas, while the Thing is one of the lowest mid-metas, imo. But if the rest think he should be high...

Originally posted by Galan007
So is everyone in agreement with these?:

Ka-Zar- MS
Conan- MS
Enchantress- LH
Crimson Dynamo- MM
Darkstar- MM
Wolverine- LM

Originally posted by Galan007
This is actually a great question that probably does need to be better-clarified in the CBvF Rules, tbh.

Personally, I had always thought of the default 'featureless environment' as, essentially, an empty void that doesn't have any inherent internal or external qualities that can be tampered with -- basically an environment that cannot be exploited to give any one character the advantage(similar to the Hyperbolic Time Chamber in DBZ, I guess... Just a blank slate.)

Maybe that's just me, though? Hadn't really given it much thought until now. /shrug

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Amora is hard to be measured, because of how specialized her love spells are. Physically (including her concussive blasts) she ain't all that. High meta, I guess?

I think we are voting for DC's Enchantress. At least, that's the one I proposed.

Originally posted by Phil
Didn't we just vote on Blue Beetle [Jaime] to high meta? I'm having a deja-vu here.

*Switched Jamie to HM.

Originally posted by Phil
Yes

Originally posted by Phil
I think we should make a 'general' environment, where certain people aren't at a disadvantage, so that we don't have to put special conditions in every thread "Hawksmoor in New York", "Ivy in a golf field", "Geo Force in the woods" etc. Like...a park in a city or something, I dunno. Just imo.

Originally posted by Phil
I think we are voting for DC's Enchantress. At least, that's the one I proposed.

@phil. I’m not sure what makes you think Classic nova (the whose enemy was diamondhead...) ranks above a cl10 brick. If you have some proof from his original series I’d be all for it. When he was with the warriors he became more though I don’t recall all the details. The first version was nothing special.

If you’re talking about booster bubbling someone there are low heralds who are f***** by that. Sandman can disperse himself widely though so not sure how big the forcefield can be. Electro fought him iirc and didn’t have success. I think anyway. Cyke’s blast would go right through him. If he takes off the visor and blasts a wider area and sandy was right in front of him sure. Standard starting distance? I don’t see that happening. Not in character and sandy could just spread out even wider and surround him. Don’t see cyke beating him often if at all.

Anyway I’m content to let the others decide.

If you have some proof from his original series I’d be all for it.

@Phil

My bad 👆

Don't know enough about DC Enchantress, so I trust you guys on this.

@phil--trust me, when the original list was being put together, that IS the version we intended. why? not sure. even in his early new warriors days he wasn't much more than that. it was through the nw that he grew in power.

there were def periods of time in nw that he would be hm, before he moved to the herald tier. not sure we need 3 versions of nova though. /shrug

just counted, number of trans tier
dc 27 - marvel 16
if counting all the pre-crisis krytonians and daxam as 1, counting all the elders as 1

high-herald tier
dc 26-marvel 7

counting all the probes as 1

Based on what I've seen with Encnahtress she could be low-herald or high-meta at least.

Did somebody say Black Panther for low street? Say no to drugs. Why is Shang Chi low-street?

Originally posted by leonidas
@phil--trust me, when the original list was being put together, that IS the version we intended. why? not sure. even in his early new warriors days he wasn't much more than that. it was through the nw that he grew in power.

there were def periods of time in nw that he would be hm, before he moved to the herald tier. not sure we need 3 versions of nova though. /shrug

He is mid-meta then, and he'd lose to Sandman. He...actually lost to Sandman, too.

With Blue Beetle up and only first series Nova in the mid-meta, I'd agree there's too few of them who'd beat him there [less than he'd beat in the high meta], so I change my vote to agreeing for him to move to high meta.

Originally posted by Galan007
Has a consensus been reached? Because I know Stilt had some different opinions about some of the placements.

So what's the score right now? Who needs to be added/moved?

Shang Chi for low-meta may post later on why. Also think we may have to create a Comic book discussion thread.

Shangi-Chi for low-meta just because he's not as impressive as Danny isn't a reason to bump him down that's like saying Silver Surfer should be bumped down because he's not as impressive as Thanos. It seems to me that apart from his martial arts skills he has a low level power that can be used in various means. However I think one issues is wether some of those feats are ones that can be replicated again and are considered to be a 'power' that he can be used in a forum setting.

Was gonna post more but meh.

EDIT:
Oh yea theres this

Originally posted by Digi
[b]Notes:

- "Street" generally refers to characters without powers, but not without exceptions. A skilled martial artist would likely be street. A skilled martial artist who can amp himself to metahuman levels would not. It is possible to be without a "power" and be above street (for an example: Karate Kid).
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but this of course

Originally posted by Digi

[b]Disclaimer:
As mentioned, this was created for a common forum vocabulary, and to give newer members a sense of the general area where certain characters are placed. Nothing more. Forum veterans and avid comic readers will likely disagree with certain placements, and this is expected. A perfect list cannot be made in comics, especially with so many differing opinions.

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