Can you handle the Truth?

Originally posted by Quark_666
I'm sure somebody will think of something.

You know, JIA, it wouldn't be blasphemy for you to just separate science and religion and quit worrying about whether they correlate with each other. To put it simply, you could accept that science is the study of evidence and religion is the study of truth. It allows you to study evidence and draw unbiased conclusions without sinning against God. Lots of good Christians manage it just fine.

The big EH wrote:

Originally posted by The big EH
do you even read othr peoplespost before saying theyare wrong? we've stated fifty millions times that stars were created when the big bang occured. and the bible definately does not suppr equalness as christany is known for it's stance on anything or anyone that believes different from them which is basically this "because you dont believe what i believe i'm going to kill you" which is the main reason i oppose religion.

another note i was thinking about what a very wise man said about Adam and Eve and i relized the Tree of Life and Tree of Knowledge re basicaly them saying if you play dumb and follow orders you'll live, if you become intellegent and disobey you'll die

In response to The big EH's statement that stars were created when the big bang ocurred (he states this as if it were a fact), I simply want to know what caused the big bang.

Originally posted by The big EH
so if you have faith that the Hurricane killed those bar people thats more important than the proof that says he didnt?

I'm only talking about religious faith within a religion.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The big EH wrote:

In response to The big EH's statement that stars were created when the big bang ocurred (he states this as if it were a fact), I simply want to know what [b]caused the big bang. [/B]

Instability.

What created the instability, you my ask? It was nothingness.

What created nothingness? Nothingness does not exist.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The big EH wrote:

In response to The big EH's statement that stars were created when the big bang ocurred (he states this as if it were a fact), I simply want to know what [b]caused the big bang. [/B]

and you state god creating the universe as a fact, dont be a hypocrite
and i will give you $20 if you can tell me exactly where this symbol comes from

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Instability.

What created the instability, you my ask? It was nothingness.

What created nothingness? Nothingness does not exist.

0 + 0 = 0

Nothing plus nothing equals nothing.

How can nothing produce something?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
0 + 0 = 0

Nothing plus nothing equals nothing.

How can [b]nothing produce something? [/B]

Because nothingness is unstable.

You should look up Vacuum energy.

Originally posted by The big EH
and as i've stated earlier it was various energies, atoms gasses whatever was there before it (we dont know) exploded, and created the universe, at first there was only space, dust and various atoms and gases, then they reacted with each other to create stars which then created more things and planets were born.

and you state god creating the universe as a fact, dont be a hypocrite
and i will give you $20 if you can tell me exactly where this symbol comes from

You all don't know? So...how can you extrapolate about something you know nothing about? (Bear with me.) Why state that "energies," "atoms," "gases," etc. existed then exploded when you haven't the foggiest notion of how it occurred?

Now, I must revert to your statement about space: what is the origin of "space" i.e. where did it come from?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Because nothingness is unstable.

You should look up Vacuum energy.

Where did the vacuum and its intrinsic energy originate?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Instability.

What created the instability, you my ask? It was nothingness.

What created nothingness? Nothingness does not exist.

we look for logical explanations in the universe, but in reality the universe is one step beyond logic

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Instability.

What created the instability, you my ask? It was nothingness.

What created nothingness? Nothingness does not exist.

Instability is a "something." Can you be more specific? What "kind" of instability?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
You all don't know? So...how can you extrapolate about something you know nothing about? (Bear with me.) Why state that "energies," "atoms," "gases," etc. existed then exploded when you haven't the foggiest notion of how it occurred?

Now, I must revert to your statement about space: what is the origin of "space" i.e. where did [B]it come from? [/B]

and on your comment about vacuum energy, where did god originate from?

Originally posted by The big EH
thats where the universe goes beond all logic no matter what you believe. there must have been something before our universe, whether it was remnants of a old one long since dead,or just gasses we dont know, what we do know is that it wasnt nothing as nothing cant trully exist. and what we do know is that something doesn't come from nothing, so something caused that stuff to be there in the first place, and it goes on and on, something always comes first. but how can something exist before anyhing existed.

we look for logical explanations in the universe, but in reality the universe is one step beyond logic

I beg to differ. I believe that God preceded all matter/energy as the First Cause. This is because He is eternal i.e. He has no beginning or end. This Spirit the Scriptures refer to as God exists outside the realm of space and time (in another dimension that is not subject to ours). This is how He was able to create the universe from the Word or breath of His mouth.

Too deep? Sorry.

Originally posted by The big EH
are you a complete tool incapable of thinking for himself??????
i stated that at first, after the big bang there was only space and some other particles, those particles react and formed stars.

and on your comment about vacuum energy, where did god originate from?

No, you stated that those energies, atoms, and gases caused the big bang. So, accordingly, I asked you what the origin of those energies, atoms, and gases were?

Now, you don't know what existed prior to the big bang?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
0 + 0 = 0

Nothing plus nothing equals nothing.

How can [b]nothing produce something? [/B]

Originally posted by The big EH
so god is an exception to this rule? thats the problem if there was some sort of reasoning other than "he is eternal therefore he has always and will alway be there" i might belive in gods, i just wish i could be there when you find out that go isnt real an you wasted life

Yes, God is the exception to this rule. The buck stops with Him.

Why does Truth have to be subject to your reasoning? Do you understand everything (in life) that is true? For example, think of something in school (either in the past or present) that you just don't get or comprehend no matter how many times it is explained to you. Does the fact that you don't understand something invalidate it or make it untrue? Can't you see that your reasoning or comprehension is irrelevant in that situation? Think of something right now that you don't understand and ask yourself is that circumstance, situation, event, or thing untrue just because you don't understand it.

Originally posted by The big EH
what we do know is that it wasnt nothing as nothing cant trully exist. and what we do know is that something doesn't come from nothing, so something caused that stuff to be there in the first place, and it goes on and on, something always comes first. but how can something exist before anyhing existed.

Well, that's wrong. Do you know why black holes evaporate?.....I'll answer it for you....

Something comes from nothing. 😉

originally posted by jesusisalive
Where did the vacuum and its intrinsic energy originate?

Originally posted by anaconda
between your ears, especially the first part of it

That was unnecessary.

GTFO if you cannot refrain from doing that.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Well, that's wrong. Do you know why black holes evaporate?.....I'll answer it for you....

Something comes from nothing. 😉

Uh...I believe that it is the other way around. Something becomes nothing (virtually), not comes from nothing. Stars supposedly burn out to form black holes.

Although in God's creative work something does come from nothing. God is the only one Who can create something from nothing.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Uh...I believe that it is the other way around. Something [b]becomes nothing (virtually), not comes from nothing. [/B]

I don't want to insult your intelligence by telling your are utterly wrong and posting a link because you get more than enough insults from here.

Without continuing our conversation further, please review the hows and whys of black hole evaporation. Once you have studied up on how something can come from nothing, then I expect you to admit fault...just as I would if the tables were turned. It is part of being a Christian to admit fault when wrong. Do you agree that it is Christ-like to swallow your pride and admit fault?

I do. This is why I apologize when I am wrong.